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Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:29 am

Korean Air will continues its expansion in 2006/07 Winter schedule.

New Cities
Kota Kinabalu - 4 weekly 738 (AB6 eff 21FEB)
Kathmandu - 1 weekly 772
Utapao - 3 weekly 738 (AB6 22DEC-27FEB; 333 28FEB-24MAR)
Siem Reap - 4 weekly 738
Phnom Penh - 4 weekly 738
Changsha - 5 weekly 738

Frequency Increase
Phuket - 2xw -> 4xw
Denpasar - now 4x weekly
Singapore - 7xw -> 10xw eff 27NOV
Hong Kong - 14xw -> 17xw from Seoul
Honolulu - 4xw -> 6xw

Code-share
Codeshare flights operated by CSA Czech Airlines went into effect since 01SEP06, covers 17 cities/airports and up to 30 daily flights in Europe, to/from Prague:

Amsterdam
Barcelona
Berlin
Copenhagen
Dusseldorf
Edinburgh
Frankfurt
Hamburg
London Heathrow
London Stansted
Madrid
Manchester
Munich
Oslo
Stockholm
Warsaw
Zurich
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:35 am

come back to BOS KE  Smile
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:38 am

That is an amazing list. Korean is on a roll. They are like a whole new airline.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 1):
come back to BOS KE

I bet in their next round of US expansion BOS and DTW will join the list.
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:51 am

772 to Kathmandu? I can't wait to see that!

Being the homer that I am, KE really should increase the frequency on the YYZ route...
 
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Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):

I bet in their next round of US expansion BOS and DTW will join the list.

They have already said that the next two are most likely Houston and Miami.

http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=6775
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting Watewate (Reply 3):
772 to Kathmandu? I can't wait to see that!

Anyone know how the KTM market is doing in general now that Nepal has all but imploded?
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:08 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):

That is not the end of the story.

KE increases China routes, too.

ICN-PVG: 10 -> 21 per week since this week.
ICN-PEK: now 8 weekly, but will increase to 14 very soon. (They still finding slots for proper time.)

And about Southeast Asia..

ICN-BKK: was 14/w, now 17/w, will be 21/w since late December.
ICN-MNL: 13 -> 14 per week
ICN-KUL: 5 -> 7 per week
 
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:23 am

Anyone know the status of the ICN-TAO route for the winter schedule? It was running upwards of 3x daily on certain days this summer, I just find it a little hard to believe that Qingdao is getting more rotations than PEK/PVG even with Qingdao's ginormous Korean population!
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Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 7):
Anyone know the status of the ICN-TAO route for the winter schedule?

KE operates only 2 daily ICN-TAO flights. 738 and AB6. However, MU has 4 dailies, CA has 2 dailies, SC has 2 dailies and OZ has 1 daily. Total 11 dailies. Frequency is high but most of the ICN-TAO flights are small aircraft, so PVG/PEK are still dominate the Korea-China market.

ICN-TAO: 11 daily (KE 2, OZ 1, MU 4, CA 2, SC 2), mostly 737/320
ICN-PVG: 14 daily (KE 3, OZ 4, MU 4 (+2 weekly), CZ 2, FM 5 weekly) mostly widebody
ICN-PEK: 10 daily (KE 1 (+1 weekly), OZ 3, CA 3, CZ 2, MU 1) mostly widebody, and KE and OZ trying to increase frequency to 2 daily and 24 weekly.
 
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Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:05 am

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 7):
Anyone know the status of the ICN-TAO route for the winter schedule? It was running upwards of 3x daily on certain days this summer, I just find it a little hard to believe that Qingdao is getting more rotations than PEK/PVG even with Qingdao's ginormous Korean population!

1 daily 738 and 1 daily AB6 in the winter season. November will see a mix of 332/333/738.

Yes, tons of koreans in the Shandong Province spurred the demand so that's why Shandong had its own open-skies with Korea.
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:05 am

Thanks for the info - it's great to see such massive expansion on KE's part.

Can anyone give a breakdown for an ICN-KTM-ICN schedule, and an estimated flying time between the two cities? Is the route sustainable if its only operated once weekly? If flying time is 5+hours, the crew couldn't possibly do a turnaround...wouldn't that be too long? If the crew are to layover in KTM, a week seems like an awfully long time. But I am really excited to see that baby blue B777 flying into the Himalayas alongside Thai's B777 and Gulf's A343!

Any insights would be great.
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):

I bet in their next round of US expansion BOS and DTW will join the list.

yey  Smile
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Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:34 am

It is very nice to see SkyTeam carriers extending their networks. Now if we could only have KE flights to MEX...
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 10):
Can anyone give a breakdown for an ICN-KTM-ICN schedule, and an estimated flying time between the two cities?

ICN-KTM 1020-1430 Mon; takes 07:30
KTM-ICN 1600-0055+1 Mon; takes 05:35

Wow, 2hr difference! This is only once weekly, but mostly travelers will fill up, and they will trip those area at least one week, so it won't be bad. The only problem is cabin crews and pilots, but I don't have any idea, sorry.
 
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 10):
Can anyone give a breakdown for an ICN-KTM-ICN schedule, and an estimated flying time between the two cities? Is the route sustainable if its only operated once weekly?

KE695 ICN1020-1355KTM 1 772 13NOV-20NOV
KE696 KTM1600-0120ICN 1 772 13NOV-20NOV

KE695 ICN1020-1430KTM 1 772 27NOV-
KE696 KTM1600-0055ICN 1 772 27NOV-
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):

direct service would be nice but again, LAX being so close dont think that is in their plans short-term. I remember reading though that Mexico City was one of the cities KE was looking into to send Cargo flights. Lets hope that does happen.

Didnt KE and AM sign a code share agreement already??
 
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 15):

Didnt KE and AM sign a code share agreement already??

Korean Air codeshare on AeroMexico's LA - Guadalajara and Mexico City

AeroMexico on Korean's Los Angeles - Seoul
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:56 pm

I also recall reading that KE really wants to send cargo planes to MEX. I think it is just a matter of when not if. Now that AM is flying TIJ-NRT, maybe AM and KE should codeshare on KE's NRT-ICN too.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:57 pm

Kathmandu, Kota Kinabalu and U-Tapao are all seasonal charters, they dont continue with summer 2007 schedule accoridng to Amadeus.net.
 
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:22 am

Meanwhile, Korean Air will codeshare on Delta's new LAX - SMF/OAK/SJC flight

Quoting 777way (Reply 18):
Kathmandu, Kota Kinabalu and U-Tapao are all seasonal charters, they dont continue with summer 2007 schedule accoridng to Amadeus.net

Those destinations are regular scheduled flights as they all get KE6xx flight number instead of KE8xxx. Korean Air press release said they've been converted from charter to scheduled flight.
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Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:28 am

OK, so seasonal scheduled?
 
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:34 am

When is KE coming to Miami ? KE Cargo is here, as is China Air cargo, but none of those beautiful Asian passenger 744 have yet been seen at Miami, oh when ?
 
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Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:37 am

Two questions:

1) Will the ICN-KTM be a non-stop? Having read MacArthur Job's "Air Disaster, Volume 3" about the Thai A310 and Pakistan A300 crashes near KTM, as well as the current Airways or Airliners magazine (I am not at home, and I can't remember which one!!) article on flying into KTM, it's not an easy approach - in fact, it's one of the most difficult. The terrain is a b****, and climb-out procedures are tricky as well.

Not to doubt Korean Air's pilots or disparage the 777, but can they get a fully loaded 777 off the short runway and fly it non-stop to ICN?

2) In the U.S., there are bilateral talks all the time about flights between China and the United States. PEK and PVG are considered "first tier" airports, subject to extreme restrictions. We all know the debate going on between CO, AA, UA, and NW about the new flight being allowed.

Does Korea have unlimited access to Chinese airports? Or are they restricted in the "tier" system as well? That might explain why they are expanding at other Chinese airports instead of the highly desirable PEK and PVG.

Thanks for your insights!!
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 22):
Not to doubt Korean Air's pilots or disparage the 777, but can they get a fully loaded 777 off the short runway

Thai use 777 and Austrian use A340, Aeroflot also operated 777 to KTM.

With the exception of St. Petersburg, the other seasonal destinations Urumqi, Utapao, Vienna, Yangon and Christchurch do not show up at KE website. Kota Kinabalu is there because its code share on MH.

[Edited 2006-11-02 20:06:14]
 
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Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 13):
Wow, 2hr difference! This is only once weekly, but mostly travelers will fill up, and they will trip those area at least one week, so it won't be bad. The only problem is cabin crews and pilots, but I don't have any idea, sorry.

perhaps Korean sacrifices a few seats on the way home for the crew to hitch the ride instead of paying them & the hotel for 1 whole week in Kathmandu?
 
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Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:23 am

Press Release also shows Pattaya with 737, but no mention of Utapao.
 
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Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting KULatICT (Reply 24):
perhaps Korean sacrifices a few seats on the way home for the crew to hitch the ride instead of paying them & the hotel for 1 whole week in Kathmandu?

I agree, that will be the most realistic option.

Quoting 777way (Reply 25):
Press Release also shows Pattaya with 737, but no mention of Utapao.

As far as I know, Utapao airport is in Pattaya.. 80% sure..

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 22):
1) Will the ICN-KTM be a non-stop?

Mmm yes, since the flight time is only 5:30 and 7:30, for a quiet long sector. It should be nonstop..

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 22):
Does Korea have unlimited access to Chinese airports?

Last summer, Korea and China agreed on partial open sky agreement. So Shandong area and Hainan area are opened while other area will be opened 2007 or 2008. That is why Chinese airliners and Korean airliners are doing excessively on TAO, WEH, YNT, SYX, etc. Also they agreed on double the frequency between ICN and PEK / PVG, so now there are twice more flights than one year ago, but eventually these routes will be freely, too.

Also, now both countries have 21 weekly 5th freedom, so China eastern will probably open daily PVG-ICN-LAX next summer.
 
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:39 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 25):
Press Release also shows Pattaya with 737, but no mention of Utapao.

Schedule shows airport code UTP = Utapao, relatively close to Pattaya.

Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 26):
Also, now both countries have 21 weekly 5th freedom, so China eastern will probably open daily PVG-ICN-LAX next summer.

That's going to be cargo service with 747-400F
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Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Code-share
Codeshare flights operated by CSA Czech Airlines went into effect since 01SEP06, covers 17 cities/airports and up to 30 daily flights in Europe, to/from Prague:

Edinburgh

Thats a waste of time. CSA leave EDI in January
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Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 28):
Thats a waste of time. CSA leave EDI in January

Korean Air and AEROFLOT just codeshare on whatever they can, I guess. AEROFLOT also codeshares to Cork, which was launch in July.
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:32 am

PanAm747: can you (or anyone reallr) please refer me to any online article or journal that talks about the approach into KTM and why its so difficult? I fly into KTM alot and am really interested in this. Especially becuase 9 times out of 10 I fly in on Thai!
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:29 am

Well, if you can back-order the September 2006 issue of Airways magazine, it has the article on the approach into KTM. Pages 40-45. Very well written article.

MacArthur Job's Air Disaster Volume 3 is more a description of the difficulties of flying into KTM that the Thai A310 encountered, and what they did wrong.
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
I also recall reading that KE really wants to send cargo planes to MEX. I think it is just a matter of when not if.

would be a big business on the eastbound, for the westbound they should sign some interline-agreements to get feeder from Latam.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
maybe AM and KE should codeshare on KE's NRT-ICN too.

can imagine that its on the action list.
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RE: Korean Air Adds 6 Asian Cities; 17 EU Codeshare

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting Watewate (Reply 3):
Being the homer that I am, KE really should increase the frequency on the YYZ route...

I myself have wondered about that. The YYZ-ICN route is always jammed packed, and with the heavy cargo demand I dont see why the flight isnt 5-6x weekly if not daily.
 
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Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:08 pm

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 33):
The YYZ-ICN route is always jammed packed, and with the heavy cargo demand I dont see why the flight isnt 5-6x weekly if not daily.

I don't think the current bi laterals allow them to operate more than 2-3 weekly flights otherwise i'm sure they would.