ChiGB1973
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ATA Recalling Pilots And FAs?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:43 pm

Heard it through the grapevine, so take it how you will.

150 FAs to be recalled.

45 pilots to be recalled.

TZ has secured 7 DC-10s.

I am just assuming that the pilots will have to go through training before all this happens. I have nothing official, but thought I would put it out there.

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Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:34 pm

The DC-10s are coming so this appears to be correct.
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Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:31 pm

honestly, where do u train for all these diffent types of type ratings?? i know most pilot training takes place in cessnes, chipmunks, seminoles and tiny aircraft but where do they train for 744, a380, etc
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RE: ATA Recalling Pilots And FAs?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:45 pm

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 2):
honestly, where do u train for all these diffent types of type ratings?? i know most pilot training takes place in cessnes, chipmunks, seminoles and tiny aircraft but where do they train for 744, a380, etc

Since these pilots are being recalled, they had probably previously been trained on and flew TZ's 737's. These ratings can come from a variety of places. Places like the PanAm Flight Academy train many pilots on the CRJ and ERJ and these pilots get jobs flying these types. As they gain experience, I would think the airline they work for will train them on the next type they will fly.
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Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:30 pm

I wonder where the DC-10's will be used. Troop deployments mainly?
 
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RE: ATA Recalling Pilots And FAs?

Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:20 pm

That is my question to Wedgetail737. Or are they going to open up some long-haul charters to Hawaii this winter?

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Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
I wonder where the DC-10's will be used. Troop deployments mainly?



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 4):
That is my question to Wedgetail737. Or are they going to open up some long-haul charters to Hawaii this winter?

Mainly for AMC troop charters, but with 7 active aircraft there will be additional commercial charter work as well. Also, I would not put it beyond the realm of possibility that we would see one on an ocassional scheduled flight. Over the last several years, L-1011s did this, though increasingly rare.
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Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:54 am

The DC-10s are an interim solution to provide lift for the military charter operation until a new widebody can be found (i.e. 767s). The L-1011s are old, expensive to maintain, and becoming more unreliable.
 
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Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:59 am

It's too bad ATA doesn't have the money to simply order additional 767's from Boeing.
 
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Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 7):
The DC-10s are an interim solution to provide lift for the military charter operation until a new widebody can be found (i.e. 767s). The L-1011s are old, expensive to maintain, and becoming more unreliable.

Yes, for about a 5 year timeframe until cheaper and more plentiful 763ERs are available, but will not be solely used for military charter. We have been aggressively pursuing additional commercial charter work as well. Some of the DC-10s will actually be older than the current 4 L-1011-500s, but will be much easier to support and maintain simply because Boeing still supports it and there are at least 6-7 times as many still operating (over 200) than L-1011s (fewer than 30).
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:28 pm

I would think that 7 DC-10 would require much more than 150 FAs and 45 Pilots. You need about 150 FAs per plane depending on frequency of use and maybe 24 pilots. If ATA did get the 9 (not 7) as it is being said, then they will be recalling a lot more and a lot faster as the planes are brought into the fleet. I heard (rumor) that it might me as soon as june of 2007 for the first one to be brought online..
 
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
It's too bad ATA doesn't have the money to simply order additional 767's from Boeing.

New build 767s would be too expensive, regardless of ATA's financial condition, to have on property for use in charter service. The capital cost of aircraft like that just sitting around during the periods that they *will* be sitting around would be just devastating. Even in good times and in heavy charter use, the "sit time" for aircraft on charter service, where you must plan to arrive early, is significantly higher than for sked service. Can you have a mix of new-ish high cost aircraft that you will use whenever you have a mission and then some older aircraft that you can afford to have sit? Sure. But if you're trying to build a common-ish fleet of a single-ish type, then you kinda have to pick new or old. The DC10s are a good stopgap, and we'll see what the 767 market looks like in 5 years.
 
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Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:10 am

Wonder if therse DC-10s are coming from NW since they are leaving the fleet. Wonder if they will be -10/-30/-50 models?
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Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:52 pm

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 12):
Wonder if these DC-10s are coming from NW since they are leaving the fleet. Wonder if they will be -10/-30/-50 models?

From:
N225NW DC10 Last Flight For NW (by Scouse Oct 27 2006 in Civil Aviation)#1

N225NW will be going to ATA (TZ) along with 223, 224, 226, 234, 235, 237, 241, and 242.

Any idea where they will base these ships? Sure there is IND, but there is no longer an F/A base there, not sure about flight deck crew.

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Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:44 am

Does anyone know when the DC-10's will enter service, and will we get the full ATA colors?
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Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 11):
New build 767s would be too expensive, regardless of ATA's financial condition, to have on property for use in charter service. The capital cost of aircraft like that just sitting around during the periods that they *will* be sitting around would be just devastating. Even in good times and in heavy charter use, the "sit time" for aircraft on charter service, where you must plan to arrive early, is significantly higher than for sked service. Can you have a mix of new-ish high cost aircraft that you will use whenever you have a mission and then some older aircraft that you can afford to have sit? Sure. But if you're trying to build a common-ish fleet of a single-ish type, then you kinda have to pick new or old. The DC10s are a good stopgap, and we'll see what the 767 market looks like in 5 years.

Right. The other thing to consider is that the 738 order is what did them in for good before...I don't they'll be too keen to order an entirely new aircraft.
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RE: ATA Recalling Pilots And FAs?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 12):
Wonder if therse DC-10s are coming from NW since they are leaving the fleet. Wonder if they will be -10/-30/-50 models?

They are all -30s when I looked up the registrations numbers from my other reply.

I have so many questions about this, but no answers. Guess I will just have to wait until I get a letter or a call from TZ. I am trying to keep my excitement in check.

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Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 2):
honestly, where do u train for all these diffent types of type ratings?? i know most pilot training takes place in cessnes, chipmunks, seminoles and tiny aircraft but where do they train for 744, a380, etc

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RE: ATA Recalling Pilots And FAs?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 12):
Wonder if therse DC-10s are coming from NW since they are leaving the fleet. Wonder if they will be -10/-30/-50 models?

Northwest never owned 10/50 models only the 30/40 models. The 40's disappeared years ago so they have to be 30's.
 
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RE: ATA Recalling Pilots And FAs?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:53 am

Maybe they can pick up some DC-9's too!
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