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Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:13 am

I was just looking at the route map for US and was trying to figure out what new transcontinental flights US may start in the next few years. Will we see CLT/PHL-YVR, ABQ, SMF, SLC or even a HNL direct. Or on the other side will there be a PHX to BNA, PVD or MHT?
 
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:30 am

PHX to BNA and CVG are very likely as they are the largest metro areas without connections to US's west network and would effectively tie in those markets. PHX to MHT, PVD, BUF are highly unlikely due to either low demand or very low yields and are effectively served via CLT and PHL.

PHL to SJC, SMF, OMA, AUS, SAT and SLC are very likely down the road as they have sufficient O&D and/or yields to support local traffic as well as trans-atlantic/carribean connections.

CLT to OKC, SMF, OMA, AUS, SAT, SLC and ABQ would effectively tie in those markets into the east network.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:42 am

I wonder if there will be service from MKE and IND to LAS with NW dropping out?
 
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:47 am

Maybe, when America West is fully integrated into US, could there be an HNL-PHX-PHL flight? Maybe it could start out at 1x daily w/ the a333?

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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:52 am

Quoting WN230 (Reply 3):
Maybe, when America West is fully integrated into US, could there be an HNL-PHX-PHL flight? Maybe it could start out at 1x daily w/ the a333?

Most likely 762ER when we get the A332.

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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting WN230 (Reply 3):
Maybe, when America West is fully integrated into US, could there be an HNL-PHX-PHL flight? Maybe it could start out at 1x daily w/ the a333?

By that time, they'll have the 332s and be able to fly PHL-HNL non-stop.  sarcastic 
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
I was just looking at the route map for US and was trying to figure out what new transcontinental flights US may start in the next few years.

The three talked about most on the East side seem to be BOS-PDX, CLT-SMF, PHL-SLC.

On the West side, there's been some recent talk of LAS-RIC and PHX-PBI.

Midcons will see a lot more additions, particularly CLT-AUS/OKC/OMA/SAT, LAS-MCI/OMA, PHX-LIT/XNA.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:04 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
PHX to BNA, PVD or MHT

good. WN does a PHX to PVD flight and its always full
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:57 pm

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 1):
CLT to OKC, SMF, OMA, AUS, SAT, SLC and ABQ would effectively tie in those markets into the east network.

I think HP/US is playing chicken with DL on a direct CLT-SLC route. Given both communities are large banking centers, SLC being home to American Express Centurion Bank, Discover Card and a few other smaller industrial banks to fund retailers and CLT being the home of Bank of America since their merger a few years ago with Nations bank, it is only a matter of time that a route with increasing O&D be served directly.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:19 pm

You will most likely see these routes announced once the 190s are online. Short east coast routes that ties up a 319 currently will be done with the 190, freeing up an A/C that can fly coast to coast.
Also once US finds someone to fly the order of CRJ 900s they made last summer more routes will open up out of CLT.
 
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:16 pm

You'll see a lot of major changes once the 2 airlines are integrated completely. There's a lot of connecting the dots to do. All of the routes listed are likely targets. My manager thought there was potential for us in TUS to get a PHL flight or even CLT..though PHL has a lot more O&D traffic. That would be fun  Smile
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:01 pm

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
Or on the other side will there be a PHX to BNA, PVD or MHT?



Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 10):
You'll see a lot of major changes once the 2 airlines are integrated completely. There's a lot of connecting the dots to do.

Another thought regarding PHX-PVD/MHT, as I said earlier, the yields are very low, combined with insufficient O&D demand and effective connectivity via PHL and CLT. I will go out on a limb and say that the likelihood of PHX-BDL being dropped is greater than PHX-PVD/MHT ever getting started. Why?

1. PHX-BDL yields are relatively low, due to limited competition with WN.
2. Since the merger, the value of PHX as a connecting hub to primary West Coast markets has diminished because of accessibility through PHL and CLT.
3 HP's current daily PHX-BDL roundtrip requires an A319 to be dedicated for 18 hours of block time everyday.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:25 pm

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11):
2. Since the merger, the value of PHX as a connecting hub to primary West Coast markets has diminished because of accessibility through PHL and CLT.

PHL and CLT have terrible West Coast accessibility. Only LAX, LAS, SAN, SFO, SEA and PDX are accessible through PHL.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11):
3 HP's current daily PHX-BDL roundtrip requires an A319 to be dedicated for 18 hours of block time everyday.

Remember, once the certificates are merged, that doesn't have to be the case. That A319 can fly PHX-BDL-CLT-PIT-PHL-DEN-PHX instead of having to sit and wait for the turnaround back to PHX.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:27 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
I think HP/US is playing chicken with DL on a direct CLT-SLC route. Given both communities are large banking centers, SLC being home to American Express Centurion Bank, Discover Card and a few other smaller industrial banks to fund retailers and CLT being the home of Bank of America since their merger a few years ago with Nations bank, it is only a matter of time that a route with increasing O&D be served directly.

They aren't playing chicken, the market is too thin. The idea of Salt Lake City has a banking centre more than anything regional is pretty laughable, and Discover Card is based in Riverwoods, Illinois, a Chicago suburb.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Discover Card is based in Riverwoods, Illinois, a Chicago suburb.

The Headquarters for Discover & Greenwood Trust are there, but their super-sized customer service/support center is based in SLC.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11):
Another thought regarding PHX-PVD

the WN flight from PVD to PHXis always full.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 12):
Remember, once the certificates are merged, that doesn't have to be the case. That A319 can fly PHX-BDL-CLT-PIT-PHL-DEN-PHX instead of having to sit and wait for the turnaround back to PHX.

I agree. I actually think that once the certificates are merged we will see a 2nd daily flight on this route. One way that US can keep yields up in PHL and reduce delays there is to move connections to other hubs in the system where there is more room to expand.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 15):
the WN flight from PVD to PHXis always full.

Just because WN experiences full loads, doesn't necessary mean it will be "profitable" for US into the market. The yields are pretty much trash on that route as it is a low-cost alternative to BOS. US already flies 4x daily flights on PHXBOS.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:51 am

someone needs to give WN a run for their money at PVD
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 18):
someone needs to give WN a run for their money at PVD

Amen.

Focus Cities

BOS
LGA
MCO
FLL

Hubs

DCA
PIT
PHL
PHX
LAS
CLT

PVD could be very well the next US focus city. If I haven't listed them all, please correct me.

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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 10):
My manager thought there was potential for us in TUS to get a PHL flight or even CLT

That would eliminate double-connections for flights from TUS to Europe.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 10):
My manager thought there was potential for us in TUS to get a PHL flight

I think this is probably a good possibility too, since UA seems to be liking their TUS-IAD flight.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 21):
I think this is probably a good possibility too, since UA seems to be liking their TUS-IAD flight.

It's only been 3 days. It is attractive though and at a good time.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 19):
PVD could be very well the next US focus city. If I haven't listed them all, please correct me.

PVD is just too close to BOS and LGA. I personally don't see any additional focus cities coming anytime soon.
 
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 19):
PVD could be very well the next US focus city.

HPRamper is right, but US could do some connecting the dots at PVD.

They have as many if not more Gates than WN, and there always being used.

Except gate 1 is quite confusing because its labeled Gate one, but theres no jet way. There is a door for a jetway. Its questioning.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting BDL2DCA (Reply 21):
think this is probably a good possibility too, since UA seems to be liking their TUS-IAD flight.

I'm curious, after only three flights, how do you know this?
 
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 19):
Amen.
Focus Cities
Hubs

MCO and FLL are not focus cities, and DCA isn't a hub, it's a focus city. PIT is a "secondary hub."
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 6):
The three talked about most on the East side seem to be BOS-PDX

I've heard this rumor as well. It would be interesting to see the response, if any from AS if US were to start this. After all, PDX is AAG's second largest station in terms of departures (thanks mostly to QX).

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 19):
PVD could be very well the next US focus city

A true pipe-dream my friend. I do have to say though, loyalty to small regional airports like PVD is pretty cool to see. You guys really appreciate your airport and your desire to see it continue to flourish is commendable.
 
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 27):
PVD could be very well the next US focus city

i dont think that would happen but US does have more gates than WN and i think might offer more flights. The only hub and focus city not served from here are PHX and KCI. Althought, i would like to see an MCO flight. That would be a smart decision.
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:53 pm

while PVD will never be a 'focus city' for US, there are always opportunities for them to explore here. They are still the 2nd largest carrier here and they (and Star partner UA as the 3rd largest PVD carrier) have been adding seats and strengthening thier customer base and loyalty. AA's decison to Eaglize PVD has driven many, many top-tier AA flyers to UA and now US, thanks to the Alliance. I see this continuing in the short term, which could lead US to look at some specific business oriented type routes going forward, even if on smaller aircraft (RJ's, SF3's, DH8's). US has 6 gates: 5 jetway capable (one with no jetbridge which is gate #2) - gates 3-6 and gate 1 which is RJ/turboprop and can fit 2 aircraft on the ramp. UA has 2 gates (one with no jetbridge). WN has 4.

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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:31 pm

I also believe PVD is US's largest non-hub/focus city station in the northeast. except for probably EWR...

Dec sched shows:
13 mainline
4 70-90 seat RJs
6 50-seat Rjs
6 S340s

Total of 29 daily flights

While i dont expect PVd to become a full focus city, the more DL/AA/B6/FL battle it out at BOS, the better PVD looks in US's eyes and perhaps we can see an LAS redeye and a PHX, and maybe a a few sat/weekend only Florida flights. Also perhaps some S340s to places like BUF.

LAS, PHX, MCO (weekend), BUF, FLL (weekend) added would make 10 destinations for US from PVD
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 29):
(one with no jetbridge which is gate #2)

whats this one for?
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 30):
Also perhaps some S340s to places like BUF.

I like that idea!!

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 31):
whats this one for?

they use it to RON park an aircraft, overflow at gate 1, and delays/cancellations/diversions when all the other gates are full. They just haven't ponied up to hang a bridge on that gate yet - nor has there been a huge need to at this point.
 
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RE: Future Transcon Flights For US

Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:41 am

oh, i see. ****filler
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