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Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:23 pm

A flight from Madrid to Palma de Mallorca on Air Madrid converted into a nightmare for the passengers..
Since weather did not allow a landing in PMI,the plane landed on the neighbouring island of Menorca.But persistent fog made the plane leave for Valencia,where a lack of hotel-rooms obliged the passengers to stay onboard overnight !!!!!
After another trip via Madrid and Ibiza the passengers finally arrived in PMI after 20 hours...
Not a great publicity for Air Madrid,who has been in the press several times due to shortage of aircraft,delays and other incidents.


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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:31 pm

Oh the joys of Air Madrid  Wink

I'm suprised they had to stay on board overnight, any idea what the aircraft was?

I once tried booking a flight from BCN to MAD on Air Madrid, they tried flying me via BOG  Yeah sure  Wink

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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:50 pm

This airline, could be the World's worst airline. At least it's within European Union.

And José Luis Carrillo, Air Madrid's CEO says "Estamos sufriendo la mala propaganda que se nos está haciendo de una forma intencionada" (We suffer a deliberate bad press)

If you can speak Spanish try this, an "interview" with this guy:
http://www.aeropuertosarg.com.ar/losforos/index.php?topic=5525.0
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:51 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
once tried booking a flight from BCN to MAD on Air Madrid, they tried flying me via BOG

Wow......sometimes I wonder i fthere's any room for surprises in this world, until this kind of things comes up. On the other hand, if you run with some luck, it could be faster going thru BOG........you never know with NM.

NM has indeed gone through a huge load of bad publicity this lasts weeks, and theres a few threads on this forum on some incidents, including flights to BOG and EZE.

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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 2):
This airline, could be the World's worst airline. At least it's within European Union.

No, it could not be. It is one of the worst airlines in the World.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 2):
José Luis Carrillo, Air Madrid's CEO says "Estamos sufriendo la mala propaganda que se nos está haciendo de una forma intencionada"

I think we all know that's total BS. The only bad publicity NM has comes from themselves and their screwed up flight operations.
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:53 pm

To add to the problems... I just came back from Barcelona yesterday and read in the paper that one of Air Madrid's flights from BCN-EZE has been delayed since Friday and the passengers have been sleeping at the airport. As of yesterday(Sunday) they still did not know when the flight would operate.
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 5):
one of Air Madrid's flights from BCN-EZE has been delayed since Friday and the passengers have been sleeping at the airport. As of yesterday(Sunday) they still did not know when the flight would operate.

That's illegal. Why hasn't NM provided compensation for those passengers as according to EU regulations?

I know they have a record for not complying with the EU compensation policy, but nevertheless.
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:58 am

Ha ha ha... I was thinking to start a thread asking whether their plans to start ops in GUA would see the light soon, but given their recent (and not-so-recent... nah, make it permanent) delays, I guess it's more likely to see the A380 land here than have NM start a well-run operation.

As much as I would love an increase in service to Europe, methinks we're better off without them...

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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:16 am

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 5):
I just came back from Barcelona yesterday and read in the paper that one of Air Madrid's flights from BCN-EZE has been delayed since Friday and the passengers have been sleeping at the airport. As of yesterday(Sunday) they still did not know when the flight would operate.

They are still in Spain waiting for a flight to EZE with a delay of over 60 hours.

In the news once again:

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/167440/0/retrasos/air/madrid/

By the way, yesterday there was a post of a.net user TACAA320, he said that a niece would take an Air Madrid's SJO-MAD flight today........well the plane has not even left Madrid Airport (bound for SJO) and has already a delay of almost 8 hours.
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:22 am

I have a colleague who is supposed to fly to SCL in december with NM... He told me he wasn't risking the ID stand-by tickets with his family (he's airline employee). I would risk a stand-by ZED ticket rather than flying with NM personally...


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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 8):
he said that a niece would take an Air Madrid's SJO-MAD flight today........well the plane has not even left Madrid Airport (bound for SJO) and has already a delay of almost 8 hours.

This "airline" is a shame for our country. Aviación Civil must do something right now. Tomorrow could be too late.

By the way, NM has been watched today in TV news in all Spanish Channels. Fortunately people start to know this airline.
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:51 am

Today's [10/30] flight 811 from MAD, that is scheduled to leave back [as NM 812] around 16,00 hours, has a huge delay. My nice [she's leaving to Valencia] was advised by NM [by phone] not to show yet at the airport.

If somebody knows something about such flight please let me know at hjgcr@aol.com

I will appreciate so much [NM's offices here are impossible to reach].

Thanks in advance.
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 11):
Today's [10/30] flight 811 from MAD, that is scheduled to leave back [as NM 812] around 16,00 hours, has a huge delay.

Is there still a possibility for her to be re-booked on IB? If not for today's flight, then at least for the nonstop IB6310 flight SJO-MAD.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 11):
I will appreciate so much [NM's offices here are impossible to reach].

And what's worse: SJO doesn't even have a website, so you cannot watch the departures/arrivals and whether they're late or not.
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 11):
Today's [10/30] flight 811 from MAD, that is scheduled to leave back [as NM 812] around 16,00 hours, has a huge delay. My nice [she's leaving to Valencia] was advised by NM [by phone] not to show yet at the airport.

If somebody knows something about such flight please let me know at hjgcr@aol.com

NM811 departed at 20.48 this afternoon (scheduled departure was 11.00), so expect a delay of 10 hours.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
SJO doesn't even have a website

I thought that Alterra Partners website was the official SJO's site, offering arrivals and departures:

http://www.alterra.co.cr/fiws/
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 13):
I thought that Alterra Partners website was the official SJO's site, offering arrivals and departures:

http://www.alterra.co.cr/fiws/

Thanks. I've been trying to find one for ages, yet came up empty every time.

BTW: NM812 has been cancelled for today.
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Is there still a possibility for her to be re-booked on IB?

Unfortunately there is no possibility to re-book with IB. Her group [seven in total] is expecting to leave tomorrow [10/31] at 15:00 hours.

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 13):
NM811 departed at 20.48 this afternoon (scheduled departure was 11.00), so expect a delay of 10 hours.

THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR INTEREST AND ANSWERS !
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 13):
NM811 departed at 20.48 this afternoon (scheduled departure was 11.00), so expect a delay of 10 hours.

One correction, took the wrong information from AENA's website, departure of NM0811 is now re-scheduled for tomorrow at 08.40 (which does not mean that this will be the actual departure time).

You can follow departure times at http://www.aena.es of any Spanish airport.

Passengers in Madrid will probably stay once again at the Hotel Auditorium, next to the airport. Almost every day hundreds of passengers stay there due to the constant delays and cancellations of Air Madrid's flights.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 15):
THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR INTEREST AND ANSWERS !

You are welcome.
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:51 am

Yes NM811 is cancelled, I just opened up a topic about this, but I just found you were talking about it in the PMI one, so many NM topics here, I wonder why Big grin.

Any ideas on the equipment for tomorrow, and if you said previously that it departed, that means that if had to return or land and was cancelled, if its in tomorrow it could make a run to SJO, I've got free the rest of the week.

Cheers!
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:28 am

They have "lost" two aircraft, their A310-300 has been taken back by the lessor and their A340-300 is currently grounded for unknown reasons. So it looks like they are yet again trying to operate their full flight schedule with a way too small fleet.
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 18):
They have "lost" two aircraft, their A310-300 has been taken back by the lessor and their A340-300 is currently grounded for unknown reasons. So it looks like they are yet again trying to operate their full flight schedule with a way too small fleet.

Wow, I didn't know they "lost" D-AIDH, now its even worse.

Correct me please but about 2 weeks ago this was the status of their fleet:

EC-JIS (A343) Grounded
EC-JQT (A319) Grounded
EC-JQU (A319) Flying
EC-JMF (A333) Grounded
EC-IYB (A332) Already seen flying last week, was Grounded 2 weeks ago
EC-IYN (A332) Flying, grounded about 3-4 weeks ago
EC-JTB (A333) Not had any major problems yet, this is the ex. LTU aircraft recived not so long ago
EMB-145 which I don't know the reg of (Grounded due to damage)
SE-REB (A332) was re-possed by Novair (A332)
CRJ-200 I think has dissappeared from their fleet

They are supposed to be operating a couple of leased Air Memphis A320's to pick up stranded passengers in TLC, they were also leasing 2X 763 and 1X L1011 from Euro Atlantic Airways and they have so far only given back one 763, still with the 763 and L1011.

Clearly a big mess, aint it guys?

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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 18):
their A310-300 has been taken back by the lessor

LH was operating their aircraft for NM under a wetlease, right? And when did the aircraft get re-posessed?

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 19):
EC-JIS (A343) Grounded
EC-JQT (A319) Grounded
EC-JQU (A319) Flying
EC-JMF (A333) Grounded
EC-IYB (A332) Already seen flying last week, was Grounded 2 weeks ago
EC-IYN (A332) Flying, grounded about 3-4 weeks ago
EC-JTB (A333) Not had any major problems yet, this is the ex. LTU aircraft recived not so long ago
EMB-145 which I don't know the reg of (Grounded due to damage)
SE-REB (A332) was re-possed by Novair (A332)
CRJ-200 I think has dissappeared from their fleet

So basically, they're only flying longhauls with three A330s. With their overambitious network, that's total overkill.

Anyone know why EC-JMF and EC-JIS are AOG?
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Is there still a possibility for her to be re-booked on IB? If not for today's flight, then at least for the nonstop IB6310 flight SJO-MAD.

Unfortunately, as far as I know, we do not have any type of ticketing agreement with NM so if NM was to rebook her on IB...they would have to pay for a regular ticket for her which most likely wont happen.
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):
Anyone know why EC-JMF and EC-JIS are AOG?

I am almost certain they have damaged engines, JIS was the one who had to to the emergency landing at Cape Verde right? I am almost certain its because of this.

To my knowledge, this year they have had to have replacment engines sent out to:

Quito for an A332 which had a compressor stall during take off
Ezeiza for I think another A332 which had a bird strike

The're probably more but only those two come to mind.

Further on with NM811 MAD-SJO, any one want to confirm what aircraft and at what time they are coming in tomorrow, high chance I will visit SJO for a couple of hours.

Cheers!
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:24 pm

Am I the only one who never had any problems with Air Madrid? I flew seven times with them already...
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:59 pm

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 22):
Further on with NM811 MAD-SJO, any one want to confirm what aircraft and at what time they are coming in tomorrow, high chance I will visit SJO for a couple of hours.

The only info I got through www.aena.es is that NM811 already left Barajas and it's expected to arrive at SJO around 12:00 p.m. [more than 27 hours delay].  Sad
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:28 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 24):
The only info I got through www.aena.es is that NM811 already left Barajas and it's expected to arrive at SJO around 12:00 p.m. [more than 27 hours delay].  Sad

Yes, EC-IYB is in route form MAD and its ETA is 1330 local time, lets hope she doesn't get delayed anymore.

Cheers!
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:34 pm

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 21):
Unfortunately, as far as I know, we do not have any type of ticketing agreement with NM so if NM was to rebook her on IB...they would have to pay for a regular ticket for her which most likely wont happen.

So I guess she'd be SOL either way, right?
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:04 am

Hey, my friend went today to the airport for the final leg of a TLC-MAD-TLC and they flight was cancelled. They offered her Air Europa to CUN and then some airline (they didn´t know whichone) to MEX. When she got to talk to an Air Madrid agent, the Air Europa flight was already full (every other passenger infront of her took that option). Then they offered Air Madrid to San Jose, Costa Rica, and then another airline to MEX, but she declined. So she is spending a couple of days (until saturday) in hotel Auditorium. She prefered this option as she doesn´t believe Air Madrid anymore. The good part is that she got an extra couple of days in Madrid (she just finish school). But she just told me everyone at the airport is so mad at the airline.

Why don´t the cancel one route and start putting the rest in order with what they have (airplanes) and sendind passengers for that route to nearby countries and then conecting them. this would be cheaper and also would put its operations back into order. Well, just a thought!
 
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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:11 am

Air Madrid is a joke. Every day they have long delays. Just today flight NM 1213 originally scheduld to land at EZE at 01:45 am is now estimated to arrive ar 15:22 ... only 14 hours later! And these sort of delays have been constant in the past weeks. How can these guys keep on flying is incredible.
Oh, and yesterday's flight NM 1211 scheduled at 22:50 arrived today at 09:33

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RE: Air Madrid- 20 Hours For MAD-PMI....

Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 25):
EC-IYB is in route form MAD and its ETA is 1330 local time, lets hope she doesn't get delayed anymore.

Oh, add 4 hours to that now, ETA is 1735 local with subject to a further delay.

Totally riddiculous, her delay is of 1 day and 2.5 hours and counting, what a mess.

Cheers!
Tomas.