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Confirmed A380 To JNB

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:31 pm

 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:39 pm

That is cool. But which airline will eventually fly the A380 into JNB? EK perhaps? I can only think of BA and SA as likely future A380 operators making sense to JNB. They at least carry the big loads on the LHR route.
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:45 pm

I would say as a guess LH, VS and EK. I have heard three airlines for sure but no one is saying who.
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:53 pm

Quoting A390 (Reply 2):
I would say as a guess LH, VS and EK.

Don't be breathlessly waiting on VS, they recently deferred their deliveries of A380s until 2013.
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:55 pm

SA is going to order some (lease first), possibly........
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 4):
SA is going to order some (lease first), possibly........

I would not be surprised. Again, the A380 would make sense on the LHR route but also, I can imagine SA's current CEO wanting the whalejet, for several reasons... It would look good though, in SA colors; imagine that tail.
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:53 pm

I can see LH, VS in 2013, BA 380 LHR-JNB route, if they order the Super Jumbo (wich I hope, needless to say)

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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:00 am

BA will order an Airbus widebody at about the same time UA/AA/CO will, and on the same day that hell freezes over.
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:19 am

@ Airbazar

Are you sure about that statement, you might have to eat it up. Foot in mouth.

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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 4):
SA is going to order some (lease first), possibly........

Unfortunately, all that I've heard so far points toward that not happening for the time being...
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:03 am

LOL airbazar


when's the next ice age?
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:45 pm

Here is some more info

31st October 2006
A380 BEGINS TECHNICAL ROUTE PROVING IN FINAL PHASE OF CERTIFICATION PROCESS
The world’s largest commercial airliner, the 555 seat Airbus A380, will start its technical route proving exercise on 13th November 2006 to carry out function and reliability tests at key airports around the world. This exercise is the last of the trials required for Type Certification, which is expected in mid December. For the trial, the aircraft has to make over 150 flight hours on a continuous typical airline schedule, performing in its normal operational environment. The aircraft will be operated by Airbus flight crews with the participation of Airworthiness Authority pilots from both EASA and FAA.

The aircraft used for the trial is A380 MSN002 and is powered by four Rolls Royce Trent 900 engines. Starting from Toulouse, France, it will be visiting ten different airports in four trips. They include Singapore and Seoul during the first trip (14th and 15th November), then Hong Kong and Narita on 18th and 19th November. The third trip brings the aircraft to Guangzhou (22nd November), and Beijing and Shanghai (23rd November).

The fourth and final trip will take the A380 around the globe, via both poles. It will depart Toulouse to reach Johannesburg on 26th November, and then fly over the South Pole en-route to Sydney where it will arrive on 28th November. From Sydney, it will fly across the Pacific to Vancouver (29th November) prior to returning to Toulouse via the North Pole.

During this technical route proving exercise, the A380 will have to demonstrate that it can be turned around as per normal airline operations. Tests will cover, amongst other things, checks on standard aircraft maintenance and behaviour, as well as typical airport operations and compatibility. These will include monitoring functions such as bridge docking, cleaning and catering, refuelling and boarding procedures.

Five development A380s have now flown. Four aircraft, one of which is powered by the Engine Alliance GP7200 engine, are now actively involved in the intensive flight test programme, which has already reached over 730 flights and 2,300 flight hours. The fifth aircraft is undergoing cabin installation in Hamburg. Firm orders and commitments for the A380 currently stand at 176 aircraft for 16 customers.

Airbus is an EADS company.
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:35 pm

Would anyone have any idea of an ETA in JNB?
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 7):
BA will order an Airbus widebody at about the same time UA/AA/CO will, and on the same day that hell freezes over.

AA has at least ordered an Airbus widebody before but I doubt that since the crash of AA 587 they will order any new ones in the near future.
UA might be interested in the A350 as a 777 replacement it is the most likely of the three airlines mentioned above to consider an Airbus widebody.
Co has already ordered the 787.
Regarding BA Mr.Walsh recently made quite positive comments about the A380 so I would not rule it out completely.
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting A390 (Reply 12):

One 'vaguely' informed source indicated between 08h00 and 10h00, which does make sense. Misses the morning rush, gives the 380 a run at 'normal' JNB conditions (early morning conditions).

Now seriously, how to find out? The runway selection is easy since I believe 21R isn't rated for the 380 (well not until they chew up a few houses in a neighbouring suburb) - so we clog up the N12 from Jet Park to Atlas or just close the R21 ?  Smile

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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:28 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 4):

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makes me wonder why they still haven't. SAA is booming and they need the capacity of the big bird
god is a spotter!!!
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:49 pm

I think SAA should start to make a profit first before they think of purchasing some aircraft.
Would anyone have any ideas on a good spotting place?
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:34 pm

I heard from a source yesterday that landing in JNB will be at 08h00 local time and using the main runway 03L/21R. Does anyone else have more information?
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:43 pm

Yeah - I'm hearing the same ETA but not on 03L/21R which is supposedly (?) too short for it.
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:16 pm

Perhaps there are taxiways restrictions?
Info I have on the runways is the following:
03L/21R 4418m in length
03R/21L 3400m in length
Both sufficient for landings
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:36 pm

@ 390

My source was dubious so what you say makes more sense, but I know ACSA are making sounds about buying out property on the east side to expand the runway (?) soo .... it would be great if it was on 21R since it's easier to get around the spotting areas  Smile but to be honest, any northerly approach is great, southerly is a bugger to get between the runways !
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting A390 (Reply 19):
Info I have on the runways is the following:
03L/21R 4418m in length
03R/21L 3400m in length
Both sufficient for landings

Your lengths are correct - and the width of both 03L/21R & 03R/21L is 60m.

Quoting SAA346 (Reply 18):
Yeah - I'm hearing the same ETA but not on 03L/21R which is supposedly (?) too short for it.

Well 03L is the longer of the two runways!? Who knows why - here in Abu Dhabi we have 4100m and it was more than adequate. We had both the EA and RR powered version at Al Ain too, and 01/19 is much the same length as Abu Dhabi 13/31.


In any event - I will miss it - as I arrive in JNB on the 26th at around 10am...
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:05 pm

Okay this is the latest info I have:

The 380 will arrive on Sunday morning between 08:00 and 09:00. She will be on the ground for a couple of hours then will do flight testing using 03R from about 11:00. High Flyerz or the Crew Room anyone?

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 21):
here in Abu Dhabi we have 4100m and it was more than adequate

Yes but Abu Dhabi isn't at 5,500ft AMSL.

Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 21):
I arrive in JNB on the 26th at around 10am

see above, just get through baggage claim fast!

Quoting SAA346 (Reply 20):
ACSA are making sounds about buying out property on the east side to expand the runway

I think my old house will be bulldozed then, check this photo:



That is 03R/21L in the bottom left corner.
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 22):
Yes but Abu Dhabi isn't at 5,500ft AMSL.

Yep. Fully aware of that!  Wink  Smile That's why we were just used for the hot-weather test campaigns for both RR & EA versions...

I suppose 03R will be more beneficial from an ATC point of view. If you had to use 03L for the t&g's or MAP's, then it would restrict the departures somewhat. By using 03R, and an early right turn, I suppose they could get around the interim spacing requirements (we had to use the interim 15nm, but I do not know what they will do now).

The top of the Denel apartment block should give some good photo angles too, depending on the sun. Trouble is getting up there, as security would probably have increased since the 'old days' - I lived there for quite a while, and spent many a day on top with bino's. Had no money for a camera or scanner in those days Sad

I don't know what sort of weights the A380 will be operating with - hence no guess of what sort of take off run will be used. I suspect that the East Rand Mall lot area will give you nice approach shots... Or you can cross the freeway and get around the base of the elevated threshold - I did that a few years ago... This is the result...


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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:09 pm

The aircraft landed this morning just after 08h00 local time (0600UTC) on 03R.
What a beauty! I could not believe the short landing roll, one third of the runway. Pics to follow once I've dowloaded them.
 
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:43 pm

What time does the plane depart? I only will be in JNB by tomorrow morning and of course would love to see the plane at JNB!?
Above it says that the plane will fly to Sydney via South Polar where it will arrive the 28th. So it might be possible, right that it stays overnight at JNB?!
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RE: Confirmed A380 To JNB

Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:07 pm

It will be at JNB overnight and departs for SYD tomorrow sometime, I don't have any more accurate information.
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