bolu340
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Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:12 pm

It has been confirmed today. Lufthansa will start flying 3 times a week with Summer schedule 07 MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN with A343.

Great news for MUC and there is more to come......
 
HB-IWC
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:43 pm

Although the South Korean market is very mature as it is and by far not as booming as the Chinese domestic and international markets, Busan seems to be a emerging center of commerce so the start of services there by Lufthansa doesn't really come as a surprise. Also interesting to see that the airline continue to pioneer its secondary hub in the opening of entirely new longhaul destinations, as it has done multiple times before as with Guangzhou (now served from Frankfurt) and Charlotte.

I seem to remember that Lufthansa was looking at serving Mumbair from its MUC hub, although those plans might very well have changed giving the increasing competition and saturation of the Europe-India routes.
 
UpperDeck79
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:58 pm

I'd love to see the schedule.

They won't have traffic rights for the domestic sector, right?
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HB-IWC
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:12 pm

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 2):
I'd love to see the schedule

There are some scheduling options, but I wouldn't be surprised if the flight were to operate according to a double overnight operational pattern, with an evening departure from MUC and afternoon arrivals in ICN and later BUS. Return will likely occur in the late hours of the evening from ICN and make for a very early arrival in MUC. Something like this:

MUC - 2130
ICN - 1500
ICN - 1630
BUS - 1730

BUS - 2130
ICN - 2230
ICN - 0000
MUC - 0500
 
sr176
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:07 pm

What comes to me a bit as a surprise is that the new flight does not connect with the FRA flight to form a mini-hub. On the other hand it looks as this is the first night flight from ICN to Europe. Surely interesting for business travellers.
 
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:26 pm

Quoting Sr176 (Reply 4):
What comes to me a bit as a surprise is that the new flight does not connect with the FRA flight to form a mini-hub. On the other hand it looks as this is the first night flight from ICN to Europe. Surely interesting for business travellers.

HB-IWC was just guessing. It should definitely connect with the FRA flight at ICN so that the ICN-BUS sector wouldn't fly 3/4 empty.
AY and ANA rock!
 
HB-IWC
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:34 pm

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 5):
It should definitely connect with the FRA flight at ICN so that the ICN-BUS sector wouldn't fly 3/4 empty

Not necessarily true. When Lufthansa started Guangzhou, the MUC PVG CAN flight did also not connect with the existing FRA PVG pattern. Rather Lufthansa chose to offer a flight at a totally different time of the day so as to offer additional choice to its customers, not to mention the option of an overnight westbound flight. I'm guessing that the same might happen with the ICN BUS setup. There is no need to guarantee connectivity with the FRA flight at ICN, as MUC is a full blown hub with enought connectivity to support such a flight.
 
Coronado990
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:46 am

Somehow it gives me hope that LH would start a flight like this. It may indicate they are willing to do the same for somewhere like...let's say SAN!!!
Uncle SAN at your service!
 
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 7):
Somehow it gives me hope that LH would start a flight like this. It may indicate they are willing to do the same for somewhere like...let's say SAN!!!

Here, here!  Smile I second that idea!

Prior to the much-anticipated arrival of the 787, this is a great way to serve markets that can't provide the numbers, due either to market size or operational limitations, to sustain n/s service on their own.

Keep thinking "tag-ons", LH!

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san747
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
Prior to the much-anticipated arrival of the 787, this is a great way to serve markets that can't provide the numbers, due either to market size or operational limitations, to sustain n/s service on their own.

Keep thinking "tag-ons", LH!

I would definitely love to see that happen at SAN, the real question is: can it actually be done? I've heard tag-ons aren't so attractive to many airlines anymore because of staffing- you'd have to keep a crew based at the intermediate point just for the one flight...

I'm sure it works for ICN, because they already fly there, so maybe LH could pull off a Germany-XXX-SAN flight if they pick XXX to be somewhere they already fly... PDX? JFK? DFW? DEN?
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 9):
I'm sure it works for ICN, because they already fly there, so maybe LH could pull off a Germany-XXX-SAN flight if they pick XXX to be somewhere they already fly... PDX? JFK? DFW? DEN?

Or re-instate PHX. Make a few folks happy over there as well I bet.
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:13 am

I'm very surprised... Of all new destinations to be started by Lufthansa, Pusan wouldn't have even made it in my top 10 guesses... I would have thought Nanjing, Karachi, Colombo, Dacca, Dakar, Rio, Bogota, Lima, Guadalajara, Phoenix, Seattle, Las Vegas, San Diego, Calgary, Edmonton, Fukuoka, Sapporo... I would have even put Harare and Windhoek ahead of Pusan... OK so that makes 18 guesses!!! Geez, I would have even put Santiago, Nairobi and Dar Es Salam, as complements to LX, before BUS...

Good for them!!! I'm looking forward to checking out how the route will perform. Any codeshare with Asiana by any chance?

PS: HB-IWC... Where have you been?
 
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:07 pm

This new Lufthansa flights go to 5 times a week from winter 07/08.
Later Lufthansa plans daily flights on this route.
 
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
MUC - 2130
ICN - 1500
ICN - 1630
BUS - 1730

BUS - 2130
ICN - 2230
ICN - 0000
MUC - 0500

IATA code for Pusan/Busan is actually PUS, BUS is Batumi, Georgia
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fly2yyz
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:25 am

Its too bad this flight cannot operate a triangle: MUC-ICN-BUS-MUC

Wonder how this flight will do, hopefully well!
 
Qazar
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:10 pm

LH network in the Far East:

From Frankfurt - 20 cities:
Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, Seoul, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Ho Chi Minh City, Manila, Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Kolkatta.

From Munich - 7 cities:
Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, Seoul, Pusan, Delhi

Am I forgetting something? I think LH's operations out of MUC is larger than most European national airlines.

What do you think their next Asian expansion will take them?
 
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:16 pm

Quoting Qazar (Reply 15):
What do you think their next Asian expansion will take them?

Chengdu, Dalian (or Shenyang) has been on the radar list for a while. Chinese media already reporting Lufthansa will launch Chengdu flight when LH only sent delegates to examine the possibility.
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UpperDeck79
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:49 pm

Quoting Qazar (Reply 15):
From Munich - 7 cities:
Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, Seoul, Pusan, Delhi

Am I forgetting something? I think LH's operations out of MUC is larger than most European national airlines.

At least not larger than AY's from HEL  Smile :

Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Delhi, Singapore, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur (from May 2007).
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:02 pm

Dalian? really? I'm really curious about this, I'd love to see it! However, I'd think Qingdao would be ahead of Dalian? But surely cities such as Chengdu (especially in light of KLM's recent success with Chengdu-AMS) and Shenyang, will see service before the aforementioned coastal cities. though I'd put Nanjing towards the bottom of the 'likelihood' list, mostly due to its proximity to the Shang.
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:26 am

Great news !

Quoting Flymunich (Reply 12):
This new Lufthansa flights go to 5 times a week from winter 07/08.
Later Lufthansa plans daily flights on this route.

How did you know before that these flights would start ??? Heck, welcome to my RU list !
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
jimyvr
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 18):
Dalian? really? I'm really curious about this, I'd love to see it! However, I'd think Qingdao would be ahead of Dalian?

Never heard any news about Qingdao being eyed by any european carriers.
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HB-IWC
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RE: Lufthansa MUC-SEOUL-PUSAN Summer 07

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
There are some scheduling options, but I wouldn't be surprised if the flight were to operate according to a double overnight operational pattern, with an evening departure from MUC and afternoon arrivals in ICN and later BUS. Return will likely occur in the late hours of the evening from ICN and make for a very early arrival in MUC. Something like this:

MUC - 2130
ICN - 1500
ICN - 1630
BUS - 1730

BUS - 2130
ICN - 2230
ICN - 0000
MUC - 0500



Quoting Sr176 (Reply 4):
What comes to me a bit as a surprise is that the new flight does not connect with the FRA flight to form a mini-hub. On the other hand it looks as this is the first night flight from ICN to Europe. Surely interesting for business travellers.



Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 5):
HB-IWC was just guessing. It should definitely connect with the FRA flight at ICN so that the ICN-BUS sector wouldn't fly 3/4 empty.

Well, the schedules for the new flight have now been announced, and it seems as if I was right by predicting that the flight would operate according to a double overnight operational pattern (so completely different from the existing daily FRA ICN service). Here are the schedules:

LH718 MUC ICN 2130 1510 - A343 Mon/Thu/Sat
LH718 ICN PUS 1610 1715 - A343 Tue/Fri/Sun

LH719 PUS ICN 2140 2250 - A343 Tue/Fri/Sun
LH719 ICN MUC 0020 0530 - A343 Mon/Wed/Sat

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