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If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:12 pm

I felt a little bad for hijacking Austrian To Cut 700-1000jobs And Get Rid Of A330s so I started this new thread.

So what if US were to get all four of the 332s that OS is returning to ILFC and were able to have them online for next summer? What cities or routes would they be on? Would they get a new interior? Would this affect the current 332 order with Airbus?

This was my idea from the last thread about their possible usage.

I see two going to PHX for PHX-FRA and PHX-LGW.
The third would go to PHL for PHL-ATH.
The fourth would fly BTW PHX-PHL-SJU, replacing the 333 on the PHL-SJU route. This 332 would act as the spare for the system. Going PHL to SJU in the morning. Coming back to PHL in the early afternoon. It would be in PHL long enough to ensure it would not be needed and then head to PHX to back up their two European flights. Then coming back to PHL as a red eye.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:16 pm

Like what I said in the other thread... Do you really think a 332 between PHX-PHL would be a rational use of an airplane on the route? That seems to be massive overkill, even for the connection to SJU. If anything, wouldn't they want to free up a 767 and maybe use a 767 on the PHX-PHL-SJU route, and use the 332 for a better route? Maybe somehow work it out so an airport like MUC could get long overdue year round 330 service.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:31 pm

The idea is that you need a spare A/C in the system due to how costly it is to cancel a international flight. Having a 332 going between the major international hubs daily would ensure that there would be a spare set up if it were needed. One other advantage to this would be to swap A/C from the west system to the east for scheduled maintenance reasons.

I can remember a few times that the PIT-FRA, LGW or CDG flight would be delayed for almost five hours while the spare A/C (be it a 762 or 333) was ferried in to replace it. The reason it always took so long was that by the time they realized they needed a new A/C and got it in it took over 3 hours, normally. Just think if you were in PHX with a broken bird and had to wait for the replacement A/C to fly from PHL. The delays could go up to 8-10 hours.

Having a extra A/C like the 332 floating about the system that could do any route that US flies would be a good thing.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:53 pm

I'm still surprised at the idea of an A330 working between PHL-PHX. There is simply no way that flight would ever get near to filling up. I understand your reasons for it, but I find it hard to believe they'll fly around an aircraft that will be at best, 3/4ths full for two flights a day. Though this is good news for those of us that try to nonrev in and out of PHX on the East system if it does come into realization.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:15 pm

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 3):
I'm still surprised at the idea of an A330 working between PHL-PHX. There is simply no way that flight would ever get near to filling up.

The difference in seats between the A321s that are currently running between PHL and PHX and the 332 is not that much. There are 24C and 235Y on OS 332, on the 321s US flies there are 26F and 143Y. So really there is only a gain of 90 seats or so. With the way flights are out of PHL to PHX those seats would help out alot, especially on bad weather days when there are lots of misconnects.

The other question is what would the 333 that is currently the backup A/C do?
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:43 pm

I hope that SK will pick up those birds and put them on CPH-SFO, ARN-BKK, CPH-HKG and other interesting routes.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:05 pm

Interesting. US could use these birds. PW engines just like US has.

PHL-ATH apparently needs it, as well as 1 more big PHL flight. So that's 2.

To run PHX-FRA, you need 2 planes, 1 for the flight and 1 for backup. They could put the backup on Hawaii duty and cancel that, should a 332 break.

I doubt they will do it, but you never know.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:24 pm

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 6):
Interesting. US could use these birds. PW engines just like US has.

PHL-ATH apparently needs it, as well as 1 more big PHL flight. So that's 2.

To run PHX-FRA, you need 2 planes, 1 for the flight and 1 for backup. They could put the backup on Hawaii duty and cancel that, should a 332 break.

I doubt they will do it, but you never know.

Why not, use the 332 on the sched European services, and float around a 767? They already use the 767 between PHL and CLT, PHL and PHX wouldn't be too far fetched. They way if an airplane breaks down the floating 767 picks up the slack, a downgrade but how often do we expect the airplanes to break down?
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:20 pm

Running 3 A330's between HNL-PHX-PHL and FRA-PHX if timed correctly effectively keeps a spare between the US West and US East system at all times.

As far as not filling the aircraft up between PHX-PHL - the goal of the capacity is not an increase in seats between the two - it's a means to rotating an aircraft.

I doubt they would do this though - PHX-FRA, yes, but they'll take the risk on the spare aircraft. My bet is PHX-HNL would get 767 and something else would get A330 upgrade.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
I see two going to PHX for PHX-FRA and PHX-LGW.

US Airways just recently said they have no plans to offer PHX-Europe flights anytime soon.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 9):
US Airways just recently said they have no plans to offer PHX-Europe flights anytime soon.

That was before four 332s unexpectedly came on the market. The reason the had no plans to run it was because the wouldn't have anything to run it on until 2009.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:39 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 7):
Why not, use the 332 on the sched European services, and float around a 767? They already use the 767 between PHL and CLT, PHL and PHX wouldn't be too far fetched. They way if an airplane breaks down the floating 767 picks up the slack, a downgrade but how often do we expect the airplanes to break down?

The problem with using a 762 is that it would not be able to cover the PHX-Europe flights.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:12 am

Everyone knows that if US were to get the OS 332s it would mean the return of all European flights to PIT!  Smile PIT-FRA, PIT-LGW, PIT-CDG . . .

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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
The third would go to PHL for PHL-ATH.

actually they are running the 333 between PHL-ATH

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 1):
Do you really think a 332 between PHX-PHL would be a rational use of an airplane on the route?

No, thats why they have 762's.

Has nobody thought they could open up an Asian route to KIX or somewhere else. Maybe NRT if they could get a slot.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 13):
actually they are running the 333 between PHL-ATH

The PHL-ATH flight is scheduled to be on a 762. The 333 idea was part of the first announcement on Airliners, but it turned out to be incorrect. PHL-ATH is a stretch for US's 762s, and even for the 333. The flight will end up being like PHL-FCO, heavily weight restricted and almost all ways leaving FCO with empty seats in oder to take all the cargo.
Putting a 332 on this route would ensure that all the seats would be filled and all the cargo would go also.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 13):
No, thats why they have 762's.

As I stated earlier the 762 would not be a good spare because it can not do PHX-Europe. The entire purpose of running a heavy to PHX is to backup any European routes the would decide to open

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 13):
Has nobody thought they could open up an Asian route to KIX or somewhere else. Maybe NRT if they could get a slot.

US will not go to Asia until they take delivery of the 350 of 787, or at least until they get the 10 332s on order.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 14):
US will not go to Asia until they take delivery of the 350 of 787, or at least until they get the 10 332s on order.

but if they get these 332's they could operate 1 flight.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 2):
Just think if you were in PHX with a broken bird and had to wait for the replacement A/C to fly from PHL. The delays could go up to 8-10 hours.

But if you were in PHX with a u/s aircraft, it would be better not to have an A330 in the system. There will surely be A319/A320's sat around as backup.

What happens if the A330 goes u/s in PHX and another one goes u/s in PHL, you then have no backup aircraft in PHL to operate the international flight, which with EU rules on compensation for xxld or delayed flights will add up to a lot more than leaving an A330 on the ground all day.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:11 am

I'm not sure if a route from PHX to Europe would be profitable or not. I think European routes from LAS would be more profitable.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 2):
The idea is that you need a spare A/C in the system due to how costly it is to cancel a international flight.

OMG - the cost of keeping a plane around in case you need a spare is not economically feasible to say the lest.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:06 am

Quoting KingGeo3 (Reply 12):
Everyone knows that if US were to get the OS 332s it would mean the return of all European flights to PIT! PIT-FRA, PIT-LGW, PIT-CDG . . .

Ah - to dream!

Care if I share your dream? Oh, wait, I already do :-P

I would love to see any PIT-Euro service restored, particularly the PIT-FRA flight. Instead of using an A332 on this, I am sure US would fly the 767 as it did before.

PIT-LGW would also suffice, but US would likely put an ETOPS 757 on this one. Both would be welcome to the region, but FRA would be the more useful routing, given that most of the local businesses have European offices in Germany.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 18):
OMG - the cost of keeping a plane around in case you need a spare is not economically feasible to say the lest.

OMG- Then why do the do it now with the 333 that does PHL-SJU every day? US operates eight 333 flights a day, leaving one for a spare and due to regular maintenance. I know of numerous times over the years that the spare 333 was needed and used.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Thread starter):
This was my idea from the last thread about their possible usage.
I see two going to PHX for PHX-FRA and PHX-LGW.

Parker just stated during the Earnings Conference Call, that PHX-Europe would not happen until they acquired a 350 or 787. Also, stated in response to a direct ? was that there are no plans to fly into South America from CLT with the 332, because CLT could not support the required traffic. However, there was no indication that they would not attempt S.A. from another city.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 14):
The PHL-ATH flight is scheduled to be on a 762. The 333 idea was part of the first announcement on Airliners, but it turned out to be incorrect.

Actually, if you listened to the Earnings Call, Parker stated that a 757 and 333 would be used for BRU, ZRH and ATH - it was not something invented on airliners.net.. It would be highly improbable that US would use the 330 to Zurich or Brussels because of probable overcapacity. Where are you getting information that Athens will be a 767?
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 21):
Where are you getting information that Athens will be a 767?

After the initial announcement by A330323X it was announced that the ATH route would be on a 762.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:33 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 13):

actually they are running the 333 between PHL-ATH

The A333 is far from ideal for that route.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 18):
OMG - the cost of keeping a plane around in case you need a spare is not economically feasible to say the lest.

Meh, one is almost always out for something or other. Or do what NW does, keep some really old thing sitting around just in case....lol.

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 22):
After the initial announcement by A330323X it was announced that the ATH route would be on a 762.

A 762 or A332 makes far more sense anyhow.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 23):
A 762 or A332 makes far more sense anyhow.

Well they can't fly the 332 next year. Why does the 762 make far more sense than the 333?
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 22):
After the initial announcement by A330323X it was announced that the ATH route would be on a 762.

A300.. didn't "announce" anything - he quoted the conference call. If you don't mind my asking, what is your reference for the 762 announcement which supposidly occurred AFTER the conference call (the original announcement)?
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:17 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 25):
A300.. didn't "announce" anything - he quoted the conference call.

When I said "announced" I said have said "broke the news on airliners"



Quoting Vega (Reply 25):
what is your reference for the 762 announcement which supposidly occurred AFTER the conference call (the original announcement)?

DOT APP

Scroll down to #4
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 26):
Quoting Vega (Reply 25):
what is your reference for the 762 announcement which supposidly occurred AFTER the conference call (the original announcement)?

DOT APP

Scroll down to #4

I'm familiar with the filing.
That filing was made 2 days BEFORE Parker made the statement during the Conference Call.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 27):
That filing was made 2 days BEFORE Parker made the statement during the Conference Call.

Perhaps Parker misspoke, I don't know. For right now I am going with what was filed with the DOT. We will have to wait and see when the official announcement from US comes or when the flight is in SABRE.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 28):
Perhaps Parker misspoke, I don't know. For right now I am going with what was filed with the DOT. We will have to wait and see when the official announcement from US comes or when the flight is in SABRE.

The point is not if Parker misspoke, it's that no announcement was issued as you implied after the fact refuting his statement ("After the initial announcement by A330323X it was announced that the ATH route would be on a 762"). It's entirely possible that US would use the 762 instead of the 333, especially if the mods were done to increase it's range before next May. As I mentioned in other threads, my feeling is the 333 would give US a competetive advantage over DL on the JFK-ATH route. Otherwise US is competing against a completely refurbished 763. Regarding the DOT filing; the aircraft designation can and frequently does change from the time of filing to the actual start date. Some filings in fact are made years in advance.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:57 am

If US were to pick up these A/C, it would be best to use them on
routes that are currently the longest and most weight restricted.

So that would mean PHL-FCO and PHL-ATH for starters. Then they
would probably have to put one on a short PHL-T/A flight such as
DUB so that two A/C could make 2 Daily roundtrip T/A flights.

If they wanted to operate all 4 on daily trans-Atlantic flights, then a
second short T/A flight like MAN would be likely. Or they can have
the 4th RON at PHL and make the daily SJU route in the morning that
one of their 333s does; thus freeing that plane up for a heavier demand
route currently served by a 762.

This would give US better utilization of the A/C that PHX-Europe flights
would. However, if US could get slots at NRT, then these 4 A/C could
make 2 daily Tokyo runs and 2 daily Hawaii runs from LAS and/or PHX.
But then there is no spare A/C if one goes in for Mx issues.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:27 pm

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 30):
Then they would probably have to put one on a short PHL-T/A flight such asDUB so that two A/C could make 2 Daily roundtrip T/A flights.

They are definitely not going to waste an A332 on PHL-DUB. That route will be downgraded to an ETOPS 752 effective next summer, with an offseason PHL-DUB-SNN triangle flight planned.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 27):
I'm familiar with the filing.
That filing was made 2 days BEFORE Parker made the statement during the Conference Call.



Quoting Jdwfloyd (Reply 28):
Perhaps Parker misspoke, I don't know. For right now I am going with what was filed with the DOT. We will have to wait and see when the official announcement from US comes or when the flight is in SABRE.

And in the most recent statement, Ed Bular has told the pilots that it'll be a 333. For what it's worth.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:01 am

I think we should pick up a few of these A332s in order to sate the international growth until we get 350s (hopefully 787s instead).

I do, however, think it is a horrible idea to put the spare plane on Hawaii duty, think how far away the spare would be if one broke in athens and the other was in maui. Not a good idea, I think the spare would run the east coast down to florida or further south in the islands.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 33):
I do, however, think it is a horrible idea to put the spare plane on Hawaii duty, think how far away the spare would be if one broke in athens and the other was in maui. Not a good idea, I think the spare would run the east coast down to florida or further south in the islands.

If you're going to do PHX-Europe, you do need a backup 332 in Phoenix. Whether it goes to Hawaii, Kansas City or just a trip to/from PHL doesn't really matter, as long as it's subordinate to the Europe flight at departure time.

With a spare 333 in PHL already, there is no need for a 332 spare there.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 34):
If you're going to do PHX-Europe, you do need a backup 332 in Phoenix. Whether it goes to Hawaii, Kansas City or just a trip to/from PHL doesn't really matter, as long as it's subordinate to the Europe flight at departure time.

With a spare 333 in PHL already, there is no need for a 332 spare there.

Ok, so if there is already an A333 in PHL, then the A332(s) will go to PHX considering they get it/them? I can see PHX-Hawaii or PHX-PHL-ATH as well. Then as soon as US takes the A350 or the 787, they'd do PHX-LGW or FRA, correct?
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:20 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 34):
With a spare 333 in PHL already, there is no need for a 332 spare there.

Why have two spares in the system when on could possibly do the job? I am not sure if they could get the timing down on the flights but I am sure they would rather utilize the extra 333 for a route.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 18):
OMG - the cost of keeping a plane around in case you need a spare is not economically feasible to say the lest.

Someone better tell the airline industry, as it's been SOP for years at hubs.

Quoting Mah584jr (Reply 17):
I'm not sure if a route from PHX to Europe would be profitable or not. I think European routes from LAS would be more profitable.

Actually, it's not a profitable route, as LAS is a low yield route (Even though airlines have high load factors, LAS is one of the top cities for FF award travel). VS does operate LGW-LAS on a daily basis, but only operates LAS-LGW 6 times a week (no return flight on Saturday). BD does a several times a week service out of MAN. MAXJet starts twice a week service this month between LAS and STN. Flyglobespan annouced Glasgow-Las Vegas but dropped the planned route last month due to low bookings. There is also several times a week charter service from MyTravel and Condor as well.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:23 am

Given these airplanes are young, well maintained & have a Business Class cabin its a great idea. Austrian has 5 or 6 A332, just the numer US needs for teh next few years. They also have P and W engines like US's A333's. USair should also look at Air Canada's A333, with Rolls engines they are not as good as P&W engined planes but still have a good provenance.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:36 am

As there been any official speculation from anyone high up or any rumors buzzing around the office lately? I really want to believe this is too good for US to pass up.
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 39):
As there been any official speculation from anyone high up or any rumors buzzing around the office lately?

I talk to my buddy that works in Tempe for US and he said that they are talking with brokers about it this week.
 
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RE: If US Were To Get The OS 332s?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:20 am

the phl ath route will be flown by an a330. it was filed under the dot as a 767 for filing purposes. but it will be flown using the a330. bru will be a 757 and zur will be a 767. i had a talk with parker myself on fri in phx when they were dedicating the america west heritage plane. he also told me that it is a huge possibilty that we may not even start the service at all since the city of phl is not cooperating with airways on supplying gates so that we can start the new service. they are more interested in moving delta to the a gates so that wn can expand in the e gates. i guess they want another flt to bdl rather than new flts to europe. parker's pretty pissed about this and can't belive that an inlt airport would rather welcome more domestic service than new inlt service. to phl defense though he said that they thought airways was a gonner so they promised wn more gates. but airways is still here and not going anywhere so now the city is in a bind as to what to do.

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Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos