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TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:50 am

Just in. TAM order 4x 777-300ER.

Its significance goes beyond money considering TAM is All Airbus customer.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ogy/2003333328_webboeing77731.html

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:52 am

Quoting Sq212 (Thread starter):
Its significance goes beyond money considering TAM is All Airbus customer.

Agreed completely. This is a small order in numbers, but this is an enormously significant move for Boeing as it gets their foot in the door with TAM, one of the best-run and fastest-growing airlines in Latin America, and the world.
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:56 am

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!

FLY TAM ! ! !  praise   praise   praise   praise 

Incredible news Big grin *BIG THUMBS UP*
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:00 am

Didn't TAM order the 350 also? Seems odd that they would order T7 unless they are losing confidence that they are going to get the 350 in a reasonable amount of time.. could Airbus really be letting the ball drop like this?
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:03 am

This is why they get some M11 with a marvellous deal from Boeing !

One more reason to fly TAM, now with Boeing 777-300ER !

Fantastic!

And for those who think Tam international expansion is too slow... again, some new emotions. Their fleet of widebodies will be now 20 (16 A332, 4 773) excluding their A350 deal.

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:08 am

So it's 4 773 + 4 options for 773 + 3 interim MD11..

I got a feeling Boeing is going to be working hard to move some 738 and 787 into the TAM lineup too.. This could be really fantastic..
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:12 am

Music for my ears!!! Way to go TAM!!! Go B777!!!

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
Didn't TAM order the 350 also? Seems odd that they would order T7 unless they are losing confidence that they are going to get the 350 in a reasonable amount of time.. could Airbus really be letting the ball drop like this?

It seems pretty obvious this is a vote of no confidence for Airbus and the A350. I suspect most of the original A350 customers will be taking a serious look at their options given the uncertainty and lack of focus with the A350 program and the unprecedented delays with the A380. Some of those airlines are going to take a pass on Airbus this time around.
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:20 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 7):
It seems pretty obvious this is a vote of no confidence for Airbus and the A350

To say the least of the A346...

A small order of 4 units would magnify the commonality savings of the A346 versus an all-new type, and market fuel prices are going down.
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:21 am

I would guess this is perhaps the first step in dumping the A350 order. After all, the 777 is actually available to fly customers. The A350, well...
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:21 am

A shocker. But it seems unlikely a 773ER competitor will be delivered before 2015 with the ways thing are going. It doesn't make sense as it shouldn't take 9 years to develop an aircraft, but Airbus does things really slow.

Now I don't think 737s are likely. But 787s might be.
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:28 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 10):
A shocker. But it seems unlikely a 773ER competitor will be delivered before 2015 with the ways thing are going. It doesn't make sense as it shouldn't take 9 years to develop an aircraft, but Airbus does things really slow.

Congrats to TAM and Boeing.. checkmark 

IIRC, the A359XWB was supposed to be the first to fly around 2014-2015.....the A350-1000xwb probably wouldn't hit the market for another year..that's a good decade away..

I'm still curious about the "final" specs of the A350XWB... scratchchin ...
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
I'm still curious about the "final" specs of the A350XWB...

I guess the fact that the airlines - and, as it seems, Airbus - are still waiting for them didn't hurt Boeing get this sale...

Congrats to Boeing, this certainly is a good win for them.
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:31 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 5):
I got a feeling Boeing is going to be working hard to move some 738 and 787 into the TAM lineup too.. This could be really fantastic..

I don't think so, TAM is more than happy with their A318 A319 and A320, they have been ordering more and more of the type.

The 787 well that is another game, and who knows maybe in the future TAM will have an all Airbus narrow body fleet and an all Boeing wide body, everything is possible

[Edited 2006-11-01 02:48:12]
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 12):
I guess the fact that the airlines - and, as it seems, Airbus - are still waiting for them didn't hurt Boeing get this sale...

Hopefully we'll know in the next few weeks.....
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:39 am

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
Hopefully we'll know in the next few weeks.....

I certainly agree with that!!! As much as I know about the technical/economical advantages of the B777, as a passenger, I'm quite far away from being a fan of it... but currently, it's really difficult to get past the overall value the plane offers to its operators.
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:48 am

I will defintely fly TAM because of this. Great airline with a great reptuation.

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 16):
I certainly agree with that!!! As much as I know about the technical/economical advantages of the B777, as a passenger, I'm quite far away from being a fan of it... but currently, it's really difficult to get past the overall value the plane offers to its operators.

Well...I'll just have to disagree with you on the "passenger end"... Wink

That being said, this is a segment Airbus cannot afford to miss out on...If Airbus never created the A380, they would still have been fine, but if Airbus misses out on this..they are in BIG trouble...!

There is no way in bloody 'ell Airbus can compete by selling A32X's, some A330's and A380's.....
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:58 am

A surprise order indeed, without even a peep of it on ANet! Interesting  

But I see no need for TAM to replace the A332s anytime soon. the aircraft is perfect for the routes it flies and developing new ones. It's still a very efficient plane and still quite popular as a new-aircraft purchase. TAM can aford to wait and see on the 787s operating performance, by which time the final A350 specs should (MAYBE) be available and, god forbid, even launched!!!

But a significant win for Boeing, with TAM shaping up to be the new national airline of Brazil.

[Edited 2006-11-01 02:59:09]
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:10 am

From Boeing's release:

Quote:
The fuel-efficient 777-300ER is the world's largest long-range twin-engine jetliner and is capable of carrying approximately 370 passengers in TAM's three-class configuration

370 pax  crowded  that's pretty shocking.

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:14 am

And here is from TAM

http://www.b2i.us/external.asp?b=1214&id=32766&from=du&L=e

Confirmed to be received in 2008.

Huge improvement for any of their routes from A332 (213 pax) to 773 (370 pax) !

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 20):

370 pax  crowded  that's pretty shocking.

You think that's bad...try EK's 427 pax 77W... spin 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:22 am

Let the battle begin... what is TP going to do to compete? the 773ER is largest plane from Brazil to LIS. A significant expansion... top it off with great economics... roomier and most likely a better biz class offering than the old beat up A340 from TP.

TP needs to step up to the plate or their market share will drop. TP should have gone with the 787/777 when they had the chance.

[Edited 2006-11-01 03:32:17]
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 20):
370 pax    that's pretty shocking.

No galleys, no restrooms… way to go.

I'd really love to fly on this Boeing.
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 24):
Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 20):
370 pax that's pretty shocking.

No galleys, no restrooms… way to go.

Air France's Caraibes/Océan Indien configuration has 472 seats - though, admittedly, not in a F/C/Y config, but a C/Y+/Y config.

http://www.airfrance.us/common/image.../en/B777300_coi_472pax_maxi_en.gif

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 23):
Let the battle begin... what is TP going to do to compete? the 773ER is largest plane from Brazil to LIS. A significant expansion... top it off with great economics... roomier and most likely a better biz class offering than the old beat up A340 from TP.

That doesn't even deserve a response...  Yeah sure ... just a hint: JJ does not serve LIS...
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:50 am

Is TAM evaluating the 787 at all? Do they have an on going requirement or will they cancel the A350 order in favor of the 787?
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:53 am

This is EXCELLENT news. These are brand new right? Does anyone know when in 2008? and what routes? I love 777s. Go TAM!
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:57 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 25):
That doesn't even deserve a response... Yeah sure ... just a hint: JJ does not serve LIS...

haha...sorry.. thanks for the correction... I thought they always did...
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:09 pm

Ok, great news and stuff but... there are 3 M11s going to fleet in a few months.
Where would these planes be used? The 2nd GRU-JFK is a daylight, so there is one but... again

Even if the so called GIG-CDG and GRU-MXP were daylights, one aircraft is not enought to fly (11+ flying time each direction each plus ground time). Not to mention GIG-MIA (100% doable with one aircraft if is a daylight, not a redeye).

I'd bet my cards on day light GIG-MIA, but what about the single M11 left?

What do you think?
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 29):
Not to mention GIG-MIA (100% doable with one aircraft if is a daylight, not a redeye).

I'd bet my cards on day light GIG-MIA, but what about the single M11 left?

Rumours is that MIA-GIG will now be 2x daily (maybe not at launch, but most likley by summer 2007). A daily redeye and a daily daylight flight, so it will use two aircraft. The daylight will operate via Northeast Brazilian cities.
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 20):
370 pax crowded that's pretty shocking.

Not really that bad for a 773ER... less than what EK fits.

Boeing's standard "in-house" configuration is 360 seats. Airbus claims 380 for the smaller A346.

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 24):
No galleys, no restrooms… way to go.

Uhh.. not hardly.
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:33 pm

Are the MD-11s former Varig birds? Where are they coming from? Congrats to TAM and Boeing on this order with a great customer!  Big grin
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 31):
Not really that bad for a 773ER... less than what EK fits.

And even less than the up to 500+ PAX NH and JL cram in their domestic 773As.  Wink

I know there were rumours of JJ ordering or leasing 772ERs, but their 77W order certainly comes as a major surprise to me. That's a huge leap in terms of capacity. I could certainly see them eventually flying GRU-CDG or even to LHR once that route has matured for them.

Congratulations to JJ and to Boeing! Too bad Boeing hasn't released their customary artist's impression of the aircraft though.
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:09 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 32):
Are the MD-11s former Varig birds? Where are they coming from? Congrats to TAM and Boeing on this order with a great customer!

Probably PP-VQJ/VQK/VQX, all three are owned by Boeing and ER versions. Nowadays stored at GIG closer to VEM facility.

I expect 4 frames, lets see what JJ could do with only 5 planes next year to run 3 new routes.

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 24):
Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 20):
370 pax that's pretty shocking.

No galleys, no restrooms… way to go.

The 773 is a 742/743 replacement aircraft in terms of capacity for much lower costs.

This is alot of seats for JJ to fill. 4 aircraft isn't alot but where it does fly, JJ will have a major piece of the market.

This is just confirmation of the thread that was running about the future of the 777 program. The 773 is one of the most capable large aircraft that is now available or could be available any time in the foreseeable future.
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 34):
Probably PP-VQJ/VQK/VQX, all three are owned by Boeing and ER versions. Nowadays stored at GIG closer to VEM facility.

So they are owned by Boeing, aqcuired from...? Surely Boeing didn't just have them sitting around on the off chance someone needed some temporary widebodies. With all the demand for MD-11s especially in the cargo market, I'm shocked they were available, unless recently returned from a lessor.
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 36):
With all the demand for MD-11s especially in the cargo market, I'm shocked they were available, unless recently returned from a lessor.

… varig maybe ?
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:31 pm

Quoting Gabo787 (Reply 13):
The 787 well that is another game, and who knows maybe in the future TAM will have an all Airbus narrow body fleet and an all Boeing wide body, everything is possible

There certainly do seem to be a lot of airlines that are all-Airbus on the narrowbody stuff, and all-Boeing on the widebody stuff. You usually don't see the opposite extreme (all-Airbus widebody and all-Airbus narrowbody). Most of the rest are a genuine mix.
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:08 pm

Wow this is surprising yet awesome and excellent news. Way to go Boeing and TAM Smile
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:22 pm

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 29):
I'd bet my cards on day light GIG-MIA, but what about the single M11 left?

Well could they use this on a domestic flight? I know that RG used an MD11 for flights from GRU-MAO. I flew on this many times. The loads seemed to be very high on these flights as well. What does JJ currently use on these flights from Sao Paulo to Manaus? Could this be put in place just like RG used then?

Great news for JJ! I am very happy for an Boeing widebody fleet in Brasil! Looking forward to flying on it in JJ colors!
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:35 pm

Well, somewhat of a shocker, but with the A350s coming in about 2014, TAM had to do something in the meantime.

This is what is called 'market timing', the longer Airbus takes to develop a 773ER alternative, the more airlines will choose the only alternative they have.
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:45 pm

From the WSJ:

Quote:
Boeing Co., capitalizing on the woes of Airbus, snagged an order from TAM SA, Brazil's dominant airline, for four 777 aircraft valued at slightly more than $1 billion at list prices.

The deal is important for Boeing because it breaks the stranglehold Airbus has had on the airline's business in recent years.

TAM's decision to go with Boeing is another in a series of setbacks for Airbus's twin-aisle A340 product line. In recent years, Boeing has won roughly two-thirds of the campaigns in which Airbus offered this four-engine airplane, and customers have complained about the reliability and performance of the most recent versions of the aircraft.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1162...909621.html?mod=home_whats_news_us
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:29 pm

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 42):
TAM's decision to go with Boeing is another in a series of setbacks for Airbus's twin-aisle A340 product line. In recent years, Boeing has won roughly two-thirds of the campaigns in which Airbus offered this four-engine airplane, and customers have complained about the reliability and performance of the most recent versions of the aircraft.

Despite the large Airbus fleet, TAM chose the Triple 7, so commonality is no longer the game changer. I hope Mexicana orders the T7 too.

Congratulations!

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:55 pm

That is great news!

My favorite Boeing Airplane in a great livery!

Congrats to both Boeing and TAM !
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:14 pm

Before getting too excited, isn't this deal a commitment and not a confirmed order? It is a great win for Boeing but I can't find an actual confirmation on this order. If it still is a commitment anything is still possible (?)

In any way congrats to Boeing once confirmed. That will be one sweet looking 777 Big grin

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:16 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 17):
I will defintely fly TAM because of this

And you wouldn't fly on one of their 332s?
 Yeah sure

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:19 pm

Congrats for TAM! The first 77W for a LatAm carrier!
That'll be a huge Magic Red Carpet  Wink
My guess is that TAM will use these planes on routes that get a lot of feed from other destinations thru other carriers, like AF and KL in CDG and probably even AMS.
Great to see Brazilian aviation move forward again!
 
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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:25 pm

It's even more exciting to see more airlines increasing capacity to Brazil. Brazil appears to become the new hot spot for many international airlines as well. Very nice Big grin

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RE: TAM Order 4x 777-300ER

Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:35 pm

Indeed a surprising move, a significant success for Boeing.

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 23):
what is TP going to do to compete? the 773ER is largest plane from Brazil to LIS. A significant expansion... top it off with great economics... roomier and most likely a better biz class offering than the old beat up A340 from TP.

TP is the market leader between Europe and Brazil, serving not only GRU and GIG but also FOR, NAT, REC and SSA nonstop. On the other hand, JJ doesn't even serve Portugal.
And even if JJ starts a route to LIS with the B77W, it will not result in all passengers dropping TP and jumping to JJ simply because of the B77W.


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