ricardofg
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Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:50 am

Source - YYZnews.com

AeroMexico (AM/AMX)
Toronto Added ---applied to the CTA for an amendment to their current license for the authority to add international scheduled service. The CTA has granted the application under the terms of the current air agreement between Mexico and Canada. AeroMexico plan to begin a daily 737-700 service just before Christmas period, but schedule details are not yet available.

This was talked about earlier in the year but it never happened but it finally looks like AM is back in YYZ. Good competition for AC and MX

[Edited 2006-11-01 23:52:05]
 
flyb
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:16 am

Great to see this new routing.
 
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:59 am

This are great news!! Go MX and AM on the MEX-Canada battle!!! I read this week that after the US, Mexico is the 2nd most visited country choosen by Canadians same thing goes for more US people travelling to Canada than Mexico but that in 2 years will probably end and things will turn different.

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EddieDude
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting RicardoFG (Thread starter):
just before Christmas period

I am very happy that AM is finally re-adding YYZ to its routemap. What I cannot understand is that, just like TIJ-NRT, MEX-YYZ is about to start imminently, but no announcements (let alone advertisements) have been yet made. I bet most travel agents are not aware of this new flight.

In any case, I hope AM will do well on this route. Too bad I was in Toronto already and have no plans to visit again soon.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
I am very happy that AM is finally re-adding

I was just going to say.....I could have sworn I've seen a few of their airbi' when I've flown into YYZ.
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting YWG (Reply 4):
I was just going to say.....I could have sworn I've seen a few of their airbi' when I've flown into YYZ.

I think you mean MX because IIRC AM doesn't have airbi'

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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:48 pm

Indeed. The Airbuses are MX's. MX is flying once daily MEX-YYZ-MEX with an A319.

AM's fleet is composed of MD-80s, 737s (-700 and -800s with blended winglets), 752s, 767ERs (-200s and one -300) and 772ERs.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
ricardofg
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:19 pm

Quoting YWG (Reply 4):
.....I could have sworn I've seen a few of their airbi' when I've flown into YYZ

Yea just like everyone said, it was probably MX...however AM did serve YYZ last year, once weekly (Saturdays i believe) CUN-YYZ-CUN doing charters on behalf of Sunwing vacations. They operated B737-700, however this will be daily sked...very excited...with Flyglobespan, Cubana IL-96, AM daily, the return of Canjet this week, and Caribbean Airlines, its gonna be fun spotting at YYZ over the next few weeks!
 
yow
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:47 am

I see Sunwing are chartering AM out of YWG and YYC this winter.
 
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:51 am

This is a bit of topic, but does AeroMexico even codeshare with Air Canada.
 
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:10 am

No, no codeshare. MX and AC used to have a codeshare and mileage accrual/redemption agreement which survived MX's separation from Star Alliance. However, the agreement was terminated in the first or second quarter of this year. Once AM enters the market, it will be a three-way competition between (i) the incumbent carrier AC (Star Alliance); (ii) MX (somehow aligned now with oneworld; and (iii) new entrant AM (SkyTeam).
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
ATLFlyer323
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 7):
the return of Canjet this week,

May I ask what you mean by this? Is CanJet relaunching, or are you talking about their charters?

Sorry for getting off topic.

Thanks,
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ricardofg
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 11):
May I ask what you mean by this? Is CanJet relaunching, or are you talking about their charters?

Sorry for getting off topic.

Thanks,
Brandon

Yes! Canjet actually had there first flight this morning with there new charter flights. They fly again tomorrow to CCC i believe.
 
YYCowboy
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:06 am

Hmmmmm, pondering here.
Are Mexican carriers catering to the Canadian tourist traffic, or buisness?
Is there any Mexican alive who is willing to travel to Canada in the winter? How does Mexican carriers stack up against Canadian carriers?
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EddieDude
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:07 pm

Hello Cowboy, welcome to a.net. I see you are fairly new, and I hope you will enjoy reading the threads and posting your comments and opinions.

I think most tourists would fly Air Transat and AC because of their non-stop flights to Mexican resorts. Or AM and MX's charter flights.

I am sure the number of Mexicans going to Canada during the cold season drops dramatically. Perhaps students going home and back to Canada and some businesspeople.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:32 am

Quoting YYCowboy (Reply 13):
Is there any Mexican alive who is willing to travel to Canada in the winter?

Dont forget AM will be offering winter trips to Edmonton this winter with the 737-700 as charters catered directly at Mexican tourists by a Mexican tour operator (the same one who offered the summer charters here).They get a full list of activity's to do and also get a 2 day trip to Jasper/Marmot basin.The summer flights were full and they expect the same for the winter.
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EddieDude
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:40 am

There will be many tourists interested in going to the Rockies for skiing but the total number of Mexican tourists to all of Canada vis-à-vis the summer tourists will definitely be lower. Maybe some will want to try the ice hotel in Quebec but probably not many.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:08 am

Congratulations to AM on another new North America Route! I wish them the best of luck. Has anyone heard what other new routes they will be starting in the recent future other than the very important and vital MEX-TIJ-NRT-TIJ-MEX route and other's mentioned to ORD, DTW, SAT etc.?

Slightly off topic, what routes are AM utilizing the 738 on? I heard and read something a short time ago, they were going to replace the 752 on MEX-JFK-MEX and replace it with a 738. Is this true? Isn't that a significant step down since that's a high yield/load factor route?

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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:17 am

I am not sure when DTW will be started. I hope soon.

As for JFK, AM is doing 3 daily flights, 2 with 752's and 1 with 738W so it is actually an upgrade. The problem will be when AM retires more 752's and goes down to 2x daily.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
laca773
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 18):
As for JFK, AM is doing 3 daily flights, 2 with 752's and 1 with 738W so it is actually an upgrade. The problem will be when AM retires more 752's and goes down to 2x daily.

Eddie, thanks for the information. I always enjoy reading your postings and threads.
What other routes do you think they'll use the 738 on? LAX? SJO? SAL? BOG? How many 738s will they be getting?

LACA773
 
EddieDude
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:03 am

Hey LACA773, thanks for the reply. How's all in Santa Monica?

AM promised a South American expansion in 2007 but nothing has yet been disclosed. As you know, at the moment AM only flies to LIM (737W), GRU (combo of 772ER and 762ERs) and SCL (762ERs and 763ER). I think in the short term will see the 738s in MTY, JFK and perhaps LAX only. If I am not mistaken, AM will only have 2 by the end of the year, with a few more coming later. In any case, it will not be a large subfleet... at least I think most pending deliveries are -700Ws. I am sure Ghost will be able to shed more light on this issue.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
yow
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:55 am

Does anyone know why AM operates BOS only 1x weekly? The aircraft arrives on a Friday and departs on a Sunday, so I imagine the 73G just sits around BOS all day on Saturdays.
 
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:05 pm

LACA, Eddie Dude,

I believe Mexicana is adding their 3rd flight to JFK next April. They are doing extemely well there and Aeromexico has been cancelling flights and downgrading equipment. Maybe someone can confirm this.

Will Mexicana also start DTW service. I thought I read a thread on this ??
 
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting YOW (Reply 21):
Does anyone know why AM operates BOS only 1x weekly? The aircraft arrives on a Friday and departs on a Sunday, so I imagine the 73G just sits around BOS all day on Saturdays

AM was not successful with daily flights (I blame it on the schedules and the lack of connectivity), so they are now only flying to BOS once weekly to reposition planes otherwise used for charters to CUN.

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 22):
I believe Mexicana is adding their 3rd flight to JFK next April. They are doing extemely well there and Aeromexico has been cancelling flights and downgrading equipment.

MX started this flight with a 752 and now they are sending 2 A318s because the 752 fleet is being retired. I am very glad they will add a third flight. As for AM, I am not sure when they stopped or will stop the third daily flight (usually they have done 2x daily with the third one being seasonal). Last time I checked, they were sending two 752s and one 738, which seems like very good capacity to me. As for flight cancellations, I am really not aware but maybe someone else can let us know. Based upon my experiences in MEX-JFK, I like AM a bit better, but that is a subjective opinion I guess.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
I think most tourists would fly Air Transat and AC because of their non-stop flights to Mexican resorts. Or AM and MX's charter flights.

They are sending their A310 to CUN, saw it last august.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 23):
MX started this flight with a 752 and now they are sending 2 A318s because the 752 fleet is being retired.

MX is sending again their 752, but with the fleet shortage of the 752´s, it´s only a matter of time to see more buses and the routes to grow.

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laca773
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 20):
Hey LACA773, thanks for the reply. How's all in Santa Monica?

AM promised a South American expansion in 2007 but nothing has yet been disclosed. As you know, at the moment AM only flies to LIM (737W), GRU (combo of 772ER and 762ERs) and SCL (762ERs and 763ER). I think in the short term will see the 738s in MTY, JFK and perhaps LAX only. If I am not mistaken, AM will only have 2 by the end of the year, with a few more coming later. In any case, it will not be a large subfleet... at least I think most pending deliveries are -700Ws. I am sure Ghost will be able to shed more light on this issue.

Hey Eddie,
Thanks for responding to me. Things are fine here in Santa Monica (it will soon be an all non-smoking city for all of your information). Weather has been really nice, highs 60s-low 70s. How are things there?

I was on Flightaware earlier and was checking things out and noticed the following regarding AM's 738s.

ORD-MEX
For Saturday 4 November 2006.
#683 0853 73G
#687 220p 738
#689 0234 738

JFK-MEX
For Saturday 4 November 2006.
#405 0952 738
#409 310p 738
#403 553p 752

Now we know where AM is deploying the 738s to for the time being. I thought they might send one ocasionally to LAX but so far nothing.

LACA773
 
oakjam
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RE: Aeromexico To Launch MEX-YYZ Service

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:18 am

What ever happened to AM's application and the possible start of MLM-OAK, OAK-MLM. Could AM give MX a shot at competition on the OAK-GDL route? Now that ZE has left the Oakland Airport, AM has ticket counter space.

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