CX889
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Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:06 am

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to air this out and ask for any similar experiences to what happened to me about 3 weeks ago.

I flew into JFK on Swiss International LX 016 from ZRH (great flight!) and right before Customs and Immigration Control, I took a photo of our A332 on the ramp (wonderful view at Terminal 4 by the way). I then put my camera back into its bag and then immediately saw the "No Photos/No Cellphone" sign. A Customs agent came right up to me and in a rather loud and intimidating voice, demanded that he see my camera. I complied and very politely and cooperatively showed him my digital planespotting photos from ZRH airport, inflight and landing at JFK. He then demanded that I delete them all, watching me as I did so. Then he took my camera and scrolled through more photos to make sure he didn't miss other photos (he did allow me to keep photos of window views during inflight). I had a ton of photos on that 512MB card because I was on vacation to Paris, Florence and Rome with my family. He gave me back the camera and said not to do this again.

Now before you guys jump down my throat, I want to say that I was not upset at this agent... he was merely doing his job to protect people like you and me. After thinking about this rather embarrassing experience (it happened in front of my wife and 2 very small boys), I knew I should not have taken the photo so close to the Custom and Immigration desks (but again, it was a great view of our LX A332 on the ramp and not a cloud in the sky! I guess the planespotting in me caused my lack of good judgement). And after thinking so more, I am upset that I lost/deleted some very good photos of ZRH airport (my 1st time there) and the cabin inside the A332, as well as more JFK ramp photos; and ultimately very upset at the terrorists and their acts that have made photographing at the airport so difficult these days. I know times have changed and you cannot do certain things when traveling by air that you used to be able to do (especially at JFK!).

Have you guys had any similar experiences? What were your thoughts at the time?

Thanks for letting me vent... I feel better now.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting Cx889 (Thread starter):

I am sorry to say that but you must have met the biggest MF at JFK airport.

Never ever in my live I would have given him my camera. Sorry for you to have such a bad ending of a obvious great vacation.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:42 am

You have the right to make an official complaint. He had an absolute right to tell you not to take photos IN the Customs and Immigration Halls, i.e. beyond the signs.

He may have been supported by some in management in not allowing you to take photos of the ramp, but there are many published photos from people who work at JFK.

What he had absolutely no right to do was delete any photos not taken at JFK. Basically he has destroyed your intellectual property and in doing so has both commited a criminal offence and exposed himself to civil action for damages in effectively censoring something over which he has no jurisdiction, i.e the ZRH and cabin shots.

His action is typical of the paranoia exhibited by some of the jobsworths at airports in the North Eastern USA.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:52 am

First of all, the ICE areas are Federal Authority, with it's own security rules under Federal Law and don't want any recording of info of their facilities for obious security (and privacy) reasons. In addition, The Port Authority of NY & NJ, who operates JFK, EWR, LGA and land facilities in the NYC Metro area, has strict laws as to the taking of photographs within their facilities also for security reasons. That also includes the PA Bus Terminal in NYC and near the enterances to the tunnels and bridges in their jurisdiction. This is to reduce the opportunities for terrorists to record info as to security systems and procedures at those facilities.
Still, he had no right to delete/cause you to delete any photos you took outside of other than PANYNJ or US Customs/Immigration facilities. I wish you could have asked for this cop's supervisor to clearify this before you had to delete your photos.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:08 am

LTBEWR, I'm not flaming you but if you, or anyone else in the US, can give me a logical, reasoned answer I'd be interested. BTW, I spent most of the 1990s working with various governments (including the US), airports (including the Port Authority), airlines and other authorities providing speakers, facilities and programmes for aviation security conferences.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
In addition, The Port Authority of NY & NJ, who operates JFK, EWR, LGA and land facilities in the NYC Metro area, has strict laws as to the taking of photographs within their facilities also for security reasons. That also includes the PA Bus Terminal in NYC and near the enterances to the tunnels and bridges in their jurisdiction. This is to reduce the opportunities for terrorists to record info as to security systems and procedures at those facilities.

As if there aren't literally millions of images available out there of all these facilities taken privately and commercially before and after 9/11.

How come it's OK for photos and footage of the facilities to be taken for tourist brochures, films, documentaries and how is it that staffers at, especially JFK and LGA publish photos in both news stand journals and on the Net.

How is it that aviation trade magazines publish up to date photos?

Don't the "authorities" realise that any terrorist can get hold of this up to date information as easily as info and pictures published pre 9/11.

The bridges are a laughable case in point. They aren't constantly changing, the plans for many of them are a matter of accessible public record and are contained in publications in libraries around the world. The security devices can easily be noted, or sketched, by someone being driven through the tunnels or across the bridges.

This is just a case of the powers that be wishing to be seen to be doing something whilst in reality they are doing nothing other than keeping the fear alive.

[Edited 2006-11-04 17:17:18]
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:14 am

The officer is an idiot and I hope he has a terrible life and afterlife.

I was took a photo of security officers searching through everyone's hand luggage at Hong Kong International Airport. He was too busy so merely asked me not to take another photo.
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
That also includes the PA Bus Terminal in NYC and near the enterances to the tunnels and bridges in their jurisdiction. This is to reduce the opportunities for terrorists to record info as to security systems and procedures at those facilities.

File these under "Stupid rules that have no effect on security."

What the terrorists are so stupid/lazy that they can't get a goddam photo? If there's anything that 9/11 showed us is that these guys aren't stupid.

[Edited 2006-11-04 17:19:34]
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:22 am

I woulda suggested the place he could stick it and would not have deleted but the one I took in the terminal.

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Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:24 am

Thing that bothers me is that he made you delete photos of aircraft in Zurich, that is something that he can't do, I would have said, no, i wont delete those, i will only delete the one of the aircraft... OF WHICH HAS NOTHING showing your facilities.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:27 am

If I am not mistaken (and I may be), only a court order can demand that a person delete pictures unless an arrest is made (the law I'm thinking of actually refers to film, but was written before digital came on the scene). If I'm right, then you have every right to file a complaint because the Customs agent was in violation.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting Cx889 (Thread starter):
he was merely doing his job to protect people like you and me.

No he wasn't - he was being an officious and paranoid asshat. There is no law against taking pictures of aircraft on a ramp, not in the US or in Europe, and anyone who tells you there is, is lying. I would have made a complaint, no question.
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:57 am

HE is not allowed to do that. You are not allowed to take pictures of the actual customs check point however any that you took on the ramp or elsewhere he cannont force you to delete or to do anything without a court order. I would recommend talking to a lawyer about this.
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 2):
Basically he has destroyed your intellectual property and in doing so has both commited a criminal offence and exposed himself to civil action for damages in effectively censoring something over which he has no jurisdiction,

I trully hope you get up off your butt and file a lawsuit. He only *may* have had a right to have you delete the JFK images, but your entire VACATION???

YOu havea bona fide lawsuit/ACLU on your hands. Take him to court.

There is no way in hell I would have let this clown have me delete all those memories. MAYBE the JFK photos, but the whole vacation?

I hope you realize how much this guy raped you and act on it.
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:42 am

All may not be lost.

Like all recordable media, a digital camera card which has deleted items on it MAY be able to be read and you MAY be able to retrieve the lost images IF you have not overwritten the card.

It depends on the card and just how your particular camera deletes images.

There is software available or you could take the card to a specialist. Either way send the bill to the authorities.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:02 am

Judging by CX889's experience, I'd say he had it very easy. It could have gotten alot worse. Rule of thumb, never remove your camera upon deplaning and entering customs, despite the "No camera" sign at the actual desks.
 
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 10):
There is no law against taking pictures of aircraft on a ramp, not in the US or in Europe, and anyone who tells you there is, is lying.

How about the photo-ban at CDG (with the 450 Euro fine) ?
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 12):
I trully hope you get up off your butt and file a lawsuit. He only *may* have had a right to have you delete the JFK images, but your entire VACATION???

YOu havea bona fide lawsuit/ACLU on your hands. Take him to court.

Take him to court for what? Do you have $200-$375 per hour to spend on a lawyer? What are your damages? Did you lose a hand? Did you lose an eye? What is your goal? Mental anguish? Come on please.

I think we are all a little trigger happy with safety. Snapping a picture in front of TSA in an Airport is tantamount to waving a red flag in front of a bull. Was he a jerkoff professionally - perhaps. Did you not excercise common sense here? Definitely. Perhaps I would have had him call a supervisor and see if you could come to some amicable solution.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:39 am

It is unfortunate that miscreant officials can get away with their overbearing attitude knowing that most can't afford to sue. He should still be the subject of an official complaint.

Quoting Hamster (Reply 16):
Snapping a picture in front of TSA in an Airport is tantamount to waving a red flag in front of a bull.

Not true. I was taking pics of aircraft from the departure lounge in a JFK terminal last year and a TSA guy was not only quite happy but was telling me the best places to go. It was some idiot from KLM who tried to tell me that photography was illegal when I was taking one of their 777s.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:02 am

I had an event in AMS last year while waiting to board a NW DC10. I took several pictures of the DC10 but I was standing very close to an area where they conduct additional pre-boarding security. The officer came over very assertively stating "NO Pictures!". I had just taken about 40 pictures all around the terminals at AMS so I was a bit worried that I might lose all of my shots. Thankfully, this officer only asked to see my digital photos to ensure that none of them were taken of the security area. This seemed very reasonable and would have been a suitable response from the JFK officer had he not overreacted.

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Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:09 am

Things get worse... What more can be said... Pathetic...
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CX889
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:10 am

Thank you all for your comments. I also feel the agent was wrong, but again, I was with my family at the time and did not want to make more of a scene.

I want to clarify some points:

1. He only made me to delete photos of aircraft (at ZRH, JFK) and inside cabins shots... not my entire vacation. I would have been really upset if that happened!!!

2. The photo he caught me taking was not of the Customs desks, but of the A332 on the ramp. Where I was standing happened to be near the desks, but well before the No Photos/No Cellphone sign.

I will certainly not pursue this any further. I have not really lost anything but photos, and I will not add to the lawsuit-happy mentality of our country. But thanks for all your comments.

Happy planespotting!
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:23 am

wow, im glad i dont fly through JFK.

Just tell him to go buy another Big Mac.
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:28 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 5):
The officer is an idiot and I hope he has a terrible life and afterlife.

Jeez! A little over the top, isn't it?  hissyfit  Wishing him severe acne, boils, nagging heartburn, incontinence or impotence is one thing... maybe even a terrible life... but as frustrating as his actions were I'd leave his afterlife to higher authorities!!!

Thank goodness the OP had a more adult attitude when dealing with the agent.

Rule #1... when dealing with an IIP (Idiot In Power), arguing, fighting etc., will only exacerbate the situation. Even refusing his demands to delete pictures, or to hand over your camera is only going to cause you at least some momentary grief and really won't get you anywhere.
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:35 am

Two points - A) - if you haven't already, do not take any more photos on that card - you can restore all deleted photos using one of the many freeware applications on the net. I accidentally cleared my holiday photos of Malaysia and managed to recover all but one.

B) - that's precisely the reason my laptop and card reader accompany me on every trip. At regular intervals, as well as in flight on long hauls, I copy everything to the laptop, as well as burn it do a CD or DVD. You can do this on the flight too. That way, even if anything happens to your card you still have most photos on your laptop, and failing that on a DVD.

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Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Remcor (Reply 6):
File these under "Stupid rules that have no effect on security."

What the terrorists are so stupid/lazy that they can't get a goddam photo? If there's anything that 9/11 showed us is that these guys aren't stupid.

Tell me about it. I've only had it happen once to me, back in March, but after landing in MCO I asked if I could go up to the flight deck and take some photos. I was excited because this was my first flight on an Airbus (American A300 from MIA to MCO). When I walked by the entrance to the flight deck, I asked if I could go up and take some photos and was told by the Captain "No. Since 9/11, tt's been company policy not to allow photos of the flight deck." I didn't want to make a scene but really wanted to say "Well, your company needs to do a better job of enforcing that policy if they really have it because there are literally hundreds of flight deck photos from your airline alone on airliners.net, not to mention which are of higher quality than what my camera can produce and anyone can access these images as long as they have access to a computer with the internet. What is your policy really preventing?"

The way I usually go about getting flight deck photos is when boarding, I ask during boarding "after we land in _____, would it be alright if I come up to the flight deck and take a few photos?" Sometimes they offer to let me come up right then, but I don't want to be a distraction while the pilots are going through pre-flight checks. I figure the cockpit will still be there upon landing at our destination anyway, or at least I hope it is.  Wink
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:03 am

The Customs Officer went beyond his pay grade. He had no right to make you delete ALL your photos. You should have demanded to see his Supervisor/Superior and refused to give him your camera. With the ensuing uproar, his Superior would have given you a fair hearing and would have settled for your deleting only the photo taken in the Customs hall. In every country there are always overzealous human beings who go beyond what is right and fair.

I would lodge an official complaint with the US Customs and ask your Embassy in the US to assist you. I hope you took down the Officers name and number as that will assist you. That you made an innocent mistake gives him no right to walk all over you.

I would seek compensation for the non US photos and the In Flight photos deleted. You are only allowed to take photos while in the departure lounge after you have cleared security.

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Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:49 am

Yet another reason this country, like many others, is nothing special in the least.
 
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 1):
I am sorry to say that but you must have met the biggest MF at JFK airport.

shooot thats sayin something lol

sorry for your experience CX889-

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Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:53 am

[quote=Cx889=[/quote]

Com'on man! I would have given him the camera, but he had no right to delete all of your photos!! i would have deleted the one you took in front of him, then taken another one after the fact. Ive learned how to get around this total BS here in the US, especially Massport.

File a complaint!!  hissyfit 

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ps- if anyone here thinks that all this no-photo bull is actually protecting us, its just a bunch of propaganda... sarcastic 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:35 am



The only time I've been hassled (and it really was too minor to be called a "hassle") was after taking the above photo. A security guard came up behind me, clapped me on both shoulders, and said in a genuinely friendly tone, "Don't take too many pictures." and walked away. And this was in London last weekend when you still couldn't get any liquids through security.

Trying to reenter the US was another story.

I was afraid I'd get in trouble at some point so I brought along my laptop and downloaded the photos every chance I had.

[Edited 2006-11-05 01:40:08]
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:50 am

Even though i think it was a bit over the top by the officer, Customs have every right to remove photos from a camera what ever it is of.

The airport is in fact a Customs Controlled Area, and in Australia the Customs Act 1901, and general Customs policy stipulates Customs can do things like that.

That being said, the customs guy sounds like an egomaniac on a power-trip!, and not really necessary.
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 2):
What he had absolutely no right to do was delete any photos not taken at JFK. Basically he has destroyed your intellectual property and in doing so has both commited a criminal offence and exposed himself to civil action for damages



Quoting Philb (Reply 4):
Don't the "authorities" realise that any terrorist can get hold of this up to date information as easily as info and pictures published pre 9/11.



Quoting Remcor (Reply 6):
File these under "Stupid rules that have no effect on security."



Quoting Philb (Reply 17):
It is unfortunate that miscreant officials can get away with their overbearing attitude knowing that most can't afford to sue. He should still be the subject of an official complaint.

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark  Agreed!

I don't think a lawsuit is needed but a complaint needs to be made. People will continue doing stupid things unless someone says something. This particular official needs to know that his behaviour was overbearing, unnecessary and largely illegal.

Quoting Philb (Reply 13):
Like all recordable media, a digital camera card which has deleted items on it MAY be able to be read and you MAY be able to retrieve the lost images IF you have not overwritten the card.

This is very true! During my 8 years in photo retail, I sold just about every imaginable type of digital camera and was responsible for retrieving thousands of customers' images, usually due to overzealous formatting without having downloaded the contents first. I would think you'd be able to get a good chunk of those images back - so long as there hasn't been too many "record-format, record-format" cycles since then. Good luck!  Smile
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:09 am

Sorry that happened man. That guy was being a nut and just was trying to kiss ass to the boss. Many Many photos are taken at JFK daily there are even times when folks and photographers escourted on the ramp to take pics. Even before 9/11 security folks used to give folks a hard time to photo or film aircraft at J F K
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:35 am

Here we go again with this. It is *not* illegal to take photgraphs anywhere at a U.S. airport. That includes the customs facilities and, even, the security checkpoints, despite what signs and security staff might insist to the contrary.

Welcome to communist Romania c. 1972.... er, I'm sorry, the United States in 2006.

Last winter I was on assignment for the Boston Globe, and was detained by police officers at two different airports when I tried to take pictures of the terminal interiors/exteriors. I later wrote an article based on my experience, which I'd be happy to share with anyone who'd like to see it. Just send me an email: Aviateur@askthepilot.com

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Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:57 am

I admire how you were able to keep your cool in that situation. I'm willing to bet that myself and most other a.netters would have been furious if a similar situation occurred to us.

If it's not too much trouble, I think you should look into this case and find out whether or not this person had the right to do what he did. Once you have gathered your findings, I suggest you file a complaint to the employer.

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Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:24 am

that secuirty guard must feel special cause he could've prevented another 9/11. so he gose home from work that and pats himself on his back while eating a king size big mac and fries.

Somepeople are just idiots. I hope you don't judge all american people like that. Cause were not all fat and eat big macs and whoppers everyday. Some people actually care what they look like and care about what other people think. Everyone loves Bush.  rotfl   wink 
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:27 am

Perhaps you could get another camera of same type and have one for your pics, and a "dummy" one with pics of whatever that you could use for 'deletion purposes'.  Wink
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 36):
Perhaps you could get another camera of same type and have one for your pics, and a "dummy" one with pics of whatever that you could use for 'deletion purposes'.

haha thats a good one.
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:31 pm

Quoting Cx889 (Reply 20):
I will certainly not pursue this any further. I have not really lost anything but photos, and I will not add to the lawsuit-happy mentality of our country. But thanks for all your comments.

By your failing to follow through with this you are doing an extreme disservice to anyone that maybe in your situation in the future.
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Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:11 pm

I make a full time living at aviation photography.Much of my work is acheived at JFK airside, up in the tower,in terminals, from parking lots,etc.You would think after 9/11 all photography would be prohibited but conditions at JFK I have found to be quite the contrary. The officials at the field have been quite accomodating.Both as a traveler taking gate shots and out on the field when working HOWEVER,...certain security organizations at the US airports have proved themselves to be nothing more than a marketing tool for commercial airline travel.Their job is to make the average individual believe that ALL security measures are in place with NO loopholes.They are big on knee jerk reactions and quite frankly don't know the difference between a J-3 cub and the Hindenberg. Some of these characters are overdosing on cherrios and caffiene.I'm a piece loving guy but...DELETE THOSE IMAGES....well...those are fighten words!!!!!.....OUCH!
 
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:09 pm

Well, unfortunately you got yourself in a 'no win' situation. You had the right to standup for your right but instead you did what the Customs agent "asked" you to do. It could've been worse if you haven't complied with. Perhaps some detention or arrest. Who knows. Good luck on your next trip.
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:41 pm

Quoting Cx889 (Thread starter):

I am sorry for your loss of pictures. I would have been pissed off... But again you are there with your family, and I presume, don't want a scene in front of them.
I thought would never have agreed to delete any photo. A court can rule that I delete it, not a TSA.

To start a law suit is like shooting a bird with cannon... But what this shows is the accumulated paranoia within the American society. This shows how much of a show the so call high level security is. There is nothing secret about an airport. There are huge amounts of photos of the airport, on the web, in magazines, postcards, and else where. Of course the Customs area is regarded as no photo area, but the rest of the airport is not.
This incident just shows how that American society is crippling. They are giving way for the terrorists threats... And it is so sad. I once loved the USA. Today it stands as nothing but a sad and lonely country. Everything they have fighted for over the years is lost. What a shame.
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ksmd11
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:29 pm

It happened to me on Wednesday at London City. I took a picture of a Scot Airways DO328 and was about to snap a BA RJ100 that i flew on recently when one of the mets finest came up to me and said that i was commiting an act of terrorism and that i should delete the pictures. If i didn't, we could 'talk' about it down the station. (i was airside waiting for a flight) and i would of course miss my flight, mess up the day etc. There are no signs anywhere saying you can't take pictures and i was a bit aggreived at this jobsworth accusing me of anything relating to terrorism. He also made me delete pictures from a day earlier taken no where near LCY or in his juristiction. I then said i am going to FRA where they have viewing area's (i know it is shut-he doesn't) and you can take pictures freely. 'There isn't a terrorist threat there' was his reply. I said i go to LHR regularly and most fine days there are up to 50 people there spotting/taking pics and no one moves them on. I guess we are probably under cctv surveillance but never bothered. They even issue flyers asking spotters for help in these times of terrorists threats which of course they will get. I got a copy of his report with his name and number and will be making complanits. Different matter if there were signs up but there weren't so i don't see what i was doing wrong. Obviously in his eyes everyone is guilty and takes pictures for Al Qaeda-didn't enter his head it was for my hobby, personal collection etc.

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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:00 pm

I sympathise ...

Once I was on the ramp at BLR and had my wife shield me while taking pics of a 9W ATR. Got a couple of pics and then in my greed/enthusiasm, got a little rash attracting the attention of one of the 9W rampers who promptly informed a policeman. Both of them came to me and asked me to delete the pics....which I did.

I took my chance although I knew it was prohibited in Indian Airports.

And last year I was spotting outside Dubai Airport and was picked up by a Police patrol and bundled into their car to the nearest Police station. Though I could not understand what they were speaking...I kind of had the feeling that they were trying to tell their superior that they had foiled a security threat. Their reply when I explained my purpose was "How do we know you are not a friend or relative of Ossama?"! Anyway, since I knew I did not do anything wrong (and that I did not know any Ossama) I was pretty cool about the whole affair.

They let me off with a warning eventually. Took my film though.
 
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:01 pm

Another jobsworth in a uniform far exceeding his powers and common sense.

Do two things. Find out from Scotland Yard who the idiot reports to directly.

Then write to the Police Complaints Commission, copy to the Commissioner of the Met detailing the facts, enclosing a copy of the report and stating your evidence.

Demand an enquiry, an apology and compensation for your loss. Demand the officer and his immediate superior be retrained in both the law and their rights and duties.

Copy everything to your MP.

It takes effort but its the only way to stop these idiots converting the world into an unofficial police state
 
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:38 pm

similar thing happened to me at Nairobi,Kenya just when i was about to take a photo from the gate of the 777 i was told by security if i take any photo's i'll have to delete them or have my camera confiscated.I suppose taking a photo of an aircraft is as dangerous as looking at one.
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:42 pm

Kenya has always banned unofficial photography at airports and this is a known law - just as it is illegal there to take a photo of the President, unless you have official, written permission.

Paranoia rules OK.
 
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting Ksmd11 (Reply 42):
It happened to me on Wednesday at London City. I took a picture of a Scot Airways DO328 and was about to snap a BA RJ100 that i flew on recently when one of the mets finest came up to me and said that i was commiting an act of terrorism and that i should delete the pictures.

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Sounds like another ex-gestapo dudes from the good old Nazi Days.
I hear there are a whole lot of ex-secret Iraqi Police working for Saddam in the great old days that now have jobs in the Met & Airport Security Firms. You're lucky they did not shoot you. Usually, it's a full 30 day interrogation, full body cavity search, you know, the lot.
I mean, where do you think you are, this is London City Airport, and an RJ100 is probably the most technically advanced piece of flying equipment round that neck of the woods, let alone the DO328. You are really asking for trouble. Next time, stick to taking pictures of model airplanes, not real ones. And ask if you can keep your eyes open at take-off. You wouldn't want to see something you shouldn't see. Erasing memories is a lot harder than erasing digital pictures...

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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:54 am

The only thing that is really prevented is the photo's of security and of the customs officers. Nothing prevents you from taking a photo from inside of the terminal buildings and various carparks.
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RE: Ever Been Asked By Security To Delete Photos?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Hamster (Reply 16):
Do you have $200-$375 per hour to spend on a lawyer? What are your damages? Did you lose a hand? Did you lose an eye? What is your goal? Mental anguish?

That all depends on the individual. I now realize that the original poster was merely ranting up above.

But, let's assume the poster is actually a photographer by trade. He makes a living off his photos...And now he was forced to delete all his photos (again, I now realize they only made him delete photos of planes) does he have case? Perhaps yes. Perhaps he is a staff photographer for Airways magazine? Just throwing it out there. Perhaps he has galleries full of his travel photos and has a legitimate business.

Of course there was no damage to the person but damages as a function of potential earnings is legitimate.

I'm not one to sue at the drop of a hat but if the above theoretical scenario were true, I'd sue.


Secondly, the only photo I might consider deleting is hte one I took when the guard approached me. After that, all the other photos on the camera are none of his business.
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