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Europe-Australia NonStop?

Fri Jul 07, 2000 8:46 pm

Does there exists any passanger airliner which could fly Nonstop from London to Sydney? Or would it be in production soon? I heared some thing about Locheed ideas to build such liner but it was more than a year ago. Do you now some thing about it or have any ideas about it?

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RE: Europe-Australia NonStop?

Fri Jul 07, 2000 8:48 pm

No commercial airliner (or planned airliner) can make the trip from London to Sydney. Expect to be one stopping for the foreseeable future.

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RE: Europe-Australia NonStop?

Fri Jul 07, 2000 8:56 pm

The two airliners which are in production with the best range are the A 340-500 and the B 777LR, but both won't be able to make it nonstop with passengers abord.
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RE: Europe-Australia NonStop?

Fri Jul 07, 2000 9:06 pm

Im sure a 747-400 on a delivery flight to Qantas managed London-Sydney nonstop.
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RE: Europe-Australia NonStop?

Fri Jul 07, 2000 10:53 pm

Yes, the first 747-400 delivered to Qantas flew London-Sydney nonstop, but this was empty and towed to the end of the runway at London, and fueled with a special high density fuel. Empty planes can also fly far further distances than the 'normal' operating weight range (that is normally quoted by a/c manufacturers)

AFAIK the aircraft arrived in Sydney with about 4 tons of fuel onboard (less that the min diversion fuel required on pax flights)

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RE: Europe-Australia NonStop?

Fri Jul 07, 2000 10:57 pm

Technically, a QANTAS 747-438, VH-OJ? made an LHR-SYD nonstop, but most extra weight was removed, and only a few airline personnel were on board. To add to that, extra fuel tanks were added. So that really doesn't count.

I remember hearing about an A340-1800. This plane eventually evolved into the A340-500, but as I recall the plane was to be even smaller than the A340-200, but to have longer range. The number comes from the planes ability to fly 18 hours, and easily do Europe-Oz non-stop. The plane was to give up cargo space, and have sleeper cabins on the lower level. Does anyone else remember this plane?

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RE: Europe-Australia NonStop?

Sat Jul 08, 2000 12:43 am

I don't remember the A340-1800, but I do remember at one point hearing about a Qantas plan to operate London - Perth nonstop using new/leased A340s. I guess the plan never came through. Maybe if Qantas goes through with an A340-500/777LR purchase, they could do this. But I expect passenger still enjoy going through Singapore's superb Changi airport. Anyway, who wants to sit on a plane for 18 hours! My butt is numb after the 14 hour LAX -SYD!
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Mystery A340

Sat Jul 08, 2000 9:58 pm

Do you guys mean the A340-8000? I had read that AI were launching it but then it all went quiet and they announced the -500 and -600 instead. The -8000 was to have been based on the A340-200 but with extra fuel tanks and would have had an 8000nm range (hence the name) when carrying a small payload of first and business passengers only (on zoo sorry economy class - they weigh too much). Some editorials have suggested QF should have ordered them to operate nonstop but QF would never have ordered Airbuses anyway!

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