ShortSquat
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Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:35 am

With Delta inaugurating its new JFK to Mumbia, India flight tonight, would this become Delta's longest nonstop route?

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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:37 am

Maybe ATL-TLV is longer, no? I am not sure.
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:49 am

I don't believe so, MEACEDAR, as TLV is in a region the 777 would overfly (Middle East). Still, that is one long flight!
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:54 am

JFK-BOM is much longer, according to gc.kls2.com

JFK-BOM-6777nm
ATL-TLV-5594nm
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:04 am

Wouldn't Delta From ATL to ICN be the Longest???
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting KE086 (Reply 4):
Wouldn't Delta From ATL to ICN be the Longest???


according to gc.kls2.com
ATL-ICN-6215nm
JFK-ICN-6001 nm
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting Shortsquat (Thread starter):
With Delta inaugurating its new JFK to Mumbia, India flight tonight, would this become Delta's longest nonstop route?

Mispelling: Its Mumbai & not Mumbia.
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:46 am

None of DL's other current or proposed flights even come close, with the exception of ATL-DXB.
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:06 am

I was tracking it last night, watching it's progress.

Funny, the new track flight lets you see the route and the plan overlayed from a Google Earth/Map picture.

The blue line yesterday on DL 16 deviated from the orange line (not sure if that means anything), but was cool to watch. Especially since I looked at it last night before I went to bed (10:00 PM) and when I woke up it was still going.

I wonder how often this route will have to stop en route for fuel situations, medical emergencies, etc. EWR-HKG is 12,900 km and JFK-BOM is 12,500 km on simarly equipped aircraft - so I am really curious how often it will get diverted.
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
None of DL's other current or proposed flights even come close, with the exception of ATL-DXB.

Wow!!! That is great that Delta is thinking about opening ATL-DXB, it is better than JFK-DXB because it would be hard to defeat EK, I think. Go DL!!
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:42 am

ATL-JNB via DKR thats pretty far.
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 9):
Wow!!! That is great that Delta is thinking about opening ATL-DXB, it is better than JFK-DXB because it would be hard to defeat EK, I think. Go DL!!

No arguement there. Its the same point that people make when talking about UA at SFO vs. LAX. There is so much more competition at LAX with all the foreign carriers. Same is true for ATL and JFK. JFK-BOM is without question the longest route on DL. ATL-DXB is close but misses it by about 200 miles. ATL-ICN is about 750 miles shorter.
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 9):
Wow!!! That is great that Delta is thinking about opening ATL-DXB, it is better than JFK-DXB because it would be hard to defeat EK, I think. Go DL!!

They aren't thinking about it - it's been announced, and will start early next summer.
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:02 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 10):
ATL-JNB via DKR thats pretty far.

It is no farther than the now replaced JFK then ATL-CDG-BOM and JFK-CDG-MAA (no finished) routes.

Now.... We just need ATL-LAX-SYD and CVG-LAX-AKL on a 764.........
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:25 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
JFK-BOM is without question the longest route on DL. ATL-DXB is close but misses it by about 200 miles. ATL-ICN is about 750 miles shorter.

Big version: Width: 481 Height: 241 File size: 6kb
ATL-DXB=7600miles JFK-BOM=7800miles

ATL-PER, Australia would take the cake over and over again!
Big version: Width: 481 Height: 241 File size: 6kb
Atlanta-Perth: 9779 nautical miles!

But it is highly doubtful such a route will ever be flown for commercial passenger traffic.
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting Shortsquat (Thread starter):
With Delta inaugurating its new JFK to Mumbia, India flight tonight, would this become Delta's longest nonstop route?

Yes.

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 10):
ATL-JNB via DKR thats pretty far.

Answer here....:

Quoting Shortsquat (Thread starter):
Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting Manny (Reply 6):
Mispelling: Its Mumbai & not Mumbia.

I thought it was spelled it BOMBAY!
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
I thought it was spelled it BOMBAY!

Once upon a time it was that way. Kind of like Beijing was once known as Peking.
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
Quoting Manny (Reply 6):
Mispelling: Its Mumbai & not Mumbia.

I thought it was spelled it BOMBAY!

BOMBAY was the old name. The name was changed a few years ago to MUMBAI.
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:49 pm

really wonder y new york and now atlanta have non stops to dubai?? Do these cities even have large arab populations. I know that detroit has the largest arab population in the country and yet no non-stops from dtw????
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 3:33 pm

Quoting Manny (Reply 18):

BOMBAY was the old name. The name was changed a few years ago to MUMBAI.

And I am here following the post, in the back of my mind trying to picture where in India is Mumbai. So it is Bombay with a changed name. Where was I when this all happened. HEHE

That would be the longest in DL system right now I think.
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:20 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 7):
None of DL's other current or proposed flights even come close, with the exception of ATL-DXB.



Quoting Walter747 (Reply 10):
ATL-JNB via DKR thats pretty far.

When DL's 772LR's come online, it is presumable that they will switch ATL-JNB over to a non-stop, since the 772LR has the range to run that without DKR. DL has talked a lot about asian expansion. I don't think an ATL-HKG is entirely unreasonable to expect in the next 5-8 years.

ATL-JNB: 7,334 nm
ATL-HKG: 7,298 nm
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting B4real (Reply 8):
Funny, the new track flight lets you see the route and the plan overlayed from a Google Earth/Map picture.

out of curiousity: which flight tracker would that be?
300 310 319/20/21 332/3 343 AT4/7 143 B19 732/3/4/5/G/8/9 742/4 752/3 763/4 77E/W CR2/7/9 D95 E45/70 F50 F70 100 M11 M90
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:34 pm

the one at delta.com
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21):
When DL's 772LR's come online, it is presumable that they will switch ATL-JNB over to a non-stop, since the 772LR has the range to run that without DKR.

Long-term, yes, but I believe once DL get's their first 2 77Ls, they will use them to add another new destination from ATL, most likely HKG, and then convert either ATL-JNB or JFK-BOM to a 77L, depending on which route would offer the more promising yields and cargo loads.
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:34 pm

Quoting B4real (Reply 13):
Now.... We just need ATL-LAX-SYD and CVG-LAX-AKL on a 764.........

Except of course that the 764 would splash down somewhere between RAR and AKL.
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting Manny (Reply 18):
Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
Quoting Manny (Reply 6):
Mispelling: Its Mumbai & not Mumbia.

I thought it was spelled it BOMBAY!

BOMBAY was the old name. The name was changed a few years ago to MUMBAI.

India has been changing a lot of their city names to reflect what these cities were locally known in the past prior to the era of colonialism.

Bombay = Mumbai
Madras = Chennai
Calcutta = Kolkata
Bangalore = Bengaluru (name change just approved)

and so on....
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:15 pm

It indeed is one hell of a long flight. Imagine the condition of the passengers especially in "Y" when they arrive at their destinations! I am sure they wouldn't want to step on to another plane atleast for some time

Too bad the Delta flight lands in BOM at night; else would have been a really nice pic to add to my collection!  Smile

Now, lets wait for AI to start its non-stop services to the US when it gets the 772LRs next year!!
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:14 pm

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 26):
India has been changing a lot of their city names to reflect what these cities were locally known in the past prior to the era of colonialism.

Bombay = Mumbai
Madras = Chennai
Calcutta = Kolkata
Bangalore = Bengaluru (name change just approved)

Something China also did a few years ago (The early 1980s I believe).
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 23):
the one at delta.com

Is Delta the only airline with a flight tracking map? That is cool since FlightAware.com doesn't track flights beyond North America!
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:00 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
I thought it was spelled it BOMBAY!



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 17):
Once upon a time it was that way. Kind of like Beijing was once known as Peking.



Quoting Captaink (Reply 20):
And I am here following the post, in the back of my mind trying to picture where in India is Mumbai. So it is Bombay with a changed name. Where was I when this all happened. HEHE

Just for the records, it happened way back in 1997 or '98.....and it's not just a different spelling, it's a different name altogether....Bombay was a name given by Portuguese colonialists couple of hundred years back, whereas Mumbai is the traditional name of the city all along, named after a local diety... smile 
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:52 am

what about atl-nrt that has to bee over 7000 NM
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting FLLspoter (Reply 31):
what about atl-nrt that has to bee over 7000 NM

Nope, its 5953 nm.

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=a...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 20):



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 30):
Just for the records, it happened way back in 1997 or '98..

It happened in 1995 per Wikipedia.

Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbai
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
Except of course that the 764 would splash down somewhere between RAR and AKL.

The 764 is fully capable of HNL-SYD or HNL-AKL.
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 34):
The 764 is fully capable of HNL-SYD or HNL-AKL.

I know I harp on it all the time, but DL should totally start service from HNL-SYD or AKL. From HNL they can use the 767 variety and have good conection points from LAX, SFO, SLC, ATL, and CVG.
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 34):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
Except of course that the 764 would splash down somewhere between RAR and AKL.

The 764 is fully capable of HNL-SYD or HNL-AKL.

AH! It's my own fault!!!!

Quoting B4real (Reply 13):
Now.... We just need ATL-LAX-SYD and CVG-LAX-AKL on a 764.........

I meant ATL-HNL-SYD and CVG-HNL-AKL.

Sorry all!!!!
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21):

When DL's 772LR's come online, it is presumable that they will switch ATL-JNB over to a non-stop, since the 772LR has the range to run that without DKR.

I sincerely doubt it. The DKR stop should prove valuable on its own.

Quoting B4real (Reply 34):
The 764 is fully capable of HNL-SYD or HNL-AKL.

Not fully. Capable, maybe, but not without some serious restriction.

NS
 
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 37):
Not fully. Capable, maybe, but not without some serious restriction.

NS

Are you sure? Not to ding you - as you are one of the best here. I (actually) checked the performance of the 764 on this website and it has the range at: HNL-SYD 5066 miles (4406 nautical miles) from great circle and 5070 miles from WebFlyer MileMarker and those both jive to the 5580nm range on this website for the 764.

Please advise!
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:55 am

I was paying attention to DLs flight tracker for DL16 and it appears that they flew over Iran and Iraq. I would have thought the a US flag carrier would have been forbidden to go through these countries' airspace, either by the US or by the country itself, especially Iran knowing how much they like the US.
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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 26):
India has been changing a lot of their city names to reflect what these cities were locally known in the past prior to the era of colonialism.

Bombay = Mumbai
Madras = Chennai
Calcutta = Kolkata
Bangalore = Bengaluru (name change just approved)

and so on....

William Safire did a pretty entertaining column about this in the Times magazine in August. Link here (Requires free NYT registration. Or you can google it.)

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RE: Delta's Longest Nonstop: JFK-Mumbai?

Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 39):
was paying attention to DLs flight tracker for DL16 and it appears that they flew over Iran and Iraq. I would have thought the a US flag carrier would have been forbidden to go through these countries' airspace, either by the US or by the country itself, especially Iran knowing how much they like the US.

I was watching the flight plan and it said that, but the flight tracker showed it just North of Iraq but over Iran.
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