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Can Someone Explain Airfare's To Me.

Fri Jul 07, 2000 10:10 pm

Try this, it is pretty funny...
Go to something like travelocity.com. That is where I went to try and schedule my flights for a business trip to San Jose California.

The dates I used are November 28 to December 1st from JFK to SJC. The initial fare that comes back is $1067. (this is on AA 255 JFK - SJC and AA 256 SJC - JFK)

Then I tried the trip from Stewart Airport (SWF) to SJC, but I used the any date option. I selected the days that I would be traveling and the system tells me that I can leave from Albany at a greatly reduced fare. So I select my flights, which end up being ALB - JFK, JFK ALB on the return on American Eagle and the same two flights listed above for the round trip between JFK and SJC. What absolutely kills me is that the air fare for this trip is only $218....

My question to everybody out there is this:
Why is it that when you add a sector like in this situation, are you getting charged less (almost $800 less... I would think it is the oposite... But anyway... I got a good fare, and thats all I care about.

RE: Can Someone Explain Airfare's To Me.

Fri Jul 07, 2000 10:23 pm

The reason is simple: Southwest Airlines. They fly from ALB-SJC, with one or two stops, but AA is trying to use predatory pricing to get SWA, so SWA pulls out.
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RE: Can Someone Explain Airfare's To Me.

Fri Jul 07, 2000 10:31 pm

I have made the experience that nobody can explain the "jungle" of airfares even not travel professionales.
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RE: Can Someone Explain Airfare's To Me.

Fri Jul 07, 2000 10:32 pm

Not quite. I'm one of the biggest fan's of WN and one of the biggest detractors of AA, but AA isn't doing any "predatory practice" here. And if anyone "pulls out" it would more likely be AA.

Predatory pricing means the predator (AA) is seeking out to destroy the "prey" (other airline). Usually the prey is a smaller, weaker airline. Southwest is neither. Southwest has lower operating costs and therefore can make a profit with a lower fare. Startups (the weak prey) usually have costs similar to AA's, and in cases where AA has moved in and operated at a loss (against Westpac and Vanguard), they can do this because they are financially stronger and can "outlast" the prey.

No, AA isn't practicing any kind of predatory pricing, they are just pricing to fill seats on a less popular route. I'd be the first to jump all over AA for predatory pricing, but all they are doing here is competing - fair and square.
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RE: Can Someone Explain Airfare's To Me.

Sat Jul 08, 2000 2:35 am

This raises another question. Since you want to fly from JFK to SJC, but you bought a ticket for ALB-JFK-SJC. Can you ignore the ALB-JFK flight and board at JFK for the JFK-SJC flight? I heard the airlines might cancel your ticket if you don't start your journey where you are suppossed to.
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RE: Can Someone Explain Airfare's To Me.

Sat Jul 08, 2000 2:57 am

I thought about doing that too, but flight reservations are binding - this means that if I miss the first flight, they will cancel ther rest. What I might do is when I get back to JFK on the return is just not show up to the flight to Albany... either way it is an hour and a half home, but if I do stay on for the Albany flight, it is another 500 frequent flier miles so... I am not sure what I will do.
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RE: Can Someone Explain Airfare's To Me.

Sat Jul 08, 2000 5:42 am

Keep in mind that, if you have any checked bags, they will be checked through to Albany whether you get on that flight or not. Also, if you drive to ALB for the departing flight, your car will be up there.

RE: Can Someone Explain Airfare's To Me.

Sat Jul 08, 2000 6:17 am

http://www.itasoftware.com/ this is the best way to get a cheap fare. First I usally use expedia.com to find whick dates are the cheapest then I go to the itasoftware site to find the cheapest ticket.
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RE: Can Someone Explain Airfare's To Me.

Sat Jul 08, 2000 7:33 am

The logic behind how airline fares really work is something known only to God; and even He's confused.

The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
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This May Help

Sat Jul 08, 2000 10:45 pm

Old item, but still funny. It's called "If Airlines Sold Paint"

Scenario #1 - Buying paint from a paint store...
Customer: Hi, how much is your paint?

Clerk: We have regular quality for $12 a gallon and premium for $18. How many gallons would you like?

Customer: Five gallons of regular quality, please.

Clerk: Great. That will be $60 plus tax.

Scenario #2 - Buying paint from an airline...
Customer: Hi, How much is your paint?

Clerk: Well, Sir, that all depends.

Customer: Depends on what?

Clerk: Actually, a lot of things.

Customer: How about giving me an average price?

Clerk: Wow, that's too hard a question. The lowest price is $9 a gallon, and we have 150 different prices up to $200 a gallon.

Customer: What's the difference in the paint?

Clerk: Oh, there isn't any difference, it's all the same paint.

Customer: Well, then, I'd like some of that $9 paint.

Clerk: Well, First I need to ask you a few questions. When do you intend to use it?

Customer: I want to paint tomorrow, on my day off.

Clerk: Sir, the paint for tomorrow is $200 paint.

Customer: What? When would I have to paint in order to get $9 paint?

Clerk: That would be in three weeks, but you will also have to agree to start painting before Friday of that week and continue painting until at least Sunday.

Customer: You've got to be kidding!

Clerk: Sir, we don't kid around here. Of course, I'll have to check to see if we have any of that paint available before I can sell it to you.

Customer: What do you mean check to see if you can sell it to me? You have shelves full of that stuff; I can see it right there.

Clerk: Just because you can see it doesn't mean that we have it. It may be the same paint, but we sell only a certain number of gallons on any given weekend. Oh, and by the way, the price just went up to $12.

Customer: You mean the price went up while we were talking?

Clerk: Yes sir. You see, we change prices and rules thousands of times a day, and since you haven't actually walked out of the store with your paint yet, we just decided to change. Unless you want the same thing to happen again, I would suggest you get on with your purchase. How many gallons do you want?

Customer: I don't know exactly. Maybe five gallons. Maybe I should buy six gallons just to make sure I have enough.

Clerk: Oh, no sir, you can't do that. If you buy the paint and then don't use it, you will be liable for penalties and possible confiscation of the paint you already have.

Customer: What?

Clerk: That's right. We can sell you enough paint to do your kitchen, bathroom, hall and north bedroom, but if you stop painting before you do the other bedroom, you will be in violation of our tariffs.

Customer: But what does it matter to you whether I use all of the paint? I already paid you for it!

Clerk: Sir, there's no point in getting upset; that's just the way it is. We make plans based upon the idea that you will use all of the paint, and when you don't, it just causes us all sorts of problems.

Customer: This is crazy! I suppose something terrible will happen if I don't keep painting until Sunday night?

Clerk: Yes sir, it will.

Customer: Well that does it! I am going somewhere else to buy paint!

Clerk: That won't do you any good, sir. We all have the same rules. You might as well just buy it here, while the price is now $13.50. Thanks for flying - I mean painting - with our airline.

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