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Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:36 am

This is a thread to ask why everytime one exits a Latin american airport one has to pay an airport fee. It happened to me in SJO, in LIM, in EZE, in GRU, in UIO, and LPB to mention a few !
At first I thought that when you buy a round trip ticket, the taxes included were for the airport you started your trip from (ie GVA for me) and airports where you'd stopver. When I had to pay the exit fee I topld myself it was because the air ticket didn't include the airport you started your return leg on.

However, I took this flight from LPB to LIM. I bought my ticket with TACA and it supposedly included ticket price and fees. however I still had to pay 24 USD to get out of the airport. Same happend on a SJO-PTY flight.
Could anyone explain me if this practise is common outside of europe cause everytime I have flown ion europe I didn't have to pay this extra fee.

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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:52 am

It's a common practice also in some asiatic airports like BKK Don Muang (I don't know if it's still the case for the new BKK), in Cambodia, etc
I don't like this because generally you have to pay cash and that mean you have to think to keep the amount needed for your departure. I don't know as you the logic to not include it in the airfares. Hopefully, this practice is decreasing.
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 1):
I don't know if it's still the case for the new BKK

It is still the case - 500THB, going to 700 in February 2007, I believe
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:21 am

Airports in Chile works paying taxes with the tkt. I agree it's so nasty to pay in the airport, specially in EZE when after waiting in line they say "no mastercard, visa only".
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:30 am

It really is nasty. In GYE there are ATMs right next to those departure tax counters. The levy itself is pretty hefty, certainly for Ecuador standards: 25 US$. I was wondering what happens if you can't pay it: no cash, and no withdrawal from ATM possible. What will the authorities do then?
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:44 am

Depends on the airline.

American the tax is included in the price on their LIM flights. Lan and Iberia you have to pay it yourself ($30.25 - why the 25 cents other than to piss you off, I have no idea).

I have never paid tax in GIG or GRU on BA.
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting Arcano (Reply 3):
specially in EZE when after waiting in line they say "no mastercard, visa only".



Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 5):
($30.25 - why the 25 cents other than to piss you off, I have no idea).

yeah and especially when they don't accept VISA or any othe cedit cards !!!
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:40 am

As far as I know, here in Argentina international airport taxes must be paid at a special counter, and are not included in your ticket price, because of a problem between the airports operator (Aeropuertos Argentina 2000) and the airlines. Some years ago it was included in the ticket price, but alas that doesn't apply anymore.

On a sidenote, AKL also requires you to pay the airport tax at a dedicated counter.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 3):
specially in EZE when after waiting in line they say "no mastercard, visa only".

I think, not sure though, that now you can also pay with Mastercard.

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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting Marambio (Reply 7):
I think, not sure though, that now you can also pay with Mastercard.

doesn't amaze me. In Latin America VISA is FAR more accepted than Mastercard
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 5):
Depends on the airline.

American the tax is included in the price on their LIM flights.

Everyone pays the 30.25 in Lima. Also AA.

There are some good developments to notice, however: PTY got rid of it something about a year ago for most tickets; so did CCS (however, still some airlines excluded); and yesterday I was surprised that BOG had the tax included in the ticket (not sure though if it was only for my airline (CM), I'll have to find out).
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:06 am

Happens in Canada also. For instance YVR charges an Airport Improvement Fee of CAD$5,10 or 15 depending on your destination.

Some airlines include the fees in tickets, while others require you to pay in person prior to entering security.
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:21 am

In some instances, it has to do with the financing, and is there to protect against financially weak airlines and gets quick cash instead of a receivable. In most instances, its just an antiquated way of doing business, without any good reason. All in all, I its a small annoyance, and not a big deal.
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
This is a thread to ask why everytime one exits a Latin american airport one has to pay an airport fee. It happened to me in SJO, in LIM, in EZE, in GRU, in UIO, and LPB to mention a few !
At first I thought that when you buy a round trip ticket, the taxes included were for the airport you started your trip from (ie GVA for me) and airports where you'd stopver. When I had to pay the exit fee I topld myself it was because the air ticket didn't include the airport you started your return leg on.

Nothing new, really. Until very recently, various airports in Canada charged passengers the levy (aka Airport Improvement Tax) at the airport. Vancouver was one such airport, and possibly Toronto. Now, they are included as part of your ticket, and are itemized by the likes of AC when pricing out your fare online. There were a number of issue with this, including the inconvenience and even corruption by some of the collectors which were printing and selling their own tickets (and to think that this only happens in Nigeria).

To add to the above list, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia also collects such levy, at $20USD for foreigners, and a lower rate for nationals (the latter pay in local currency)
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:30 am

I was given the impression that the tax was assessed at the airport because the tax paid was different based on your citizenship and how long you were in the country for. Therefore, there was no way of including the tax with the ticket (though I guess today airlines are supposed to know that thing in much more detail.)

On this note, I was born in Costa Rica (American father, Costa Rican mother.) Shortly after my birth, we moved to the United States.

I was travelling on an US passport, and the departure tax paid was for a tourist (non-Costa Rican in Costa Rica less than 6 months. After all, I was travelling on a US passport and was only 4 months old, even if I had been Costa Rican born.)

The emigration inspector was confused and asked my father where I was born. When my father said here in Costa Rica, the inspector more or less parsed the situation and said "I don't get paid enough to deal with this shit" and let us go.  Smile
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting Marambio (Reply 7):
As far as I know, here in Argentina international airport taxes must be paid at a special counter, and are not included in your ticket price, because of a problem between the airports operator (Aeropuertos Argentina 2000) and the airlines. Some years ago it was included in the ticket price, but alas that doesn't apply anymore.

On a sidenote, AKL also requires you to pay the airport tax at a dedicated counter.

If I am nt wrong everything change after the crisis in 2001. Not sure why but I thought the issue was between the goverment and the airport and not the opposite.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 3):
Airports in Chile works paying taxes with the tkt. I agree it's so nasty to pay in the airport, specially in EZE when after waiting in line they say "no mastercard, visa only".

I think you are going a bit over the top. The word "nasty" is too much. If you go to EZE often you know the procedure so it shouldn't be an issue for you. If you don't have cash get a mastercard (it's priceless)
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:44 am

it actually depends on the airlines and whether or not they have an agreement with that specific country. For example in Aruba, if you are traveling to the states, then the tax is included in the ticket which the country recovers from the airline. If you are traveling, say to venezuela, then you have to pay the tax at the airport. Somehow I think that Aruba doesn't trust venezuelan or colombian airlines to pay the taxes.
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:56 am

When I flew to CCS, I had this topic. I flew into CCS on MX - tax not included, flew out on DL (of course tax not included). Next trip, flew in and out on DL - tax included. Was fun - a learning experience of sorts.

It is somewhat like a tollbooth to the airport concourse if you ask me!
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting Marambio (Reply 7):
I think, not sure though, that now you can also pay with Mastercard.

I couldn't in may, maybe now. At least, in 2003 they didn't accept credit card at all, at least in MDZ...

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 8):
doesn't amaze me. In Latin America VISA is FAR more accepted than Mastercard

Not in Chile, where both belong to the same on line transaction service, so it doesn't matter at all

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 14):
he word "nasty" is too much. If you go to EZE often you know the procedure so it shouldn't be an issue for you

It's nasty and not at the level you expect of a city as Buenos Aires. I looked at the counter where I saw people paying withj plastic. I thought it was obvious that it wouldn't matter, so I had to go again to an ATM and pay again for the international withdraw for te argentinos don't accept Mastercard at their airport.

It's already bad that you have to make again a line for paying the tax, where any descent airport deals with airlines for avoiding this procedure. You are demanded three times to make a line at any airport (check in, security and immigration), which sometimes can be very slow depending on the flight demand of the time. But no, LIM or EZE cannot make these easier and makes you wait a fourth time for paying, to find out that they are so lost in costumer orientation that they don't have all facilities for paying the tax!

Not nasty?
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 17):
I couldn't in may, maybe now. At least, in 2003 they didn't accept credit card at all, at least in MDZ...



Quoting Arcano (Reply 17):
It's nasty and not at the level you expect of a city as Buenos Aires

You are going back to 2003 (3 years ago) and talk about your experience at MDZ? And you talk about BUE? When was your last time there?

I am sorry but you cannt be taken seriously.
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:13 pm

Check out Indonesian Airports. such as CGK, they make an Indonesian Citizen pay a lot more Airport Tax than a Foreigner.

An Indonesian pays 109 USD (1,000,000 RP) departure tax at the airport check in counter in cash.

A Foreigner departing Indonesia pays 8 USD (75,000 RP) at the airport check in for departure taxes.

Thats messed up. usually its the other way around especially in places like Thailand where they make Foreigners pay a hefty fee for museums, parks, places etc compared to Thai citizens.
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 18):
You are going back to 2003 (3 years ago) and talk about your experience at MDZ? And you talk about BUE? When was your last time there?

Read well, I was in EZE in may 2006 and I use to go to buenos aires at leat twice a year. After traveling abroad about 4 times a year for holidays and being, let's say 10 times in EZE the last 5 years, I think I have the right to give the opinion I think the Ministro Pistarini is a nasty airport, although not the worst.

And back to the topic, the fact that they give you so much troubles with an issue that the tiniest airport in Chile doesn't makes me like it even less...
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:21 pm

In Tanzania you have to pay it at the airport too (though some smaller airports don't charge it, and since all the airports there are small I'm talking the airports with no one manning thme and no facilities beyond a windsock, definitely not any locaiton with pavement near it, though for many of those you have to pay an entrance fee to the national park anyways so it sort of balances out) However in Tanzania, even when flying on chartered aircraft you have to go through same security checks as if oyu were flying commercially (though not the same as if you were flying on one of the biggie flights like the KLM, EK or BA flights out of JRO and DAR) which was weird and even werider was that we had to pay a departure tax even though we we had a chartered aircraft we still had to pay and all and unless you are flying on one of the bigger international airlines for which from what I understand they waive the fee or it is arleady paid or something, you have to pay with Tanzanian Schillings.
Sorry for the long post, just wanted to add this as I doubt there are many others on this site who have this information.
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting B4real (Reply 16):
It is somewhat like a tollbooth to the airport concourse if you ask me!

LOL, that is exactly what it is like in MNL. 550P for international and 200P I think is what it was for domestic. Every airport has a different fee. One small airport, Caticlan, was 20P, hardly worth the trouble to collect, lol.
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:58 pm

I don't think we have that problem here in MEX or any Mexican airport. It is all included in the airline ticket. But haven't experienced that before. not even in GRU.
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:52 pm

My favourite surprise was exiting Cartagena (an AMAZING city btw) and being asked to pay USD 50-60 (dont remember) for the privilege of leaving Colombia. If I didnt have a life, I'd probably just stay back, marry a Colombian woman, and have tons of Indo-Colombian babies. Anyways, the worst part was that there were so many different taxes that they didnt quite know how to tax me. Later I was told that nationality, exit points, visa status, and other things all factor in.
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:34 pm

This is the case in most caribbean airports too. You pay fee, called Departure Tax, just before going through security. In the case of my island it is XCD50.00 something like USD20.00. Varies from island to island but it is around that range. Didn't know this was done in airports out of the caribbean region.

I agree it is a hassle, and these fees should just be included in the ticket with the rest of the taxes. While at US Airways, we had to make the announced upon meeting the flight that passengers be aware of the fee to paid upon departure, as many visitors never experienced this before.
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:29 pm

I didn't had to pay it ex PTY -> MAD in 2004 (IB) .. as it was a late flight and the counter was already closed.  Smile
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:53 pm

I have certainly had to pay departure tax when leaving Bali (Indonesia) and from Carribbean countries

In all cases it was most definitely cash only no cards accepted.
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:37 pm

As far as I know airport taxes for GRU and GIG are already included in the ticket.

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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):
Read well, I was in EZE in may 2006 and I use to go to buenos aires at leat twice a year. After traveling abroad about 4 times a year for holidays and being, let's say 10 times in EZE the last 5 years, I think I have the right to give the opinion I think the Ministro Pistarini is a nasty airport, although not the worst.

If you think EZE is a nasty airport you certainly have not seen much. It's a bliss compared to the following: LHR T2, LGW south or CDG 1 (for mentioning a couple)

All in all, I must not qualify EZE "nasty" just for doing an extra line that at the most would take you 5-10 minutes max. you cannot be serious... EZE is a great airport with plenty of space, roomy ceilings, natural light....give EZE anytime vs. the ones above.





I don't even know why i bother replying to you... you sound so bitter

PS: By the way... you were the one who assuming cc were not taken at EZE based on your trip to MDZ in 2003. read your posts
 
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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:09 pm

SCL includes the tax in the ticket charges, so no hassle there, just a smooth check-in to lounge transit. It was different back int he 90s, but it all changed now.
However EZE has special desks that need you to pay 18$ by Crecit card. you than will be given a receipt that has to be shown to a certain staff prior to screening. GIG has the same:
Some years back I had a 7 hours transit in Rio (during easter sunday). Sure I left the airport, and joined the Cariocas on Flamengu and Copacabana beach on their easter stroll. I came back and off course had no sticker batch reading "airport tax paid" on my ticket / BP sleeve. I pretended to not know anything (Off course I knew leaving the transit are was "officialy" both forbidden and highly risky. So after a short discussion with varig a I was given a free tax sticker and made my way to the gate.

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RE: Why Are Taxes Not Included For LatAm Airports?

Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting Steve6666 (Reply 5):
Depends on the airline.

True: in CCS if you fly AF all is included, if you fly VH (at your own risk, they are totally unreliable), nothing is included.

In airports taxes there are often 2 different things:
- the "real" airport tax, price to pay to use the facilities of the airport,
- a tax for exiting the country (which goes to the government, not the airport), and has in fact nothing to see with the airport operation. This is often this last tax which is different according to your personal status.
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