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Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:27 pm

Ecuadorian airline Icaro is yet another Latin American airline announcing plans to fly to South Florida. The airline announced yesterday in Ecuador that, following Ecuador's recent upgrade to Category I, they plan to begin non-stop flights between Manta, Ecuador and Miami or Fort Lauderdale using a 767-200ER. Only time will tell if this plan takes off, among the Latin airlines talking about launching South Florida service in the past year, we've seen mixed results:

AeroCondor - Plans to begin Miami-Lima next spring. Applied for and received Peruvian government permission, but has yet to apply for US government permission.

Aerogal - Announced plans to fly to MIA by the end of 2006 from Ecuador. Nothing since.

AeroRepublica - Announced Miami-Baranquilla more than three years ago. Has never started it.

AeroSur - Actually began Miami-Santa Cruz flights this summer, but that was three years after they announced them.

Aserca - Announced plans for MIA last spring. Nothing has happened.

Avior - Announced plans for MIA this fall. The difference? When they announced the flights, you could actually book them. Begins 16 December, from Barcelona, Venezuela.

Conviasa - Announced plans for MIA last spring. Nothing has happened.

LAN Argentina - Finally began flying to Miami this past August after their first attempt was stopped due to plane registration issues.

Santa Barbara - talk actually turned into reality with 2x daily MIA-CCS service, but it took four years to happen.

Tame - Has said they plan to fly Miami in 2007 following Ecuador going Category 1, but nothing else has happened.

Tikal Jets - Planned Miami-Guatemala City service never took off following the ceasing of operations this past August.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:45 pm

That's a pretty big airplane to start a route like that, some flavor of 737 would seem more practical. Do they have a USAF contract perhaps?
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:52 pm

I might think Icaro may have good passenger/freight contracts if they want to fly B767-200.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:22 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Tame - Has said they plan to fly Miami in 2007 following Ecuador going Category 1, but nothing else has happened.

Didn't Tame used to fly to MIA using 757 equipment? I thought they were to continue flying to MIA using 727's via Panama City, Panama.
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:31 pm

Panama seems to be the favorite stop, Lloyd Aero Boliviano's 727-200 stop there since the 767 were repossed.
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:52 am

Tame never flew to Miami. Yes, after Ecuador was upgraded to Category 1 many airlines have expressed interest in flying to the US. Miami (including FLL) and New York are of course their top priority. But hopefully someone will begin UIO-GYE-LAX again, which was lost soon after Ecuador was downgraded to Category 2 in the past.

Flights from Manta might be profitable since there is a US army base there. But interest to begin international commercial flights from there have been expressed in the past with no results...
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:13 am

And they'd want to fly to Manta because.....?
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
And they'd want to fly to Manta because.....?

Huge cargo hub.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
And they'd want to fly to Manta because.....?

From my understanding, the US base at Manta has done wonders for the city, it is after all, located right in the coast with plenty of beaches around. From what I am told, the city has improved significantly. Without going into much research, they could also fly fresh fish into Miami everyday, since Manta is also a fishing port. (Was it that Millon Air 707 that crashed in Manta not full of fish?).
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:36 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 3):
Didn't Tame used to fly to MIA using 757 equipment? I thought they were to continue flying to MIA using 727's via Panama City, Panama.

TAME has two A-320s as well, and even their new Embraers could reach Miami if necessairy.
Unlike Bolivia, Quito is less then 3000 km from Miami (don't want to bother to look up the exact distance) so a perfect medium range destination.
So no reason for them to use the 727s with intermediate stop IF they come to Miami.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:21 am

Aerosur's interest in opering a Miami route dates from the 1990's. But only now with problems at LAB have they been able to begin the service or seize the opportunity.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroRepublica - Announced Miami-Baranquilla more than three years ago. Has never started it.

Did they actually announce that? Could have been that the airline was just looking into serving Miami. They do have the rights, but from what the Colombian a.netters say on here, it seems the airline has shelved those plans and Miami service is now unlikely to happen, especially now that the airline is under control of Copa.

Another "new" MIA airline was going to be Russian's Domodedovo. Nothing on their website that hints of their April (and later October) beginning of a Miami route.

Up to the late 90's, there were two Ecuadorian airlines flying to Miami: Saeta and Ecuatoriana. Therefore Icaro would bring at least a 757-sized airplane, or larger. Is Lan-Ecuador still around?

It'd be wonderful to see aircraft from real Ecuadorian and Peruvian airlines again at Miami, instead of LAN-Peru/Ecuador or whatever.
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Huge cargo hub.

They're planning passenger or cargo flights?

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 8):
the US base at Manta has done wonders for the city

I can't imagine that is likely to fill a 767-200...or even a 737-200. MEC's only passenger connection to the outside world is currently 5 or so daily flights to UIO.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:47 am

Just a little additional info I found.

"The practice of water sports is very significant in Manta. Water sports include Surf (Manta was the host for the 2004 Bodyboarding World Cup), Scuba diving, Water-ski, Kiteboarding and Kitesurfing. Manta has some of South America's most breathtaking beaches, Manta was selected as the site of the sixth South American Windsurfing Championship. It is renowned for its diving and sport fishing."

I dont know how much there is really external tourism, but I bet that Icaro could fill the cargo bay of a 767 with fish every day.
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting Chupame (Reply 5):
Tame never flew to Miami. Yes, after Ecuador was upgraded to Category 1 many airlines have expressed interest in flying to the US. Miami (including FLL) and New York are of course their top priority. But hopefully someone will begin UIO-GYE-LAX again, which was lost soon after Ecuador was downgraded to Category 2 in the past.

Ecuatoriana used to fly this route. I never flew this route with them but near the end when they were having lots of trouble they would regularly have Tame fly their domestic flights for them, could they have done the same on MIA?

Obviously the security situation at UIO has improved considerably since I last visited for Ecuador to be upgraded to Cat I. It used to be quite possible to board domestic flights there without going through a security screening.

Quoting Chupame (Reply 5):
Flights from Manta might be profitable since there is a US army base there

Air Force actually.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Huge cargo hub.

They're planning passenger or cargo flights?

Passenger, but as many other routes has prooven (i.e. AA's DFW-SCL), cargo can drive passenger flights too.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:48 am

Does anyone knows what's happned with their F28s? I heard they are no longer using F28s... what are they using instead? more classic 737s?

Any one with more reliable sources to confirm or share more information on Icaro?
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:49 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroCondor - Plans to begin Miami-Lima next spring. Applied for and received Peruvian government permission, but has yet to apply for US government permission.

I wish they would hurry, I'm having a heck of a time finding decent prices MIA-LIM-MIA in Jan07 for an event with my fiance's family!

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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Passenger, but as many other routes has prooven (i.e. AA's DFW-SCL), cargo can drive passenger flights too.

Right but there's actually pax demand between the US and SCL via DFW's hub, whereas the demand between the US and MEC is either zero or very close to it.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 15):
Does anyone knows what's happned with their F28s? I heard they are no longer using F28s... what are they using instead? more classic 737s?

They took more 737s, but when I was in Ecuador in september the three F-28s were all very active. So it might have been a VERY recent development that they ditched them.
TAME though doesn't use their F-28s much since they got the Embraers, maybe on 1 or 2 flights a day.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 8):
From my understanding, the US base at Manta has done wonders for the city, it is after all, located right in the coast with plenty of beaches around. From what I am told, the city has improved significantly. Without going into much research, they could also fly fresh fish into Miami everyday, since Manta is also a fishing port. (Was it that Millon Air 707 that crashed in Manta not full of fish?).

= Beyond the U.S. base, fishing has been a signiciant driver in the economy and I personally know of a very rich guy who is lobbying for this flight. Moreover, Manta has seen a burst of infrastructure development including expansion of the port, and the highway that leads to/from Manta. If you have the money, buy a penthouse in one of the many buildings overlooking the Pacific just south of the port. They are a steal!

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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting Chupame (Reply 5):
Tame never flew to Miami

I could have sworn seeing a TAME 727 in MIA about 3 or 4 years ago while pushing back on a CM flight. Also saw a TAME A320 in PTY the last time I went there, anybody know what it was doing?
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:18 am

If the MEC-MIA/FLL fares are attractive, I wouldn't be surprised some passengers from GYE could fly out of MEC.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 18):
They took more 737s, but when I was in Ecuador in september the three F-28s were all very active



I wish the 737s and future aircraft would wear the same "snakes" paintscheme on those F28s. Unique and very good looking!

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 13):
Ecuatoriana used to fly this route. I never flew this route with them but near the end when they were having lots of trouble they would regularly have Tame fly their domestic flights for them, could they have done the same on MIA?



Quoting Luisca (Reply 20):
I could have sworn seeing a TAME 727 in MIA about 3 or 4 years ago while pushing back on a CM flight. Also saw a TAME A320 in PTY the last time I went there, anybody know what it was doing?

Again the only time TAME has been at MIA and FLL have been on VIP flights, and at that almost always on a fuel stop while going to New York.
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:30 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroCondor - Plans to begin Miami-Lima next spring. Applied for and received Peruvian government permission, but has yet to apply for US government permission.

I'm scared they will go bankrupt some time soon. All Peruvian airlines seem to go down (AeroPeru, Faucett Peru, TANS)

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroRepublica - Announced Miami-Baranquilla more than three years ago. Has never started it.

and they never will

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AeroSur - Actually began Miami-Santa Cruz flights this summer, but that was three years after they announced them.

Don't they plan to fly also from LPB ?
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 8):
From my understanding, the US base at Manta has done wonders for the city, it is after all, located right in the coast with plenty of beaches around.

Yeah, did a couple months at Manta-Good times. GAO and USAF contracts will most likely stay with Continental and American.

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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
airline has shelved those plans and Miami service is now unlikely to happen, especially now that the airline is under control of Copa

Makes no sense to start the route when CM has such an efficeint hub. It would go against its' owners reason of being.

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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
Another "new" MIA airline was going to be Russian's Domodedovo. Nothing on their website that hints of their April (and later October) beginning of a Miami route.

On the Russian website, there is a PR announcing Miami.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 10):
Did they actually announce that? Could have been that the airline was just looking into serving Miami. T

Yes, Aerorepublic announced plans to fly MIA-BAQ in January 2003.
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:25 am

Would CM ever consider flying to MEC and CUE in Ecuador, as well as VLN, PMV in Venezuela, BGA in Colombia, AQP, IQT in Per�??
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 21):
If the MEC-MIA/FLL fares are attractive, I wouldn't be surprised some passengers from GYE could fly out of MEC.

I'd be surprised. It's a long drive, this is not like going from EWR to PHL on Interstate 95.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
Again the only time TAME has been at MIA and FLL have been on VIP flights, and at that almost always on a fuel stop while going to New York.

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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:04 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 23):
All Peruvian airlines seem to go down (AeroPeru, Faucett Peru, TANS)

I find the irony in your statement, since all three of the airlines mentioned had planes that went down right before the company went down.

Quoting SegmentQueen (Reply 16):
I wish they would hurry, I'm having a heck of a time finding decent prices MIA-LIM-MIA in Jan07 for an event with my fiance's family!

I book my Christmas tickets no later than 9 months prior to travel. It's summer in LIM and it's high season, so flying in Jan is always expensive to LIM, assuming anything is available at this point.

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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:14 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 23):
I'm scared they will go bankrupt some time soon. All Peruvian airlines seem to go down (AeroPeru, Faucett Peru, TANS)

Aerocontinente. Indeed a bad trend, hopefully AeroCondor would eventually be able to start that MIA service. What's sad is that while these countries with no real flag carriers have not made a big effort to launch an airline that could compete at the international level, LAN, TACA and others have taken the market all for themselves.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 28):
Correct. Here are some photos...

I've seen only those in new colors, the one in MIA and the one in FLL, which was shot while going up to JFK. I saw it and finally nailed it coming down  Smile It carried Ecuador's president (which would be deposed shortly after) and his delegation. That was one beautiful 727.
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 28):

I'd be surprised. It's a long drive, this is not like going from EWR to PHL on Interstate 95.

You have to clarify it some more. The distances are not too great, but the roads are even worse. For example, you can fly from GYE to UIO in 30 minutes. But the drive can be from 6 to 8 hrs. by car, and 12 hrs. by bus.
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 8):
From my understanding, the US base at Manta has done wonders for the city, it is after all, located right in the coast with plenty of beaches around. From what I am told, the city has improved significantly. Without going into much research, they could also fly fresh fish into Miami everyday, since Manta is also a fishing port. (Was it that Millon Air 707 that crashed in Manta not full of fish?).

MANTA is an option because it is a really good airport and its at sea level. Not much traffic, and not much problems with the airport making an arrival or departure easy. Also, coenctions would be made from Manta to GYE and obviosly, from UIO (As the route would be UIO-MEC-MIA). Also, the deal in Manta is that its already a major base for ICARO and taxes arent that high deaprting from such a small airport (According the the pvice president of the airline) reason which ICARO makes most of their charters via MANTA. No specific TOURISTIC reason for the stop over.

Quoting Atnight (Reply 15):
Does anyone knows what's happned with their F28s? I heard they are no longer using F28s... what are they using instead? more classic 737s?

Any one with more reliable sources to confirm or share more information on Icaro?

ATNIGHT, how you been, long time no speak. ICARO, is growing. The F-28's were sold already, but they are still flying. HC-CDG will leave in two weeks to ********** ( Big grin hehehe, standby for news and pictures of the new colroed planes). The other fokkers as well, will leave to the same new owner in **** Big grin hahahah. Ill tell you soon.

ICARO is getting more 737's one cargo one and the last decisionw as taken to buy BAE RJ70. Nice ehh? And possibly one new DHC8.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
I wish the 737s and future aircraft would wear the same "snakes" paintscheme on those F28s. Unique and very good looking!

Some itneresting liveries seem to come with the new planes, special ones, atleast thats what they said at work the other day when we were in the hanger.
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 32):
Some itneresting liveries seem to come with the new planes, special ones, atleast thats what they said at work the other day when we were in the hanger.

Cool, keep us updated. Do you know when Icaro would be starting service to Miami? If they haven't applied to the US DOT yet.. it would take a while
 
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 32):
ICARO is getting more 737's one cargo one and the last decisionw as taken to buy BAE RJ70. Nice ehh? And possibly one new DHC8.

Thanks for the information.... It sure will be great to see a BAE RJ70 around UIO, not to mention another DHC8..... I guess they liked the one they got no? I can't wait till you tell me who in the world is the one who bought the fokkers... I wonder who it is! Anyways, is good to hear from you... I know you're getting ready to do some flying yourself right?
BTW, anyways, hope all is good for you.... do keep us updated about Icaro's and any other news in Ecuador...
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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:10 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 27):
MEC and CUE in Ecuador, as well as VLN, PMV in Venezuela, BGA in Colombia, AQP, IQT in Per�??

I don´t know Ecuador, but BGA, IQT and AQP are kinda never gonna happen-ers.....the Venezuelan destinations do make sense.

I hope that finally a Peruvian carrier is able to compete with LP. I mean, it´s not THAT hard...
 
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:15 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 35):
I don´t know Ecuador, but BGA, IQT and AQP are kinda never gonna happen-ers.....the Venezuelan destinations do make sense.

In Ecuador, It seems CUE has been in CM's study room already, BGA would be a tough destination to get given the Colombia - Panamá bilateral, IQT has a very remote possibility of becoming a CM destination in the near future; but when it comes to AQP, that's Perú's 2nd largest city, a major tourist destination and it has very poor - if any - international service, other than TA LIM-AQP-LIM connecting flights, there's nothing northbound, major difficulties for CM to fly there, might be that CM E190 won't have the range to fly AQP-PTY non-stop due to AQP altitude and that AQP is not open 24/7 (CM flights may arrive/depart between 2300 and 0600).
Thinking CM will fly to AQP someday isn't that crazy at all.
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 35):
I hope that finally a Peruvian carrier is able to compete with LP. I mean, it´s not THAT hard...

= But what really is a Peruvian carrier  Smile? My Peruvian friend was dismayed and sad when I called her out on her misplaced nationalism with WAYRA PERU. She thought it was some local thing.  Yeah sure

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RE: Icaro (Ecuador) Wants To Fly To S. FL (from Manta)

Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 37):
She thought it was some local thing.

It´s not an internatinal brand, is it? The name is actually not even in spanish, but in quechua, the inca language. Translated to english, it means "Winds of Peru", and in spanish "Vientos del Perú"

It´s logo represents a peruvian symbol. Not a central american parrot or a southern star.

It´s not owned in more than 50% by an international company.

It may be managed by the synergy group, but it´s not called Avianca or OceanAir Peru. It flies peruvian registered aircraft, and hires peruvian employees.

So i really don´t see your point, all im trying to say is that any peruvian carrier could have the same opportunities as LA and TA if they sorted out things well. For example, i admire Star Peru, a small but nice airline with a seemingly efficient operation. If they got some more financing, they could go head to head with the others.

I really love it when people try attacking your national airline here, when it has nothing to do with the subject...its so my first months on a.net  Smile Of course, its been more than a year for you here.

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