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Avic I Sells 90 MA-60 And ARJ21

Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:44 pm

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The ambitious goal of State-owned China Aviation Industry Corporation I (AVIC I) was revealed on a day when the company made a breakthrough in the regional plane market by selling 60 MA60 turboprop and 30 ARJ21 turbofan jets for regional flights.

http://english.people.com.cn/200611/01/eng20061101_317009.html

30 MA-60 are believed to be destined for OK Airways - so who gets the other ones?
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RE: Avic I Sells 90 MA-60 And ARJ21

Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:53 pm

My god doesnt the ARJ21 look like a MDxx ! So they did keep the drawings!!!!!

Is this a preview of what they might do when working with Airbus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My guess is that it won't impact much on the international market, old tech, new wrapper, with P.R.C stamped on the label.
 
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RE: Avic I Sells 90 MA-60 And ARJ21

Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:59 pm

Does that mean that the potentially lucrative Chinese market will prove a tough sell for Embraer and Bombardier if AVIC I becomes the number-one choice for RJs?

Did Embraer actually open an E145 production plant in Harbin?
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RE: Avic I Sells 90 MA-60 And ARJ21

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 2):
Did Embraer actually open an E145 production plant in Harbin?

Yes, a couple of years ago IIRC. Just last month they sold 50 to CAAC.
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RE: Avic I Sells 90 MA-60 And ARJ21

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting Dougbr2006 (Reply 1):
My god doesnt the ARJ21 look like a MDxx ! So they did keep the drawings!!!!!

More importantly they have the tooling. The ARJ has the same nose and cross-section of the DC9. IIRC the wing is different, how different I don't know however. What engines are they using BTW?
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RE: Avic I Sells 90 MA-60 And ARJ21

Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:08 pm

http://www.ainonline.com/Features/regionalbusaircraft/arj21a.html

It uses the GE CF34, and and has an Antonov designed wing.

Who said Douglas aircraft were dead! The ARJ21 is clearly, yet another DC9 derivative...If MD were still independant, would China have been allowed to compete against the 717/MD95?
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RE: Avic I Sells 90 MA-60 And ARJ21

Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:34 am

Goodness! I had not realized how awfully close to the Boeing 717 in design and performance specifications the ARJ21 seems to be. As noted by previous posters, it's clearly a DC9/MD80/MD90/MD95 conceptual derivative, albeit with GE engines and a new Antonov-designed wing. Especially the proposed ARJ21-900 stretched version, with an 1800 nm range and room for roughly 100 passengers. And look at the passenger comfort level - 18 inch seat widths, 32 inch pitch, and good-sized overhead baggage compartments - even in all-economy configuration. Am I naive to think that this could sell well in the west? For those airlines that wished Boeing had kept the 717 line going? And for those European airlines that seem to be snapping up used Fokker 100s? Could this plane give the Embraer 170/175/190/195 line a run for its money? After all, the estimated market during the 2006-2025 time-period for passenger jetliners in the 61-120 seat range is roughly 6,000 frames. Admittedly that's Embraer's own estimate, so it should perhaps be taken with a grain of salt. But even if the market were only 50% of that, would not the ARJ21 (assuming good operating economics and reliability) take a significant share? While most people are looking at the Russian and Ukranian entrants into this market (Sukoi RRJ and Antonov AN-148), could it be that the Chinese will actually grab a large piece of the market? Am I not correct that they are already in construction, and have 35 firm orders plus additional options? Thoughts and/or corrections would be welcome. Thanks.

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RE: Avic I Sells 90 MA-60 And ARJ21

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:24 pm

Seems that we can attribute another 30 frames:

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China's SE Leasing, which is 95% owned by Shanghai Electric, signed MOU with AVIC I to order 30 ARJ21s.
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