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EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:52 am

About an hour ago the first phase of EU-wide regulations concerning cabin luggage have entered force. All flights departing EU airports have to limit liquids in cabin luggage to 100ml containers, all to fit in a single 1L resealable bag. Exceptions with special criteria are made for medications, baby food and duty-free purchases. The next phase, tentatively planned for January, will limit the size of cabin luggage to 56x45x25cm, i.e. the size of an average notebook bag.

I wonder how Europe's airports are coping starting in a few hours. Are there enough resealable bags, extra security crew? Are there big delays at some airports?

Please share your experiences if you fly within or out of the EU today.
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:16 pm

This has been known for a while. I paid attention on one specific rule:

Purchases in duty free at the airport:

If your purchase occurred in an airport located outside the European Union, and you are transferring to a European Union country, you will not be authorized to carry your purchases onto your next flight. They will be taken away from you.


This is part of the latest AF/KL newsletter. I'm also unsure if this means any purchases or liquids only.

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Joge (Reply 1):
Purchases in duty free at the airport:

If your purchase occurred in an airport located outside the European Union, and you are transferring to a European Union country, you will not be authorized to carry your purchases onto your next flight. They will be taken away from you.

This is part of the latest AF/KL newsletter. I'm also unsure if this means any purchases or liquids only.

BA have put a slightly different slant on this...you can still purchase duty free liquids outside the EU provided the size of the liquid size meets the EU maximum and it's carried in the travellers existing litre/quart sized bag. So, a customer on BA can still buy perfume, but not liquour.

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:30 pm

This all sounds like a backhanded way for the USA and EU to stop duty free importation of liquor from abroad (unless you happen to live in the major cities and don't need to connect, of course). All just a convoluted cash grab?
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:42 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
This all sounds like a backhanded way for the USA and EU to stop duty free importation of liquor from abroad (unless you happen to live in the major cities and don't need to connect, of course).

Doesn't make much sense. What if one has stopover or just grab the bag, pass the customs, pack the liquor to the bag and go back to the transit area?  scratchchin 

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:51 pm

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
About an hour ago the first phase of EU-wide regulations concerning cabin luggage have entered force.

A big warm welcome to the useless, painful, new EU regulations, that will mess up even more the dumb security checks.
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:35 pm

Do I understand this correctly as that i'm not allowed anymore to bring two bottles of wine from e.g. Spain / Portugal in my hand luggage when purchased outside the airport shops?
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:39 pm

Paris Orly is total chaos -all flights delayed and it will get worse in the evening..
I would expect some passengers don't make their connections !
Specially southern-europeans or arabs with "warm blooded temper" (which frequently use ORLY for flights to North Afica )could potentially become violent,being stuck for hours in endless lines...
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:45 pm

Quoting Koenie (Reply 6):
Do I understand this correctly as that i'm not allowed anymore to bring two bottles of wine from e.g. Spain / Portugal in my hand luggage when purchased outside the airport shops?

Correct, you could however put them in your checked luggage.
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:50 pm

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
Are there enough resealable bags

The airport here is providing the bags for now. The idea is that you keep it for next time.
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:55 pm

...as expected this is turning into a completely ridicoulous chase on volumes regardless of common sense..
In Vienna they conficscate even half empty toothpase-tubes of 125 ml ...
Where do you want to stop this global madness called fear for terrorism...?
Soon someone will prove he could hide explosives in his cloths and we are expected to travel nude then??
Is there no more any common sens in this community and do we really have to bend ourselves to an extent ,where airlines will suffer and see passengers move to train -transport,because they find it unacceptable to arrive three hours prior to departure, and have to dismantle they luggage into bits and pieces ??
I expect tons of people to say -well all this if for our security ...
If we would adapt a less invasive Politic in the ME,there would be substantially less reasons to worry about security !
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:13 pm

Actually, I personally suspect that this rule has more to do woth politics (getting on the US's good side) than anything else. Let's face it - what's so bad about a bottle of water on board - the darn plane carries tons of highly inflammable JET-A1 on it anyway.....

Of course, one could supect that this is simply a way of boosting sales in duty free stores which have dramaticlally reclined in recent years. Look for the price of water to skyrocket to about four or five EUR per bottle.
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
Please share your experiences if you fly within or out of the EU today.

Although not in the EU, Serbia too adopted the measures. BEG airport was crawling with confused pax this morning.
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:22 pm

>sigh<

This is a completely toothless act that will just annoy travellers without making them one bit more safe.

And by travellers, I mean me.

As for the reasons for this, they can be so many aside from just paranoia from politicians. However, the question is how much influence airlines, airports, airline security and tax-free shops have a say in this.

For some reason I don't think they have much of a say in this at all, so while they may have been able to influence the actual details of these regulations, I think this comes from overly paranoid politicians with too much time on their hands.

After all, who benefits? No one does, except from politicians and terrorists. Both groups can go home now feeling as if they've achieved something, without actually achieving anything except our incresed ire for both of them.

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:58 pm

Remember what happened with the belt buckles and shoes?

Once somebody found out that it would be handy to put some explosives in boots or hide a knife in a buckle, everybody had to take their shoes and belts off. That was not too long ago. However, in my last say 10 trips, I haven't had need to screen my shoes unless they've beeped in the metal detector. Same thing with the belt. Now, just wait and see what happens the day terrorists smuggle explosives onboard in where the sun never shines!  scared   laughing 

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:47 am

Here in europe I think you are still asked to take out your belt... for sure this is the case at BRU and CRL.

Regarding the bottles in checked-in luggage: I like my bottles to arrive home in one piece  Smile

These are really very annoying new rules!!!

So I will now have to go to the doctor just to get a receipt indicating that I really need my medication... hmm djeezus....
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:11 am

This is just utter ridicolous. Low cost carriers and duty free companies will love the new security measures, everybody else will hate them. What a shame.
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:18 am

Can someone link to these new regulations? It would be nice to know what *exactly* is going to be allowed and what not and what flexibility there is.

I'm going out if the country on friday (all intra EU) and I really don't want to stay a moment longer in security than I have to.

...beaurocrats :shakes head:  no 

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 17):
Can someone link to these new regulations?

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air_po...ecurity/rules_liquids/index_en.htm

See how long these rules last...
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 18):
See how long these rules last...

Thanks for the link!  Smile

As for how long these regulations will last...

Quote:


The new rules apply from Monday, 6 November 2006 at all airports in the EU and in Norway, Iceland and
Switzerland until further notice.


Heh, until further notice. Until people realize how much load of croc they are. Might take some time..

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:32 pm

Here at LHR the new "rules" came into force as of 02.00hrs yesterday 6th November. Having expected another August 10th fiasco they have preempted the problem by employing a large number of agenc staff. The Security information is now in three phases. Phase 1 All passengers are given the information on entering the terminal, in the way of a flyer telling what, and how fluids are excepted within Cabin / Hold baggage and informed that any excesses should be placed in Hold baggage. Plastic zip seal bags are provided for any fluids carried in cabin baggage. Phase 2 is taking place prior to the Central Search area where apssengers are questioned and advised again on how to pack and present to security their fluids. Phase 3 is at Central Search areas where by this time the fluids should be ready for security screening etc and removed and confiscated if still found to be either in excess or not presented correctly.
Question: Why is it that everone wants to carry toiletries on board anyway ??? As I explained to one young, distressed lady yesterday, are you going to have a shower? or wash your hair? or apply suntan lotion? or paint your nails? or shave your legs on board? NO then why do you need to carry them, put them in your hold luggage..............DUH!!!!!
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting Koenie (Reply 15):
Here in europe I think you are still asked to take out your belt...

Not the case everywhere. If I remember correctly, I don't remember removing my shoes on my last visit to DUB but I think I had to remove my belt, and they had been very strict about all this. They still insist we remove our laptops from their bag for separate screening, yet this diesn't happen to me at most other EU airport I've recently used. My home airport of TLS has never asked us to remove shoes, and nor do I ever remeber having to remove my belt, yet on my last flight from TLS just two weeks ago I actually asked if I had to remove my belt, the girl said no, when I went through I was frisked as I had beebed, eventually the security man asked me to remove my belt and saw it was the belt that was beeping. I have however noticed that body searching (frisking) seems to be the norm in TLS, as does a separate hand search of my laptop after screening. At MAD, where to be honest I find security to be a little too lax, I have never been requested to remove shoes or belt or have ever been frisked or beeped or had baggage checked. This makes me laugh, as when I fly TLS-MAD-TLS my laptop is always hand searched in TLS, yet returning from MAD with the exact same contents, it's never been searched. For the first time ever recently at AGP, I was asked to remove my laptop, they searched it then I was asked to turn it on.
I have always found it bizarre how securitry measures differ so much from one airport to another within Europe.
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:55 pm

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
About an hour ago the first phase of EU-wide regulations concerning cabin luggage have entered force.

How many phases will totally be?
as I understand the second will e 56x45x25? What next?
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:04 pm

Quoting SapphireLHR (Reply 20):
NO then why do you need to carry them, put them in your hold luggage..............DUH!!!!!

Very true. I usually have nothing liquid in the hand baggage as I try to take with me as little as possible into the cabin. However, there's still this new question, how one is supposed to do any convenient tax free shopping after the new rules have been applied?

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 21):
I have always found it bizarre how securitry measures differ so much from one airport to another within Europe.

Probably the strangest happened to me was at the customs in Brisbane after returning from a relatively short trip in Malaysia. I did have my laptop PC with me and the officers asked me to show them pictures I took on my trip AND my plane tickets. Why is that? And what if I didn't take any photos? And what if I had trashed the tickets? It doesn't sound like normal procedure and it has not much to do with quarantine. And still, they didn't even check my bag well, they only asked if I had any wooden items, plants etc.

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting Joge (Reply 23):
Probably the strangest happened to me was at the customs in Brisbane after returning from a relatively short trip in Malaysia. I did have my laptop PC with me and the officers asked me to show them pictures I took on my trip AND my plane tickets. Why is that? And what if I didn't take any photos? And what if I had trashed the tickets? It doesn't sound like normal procedure and it has not much to do with quarantine. And still, they didn't even check my bag well, they only asked if I had any wooden items, plants etc.

well it may have been a random pick search
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:25 pm

Quoting SapphireLHR (Reply 20):
Why is it that everone wants to carry toiletries on board anyway ???

Because when I go away for a few days, like I will be doing tomorrow for the A.net meet in BCN, I'm NOT taking hold luggage to check with me. I don't know about you guys, but if I go for a week or less I try (at least until they outlaw it in January) to just take a medium-sized roller bag with me.

Which brings me to the next point.. Anyone have any idea what they'll do with excess sized carry-on bags when 56x45x25 gets introduced? You can confiscate liquid containers for sure, but can you confiscate whole items of luggage? Can you just leave people without any belongings? Or will you simply be denied boarding??

The reason I'm asking, I had a similar situation recently when I was flying BOM-ZRH-AMS with LX, and the agent rebooked me on the direct BOM-AMS flight. I was of course jubilant to fly the DC-10 one last time (this was in August), but at security I got in trouble for my toiletteries... the agent forgot to inform me about strict regulations because of NW being American.. Anyways, after a short exchange security staff checked my bag as hold luggage.

I can imagine that you can't just check in all unfitting cabin luggage in hold.. that would be a horrible logisitical mess... So, what WILL they do come January?
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:06 pm

Indeed. When I do a short trip I never have hold luggage. I don't know why I would need to carry around a big bag for three to four days of holiday. Why not check-in the little thing then? Well speed! It's unbelievable how fast things go without hold luggage.

Further more I always had my toiletries in my hand luggage even for a longer trip together with some underwear for when my hold luggage would get lost or in any other way not arrive at my destination.

All this extra security will probably not upset the holiday ppl flying once a year all too much but if you fly regularly or fly for business often then they will soon become a pain in the ... well rear-end.
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:25 pm

Plus, travelling quite frequently, I get stuck along the way every few weeks. And the airlines always refuse to return my checked luggage to me when I have to stay overnight. So yes, I DO need toiletries and other supplies on board, unless the airlines will provide me with EVERYTHING I need, not just those little toiletry bags.

Also, for the same reason I like to have bottled water along. I have repeatedly gotten stuck for several hours in some airport where no stores were open - particularly at night. And vending machines are not always available either - plus how much change do you usually have along anyway.

I have stopped carrying my notebook computer because it has classified information on it and I have to make sure that it doesnt get "confiscated" by some customs agent, even just for a day. Instead I carry a whole change of clothes, which also causes frequent questioning.
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:30 pm

This whole new regulations are some kind of big shit. In times where you have to pay for drinks onboard you are not allowed to take them with you. Even a small can of coke has 330ml....230 too much! We were told that it's possible to buy drinks in duty-free shops....ever tried to get a bottle of water in duty-free? I tried at DUS in January before flying to PUJ with LTU....no chance - the only clear (looking like water) and bottled liquid was Vodka.

Also saw on TV that it's possible to built a plane harming bomb with less than 100ml of liquid - I'm not trusting TV in all ways, but if terrorists want to get a plane down they do it unless there orange juice is onboard or not.

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting EHHO (Reply 25):
just take a medium-sized roller bag with me.

So do I on short trips, but I still check the bag in. That way I feel more free wandering around the terminals taking photos.  Wink

Quoting Koenie (Reply 26):
Well speed! It's unbelievable how fast things go without hold luggage.

Depending on who you're flying with, where from and where to. With self check-in, baggage drop and right airports, things can really go quickly. It's more than just few times when my check-in bag has been on the conveyor before I get there. And even if I had to wait, that's more like 5-10 minutes. Not a big deal. Once in JNB I had to wait my bag for closer to an hour, I think, as the 747's cargo door was stuck. That was a long haul flight and taking only few things with you in the cabin baggage wouldn't have worked anyway.

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:34 pm

i flew yesterday evening CDG - ATH on OA. Chaos is the word to describe it. Huge lines at security , very slow. Plus the french give their own meaning of the act , as they forbid ANY liquid in cabin luggage , unless it is purchased from duty free/travel value in the airport. AF agents , (AF is OA's handling agent in CDG) just give the wrong information.
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:13 pm

I am flying SIN-FRA-LHR next week, and am expected to fill up with the maximum amount of Vodka that i can!
Does this mean that if i buy it in SIN, i will have to dump it in FRA before my flight to LHR?????
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:26 pm

Quoting Asturias (Reply 13):
After all, who benefits?

Perhaps LCC's also. Now you have to buy drinks onboard. Or maybe LCC's will suffer because ppl will fly airlines that do offer free drinks? I was on a AMS-JFK-AMS flight recently and they kept serving drinks regularly. In that case I have no problem with the new rules. But that's long-haul. On a 2-3 hour EU flight you may want to drink something, which on a LCC means buying...

Quoting EHHO (Reply 25):
but can you confiscate whole items of luggage? Can you just leave people without any belongings? Or will you simply be denied boarding??

No, it will be checked at the gate I presume and put in the hold.
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:48 pm

Quoting Chrjuk (Reply 31):
Does this mean that if i buy it in SIN, i will have to dump it in FRA before my flight to LHR?????

My guess is you better get the bottles before going to the airport and just pack them well between soft clothes inside your check-in baggage. I've done it for few times and everything has gone nice and smooth.

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 32):
No, it will be checked at the gate I presume and put in the hold.

But I can imagine that people will start using that as a "valet luggage service" facility,and ignore the rules altogether. "Aah, why bother, they'll take care of my bag at security and at the gate". I'm pretty sure they'll have to penalize oversize luggage in some way.

If it's what you say, I'm going to violate these rules altogether, and will just have security/gate agents have the headache of where to put my luggage!
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:39 pm

Quoting SapphireLHR (Reply 20):
Question: Why is it that everone wants to carry toiletries on board anyway ??? As I explained to one young, distressed lady yesterday, are you going to have a shower? or wash your hair? or apply suntan lotion? or paint your nails? or shave your legs on board? NO then why do you need to carry them, put them in your hold luggage..............DUH!!!!!

I travel frequently for work. Mostly these trips are 1-3 nights away. Sometimes they involve multiple cities and multiple hops. I have done 10 day trips with only hand luggage. Hotel laundry service is a great thing when you are on expenses.

Checking luggage is simply not a good option for me. Apart from the 30 extra minutes spent on getting my bag at the carousel, I don't want to risk losing it and being without my stuff. 30 extra minutes are no biggie if you fly 5-10 times a year, but last year I flew 100 times. A lot of those flights had meetings right after. I often don't have time to wait for checked luggage.


I have managed to (barely) squeeze everything I need into the plastic bag so I am sort of ok with the new liquid rules, but if they go even smaller with the bag you will find me squirming.

A point to remember is that business travelers like me are a major (perhaps the biggest apart from cargo) revenue generator for most airlines (excluding charters and LCCs). Making our life harder is not good for airlines. That is why I think (hope) that the proposed small bag rule will meet some resistance.
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting EHHO (Reply 34):
But I can imagine that people will start using that as a "valet luggage service" facility,and ignore the rules altogether. "Aah, why bother, they'll take care of my bag at security and at the gate". I'm pretty sure they'll have to penalize oversize luggage in some way.

If it's what you say, I'm going to violate these rules altogether, and will just have security/gate agents have the headache of where to put my luggage!

That's a good point indeed. But there is also a weight restriction on cabin baggage right? Although it's never upheld. But if you do as you say, you have no onboard luggage, isn't that a bigger inconvenience? No idea how this will play out. I had no trouble on my flight to JFK 2 weeks ago though. But I never have a really big carry-on. All I need in the cabin is something to snack and something to read. I did use to bring my own water onboard, but if f/a's serve it regurarly I have no problem. The problem is LCC flights on somewhat longer sectors (2-3 hours) You are then forced to buy on board. You are also forced to bring hold luggage which some LCC's charge for (and as I understand it a certain LCC increased that fare right after the new restrictions originally were in place... ahem FR... ahem). That makes flying them a bit less attractice IMHO.
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting Chrjuk (Reply 31):
I am flying SIN-FRA-LHR next week, and am expected to fill up with the maximum amount of Vodka that i can!
Does this mean that if i buy it in SIN, i will have to dump it in FRA before my flight to LHR?????

If you fly on a EU airline (Lufthansa) you can buy dutyfree onboard and they will seal it and you can take it threw secuirity, buying vodka in SIN or on Singapore Airlines they will take it away from you in FRA. Maximum amount of alcohol arriving from a Non Eu country is 1L of vodka and 2L of wine. The best way is to buy the vodka in FRA during your transit then you can bring your EU limit 10L of vodka 90L of wine and 110L of beer! The prices in FRA is very cheap even if you fly inside the EU and your bottles will not be taken away from you! Save your reciept so you can show that you have payed the taxes in Germany if the customs take you at LHR!

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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 36):
. But there is also a weight restriction on cabin baggage right? Although it's never upheld.

That weight restriction is in large part to protect the backs of the F/As. The rule of thumb, at least in the US, is that if you can lift it over your head into the bin, you can bring it on board. If you ask an F/A to lift your bag, the rule is suddenly applied much more diligently.  Wink
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:54 am

My girlfriend and I flew JER-LGW (BA8038; 735) yesterday. The new rules were frustrating, but at least it's on the road to normality.

We're flying STN-CIA tomorrow (FR3014; 738). We have the same clear bags from our JER flight, so can prepare in advance. We purchased small items, e.g. small toothpaste, anti-pers, shampoo, etc., so with that preparation it should all be OK.
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:07 am

It's only a matter of time before travel size toiletry makers catch on and make the containers exactly 3 oz on the inside, small on the outside (what's with the outsize corks anyway) and easily stackable inside a quart bag. Can't wait for that day.
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:54 pm

The new rule is complete c**p, now we'll have ten terrorists instead of two carrying 100 bottles with what they need. Or somebody will bake explosive biscuits, who knows. I am aware of the fact that increasing number of the ppl involved makes all the thing harder, but its not impossible, we know it. Why don't they completely ban liquids or handluggage I do not understand.

From the customer point of view, it's not very comfortable but supposing the baggage handling standards would increase, it could be bearable. And airlines should also allow those IATA_agreement_items such as laptop, camera, purse, blankets, baby food, books etc etc.
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting Zruda (Reply 41):
And airlines should also allow those IATA_agreement_items such as laptop, camera

I really hope these items aren't banned from the cabin.

I really should check the policies of the airlines again, I'm travelling with few cameras, two laptops and bunch of other accessories. AND I have excess baggage.  Big grin

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Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:01 pm

Quoting EHHO (Thread starter):
Are there enough resealable bags, extra security crew? Are there big delays at some airports?

Yes Schiphol has enough bags for the moment. In a few weeks it will be the responsiblity of the passenger but for the moment the airport is cooperating. I stuffed a few bags into my purse to help passengers in need but it was needed in only one case when the bags ran out at the gate to JNB.

Quoting Joge (Reply 1):
ou will not be authorized to carry your purchases onto your next flight.

If your taxfree stuff is in a plastic bag with an unbroken seal from that other duty free it is no problem with AF/KL at AMS. The seal is valid for 1 day.
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting Zruda (Reply 41):
Why don't they completely ban liquids or handluggage I do not understand.

Because:
- It would be almost impossible to enforce.
- It doesn't really make anyone safer.
- Business travelers, who make up the majority of airline revenues, would walk away in droves if they had to check lugggage.

You may think banning liquids in handluggage is ok but if you flew 5-10 times a month you would not.


Better than the current bs would be focusing on security measures that actually work. But you won't see those anytime soon unless you travel to Israel or Kuwait.
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:38 pm

Somebody just asked me an interesting question that I wasn't able to answer. If you had bokked a trip for December back in July and now with these new rules in place - which as we all know are a considerable problem for many travellers - do you not have the right to cancel your tickets at no charge and receive a full refund (assuming the ticket is otherwise nonrefundable)? After all, this is a major change to the "service" you will be receiving. And while airlines will usually argue that you just booked the transportation and have no right to a specific seat or meal - This time it AFFECTS EXACTLY THE TRANSPORTATION ITSELF.

Does anybody have any clue about this?
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 44):
You may think banning liquids in handluggage is ok but if you flew 5-10 times a month you would not.

I understand banning all liquids would be very inconvenient, but they didn't sort anything out by banning larger volumes then...
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Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:38 am

Quoting Zruda (Reply 46):
I understand banning all liquids would be very inconvenient, but they didn't sort anything out by banning larger volumes then...

In my opinion there are far far better outlets for money and effort than banning toiletries. How about actual security instead of the joke we are subjected to now? How about training security to talk to people and look at people instead of just being drones and doing things by rote? How about body scanning machines? Oops that's too intrusive. Would you prefer to die in a fiery inferno? Thought not. How about creating dual independent checkpoints manned by separate organizations? How about proper body searches for those who bleep the machine instead of the endless "oops I still had my Luger in my pocket" tango?

For an idea of what I mean read this, especially the parts about airport security in Kuwait: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2459
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Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting 764 (Reply 45):
If you had bokked a trip for December back in July and now with these new rules in place - which as we all know are a considerable problem for many travellers - do you not have the right to cancel your tickets at no charge and receive a full refund (assuming the ticket is otherwise nonrefundable)?

While annoying, I don't consider the new carry-on rules that much of a problem. If you check your bags there's no change at all. And if, like me, you almost always travel with carry-on only, it's not really a big deal to purchase a supply of travel-size toiletries and put them in the required clear plastic sealable bag, and put the bag separately on the belt at the security check along with your coat/laptop etc.

After 2 days of the new carry-on rules at GVA, it doesn't seem to be increasing departure delays. And the flight arrivals screen at GVA this morning showed most flights on time. Only a few minor delays of up to 15 minutes or so, including flights from major hubs like LHR/AMS/FRA/CDG etc.
 
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RE: EU's New Hand Luggage Rules In Force

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:05 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 48):
While annoying, I don't consider the new carry-on rules that much of a problem. If you check your bags there's no change at all. And if, like me, you almost always travel with carry-on only, it's not really a big deal to purchase a supply of travel-size toiletries and put them in the required clear plastic sealable bag, and put the bag separately on the belt at the security check along with your coat/laptop etc.

Agree completely. I have no huge problems with the current regs per se. However if they restrict to a small bag that'll be a huge hassle.

My gripe with the new regs is not so much the substance as the assumption that this kind of thing will in fact foil a determined terrorist.
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