Chi-town
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Unusual Landing Procedure

Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:33 pm

I was aboard Southwest Flt. 260 MDW-DTW last week. We landed on Runway 21 R and the pilot slammed on the breaks. When we came to the intersection of 27R/9L the pilot suddenly turned the plane to the right half of the runway and then swung the aircraft into a complete 180 to the left. we were now turned around and were headed in the direction we just came in on. He then turned an immediate left onto the first taxi (shown on map) and then to gate A9 in the Berry Terminal.

I have never ever encountered a procedure like this before in all my years of flying. I thought this was quite dangerous especially with aircraft on final behind us (I dont know how large the spacing was).

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Has anyone ever had this happen to them before?
 
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RE: Unusual Landing Procedure

Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:55 pm

Well, Its never occurred to me before. Sometimes even i have to take certain measures to conform with ATC instructions. Theres a few reasons he could have done this:
1. ATC asked him to vacate the runway as soon as possible but he missed the taxiway. If you look at the airport on google earth, you can see there is runway 27/09 and its taxi way running parallel.
My guess is he missed this taxi way due to excessive speed so decided instead of going all the way to the taxiway about 500m down the runway, why not do a 180 and get off on his original planned taxiway. This theory only works if the gate u refer to is the northwest terminal.

2. Sometimes they may try to get to the terminal asap for flight duty times, cost factors, the A/C may have been delayed (you might know abt that).

hope that helps
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RE: Unusual Landing Procedure

Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:11 pm

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
I have never ever encountered a procedure like this before in all my years of flying. I thought this was quite dangerous especially with aircraft on final behind us (I dont know how large the spacing was).

ATC would have had to tell him to "back taxi" and exit at a certain intersection. It could be for various reasons, but I wouldn't be too concerned about how dangerous it was due to spacing. As far as I know, a "back taxi" instruction, or clearance would be needed from ATC.

I see this quite often at SAN. Because of the single taxiway (taxiway B) parallel to the runway, traffic jams are common. A lot of times when United pushes out onto "B", if a WN aircraft misses the exit in front of the WN gates, they will back taxi back to that exit they missed instead of waiting behind the United plane before it can head to the gate. This only happens if there is enough time between arriving traffic to safely do so.
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RE: Unusual Landing Procedure

Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
was aboard Southwest Flt. 260 MDW-DTW last week. We landed on Runway 21 R and the pilot slammed on the breaks. When we came to the intersection of 27R/9L the pilot suddenly turned the plane to the right half of the runway and then swung the aircraft into a complete 180 to the left.

Does WN allow ofr LAHSO clearances? If so, maybe he took a LAHSO clearance, with a backtaxi like Silver1 said, so that dpearting traffic on the intersecting runways could be accomodated.
 
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RE: Unusual Landing Procedure

Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
Has anyone ever had this happen to them before?

Ever flown into Green Bay? It's back taxi central.
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jnj561
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RE: Unusual Landing Procedure

Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:22 am

27R-9L is not used as a runway currently - it is used as a taxi way so it wouldn't be an issue of LAHSO.
 
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RE: Unusual Landing Procedure

Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:26 am

thanks for the input guys. it just suprised me since ive never done that before
 
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RE: Unusual Landing Procedure

Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
I thought this was quite dangerous especially with aircraft on final behind us (I dont know how large the spacing was).

You thought it was "quite dangerous" then proceed to tell us you had no idea how close the aircraft behind was...if there even was one. Back taxi is a normal everyday procedure, done at the request of, or with the approval of ATC.

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
he pilot slammed on the breaks

The breaks....would those be the brakes?
 
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RE: Unusual Landing Procedure

Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting Jnj561 (Reply 5):
27R-9L is not used as a runway currently

How comes?
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RE: Unusual Landing Procedure

Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 3):
Does WN allow ofr LAHSO clearances? If so, maybe he took a LAHSO clearance, with a backtaxi like Silver1 said, so that dpearting traffic on the intersecting runways could be accomodated.

That would have been my guess as well, at least from what is sounds like...
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RE: Unusual Landing Procedure

Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:28 am

On a related note, I was on a late night flight into IND about 5 years ago (either AA or NW) and on final at IND. At between 500 and 1000 feet AGL, we executed a 360, using between 35 and 45 degrees of bank. At this point we were probably no more than a couple miles from the airport. Many of the passengers were looking around at the other passengers, worried. The people next to me asked me (knowing I'm a pilot), if there was something wrong. Of course there wasn't, but I was very curious why the cappy whipped her around like that. As we were filiing out, I lagged behind and asked one of the pilots. He said that they were too fast, had to bleed off speed before landing. It made sense, because we had a ridiculously long straight in visual thast night. Anyway, it was a pretty fun.