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Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:33 pm

Qantas staff 'interrogated' over joke

A rude joke amongst Qantas cabin crew led to airline management intimidating flight attendants and interrogating them four days after the joke was made, a union says.

"While disembarking our passengers we became aware of managers on the aero-bridge with more and more arriving as we helped wheelchair passengers," the memo says.

"Tired, uninformed and unrepresented, we were isolated in different parts of the aircraft ... and read prepared questions.

The union says it has expressed outrage over the behaviour of management.

"In our view, this type of behaviour is more suited to Stalinist regimes and not modern workplaces," the memo says.

More at AAP via The Age
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:46 pm

Well what the heck was the joke? Must have been a good one if it causes this sort of hubbub.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
"In our view, this type of behaviour is more suited to Stalinist regimes and not modern workplaces," the memo says.

Right....let's compare a few Aussie stewardesses/stewards getting questioned about an inappropriate joke on company time to the murder of millions of Russians (and other USSR folks.) Gotta love the union way of thinking about management.
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):

ahh John Howard's new industrial relations reform hard at work here. QF is one of many Australian companies who approve of these recently introduced reforms
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 3:57 pm

Australia's unions and QF's industrial relations is its archilles heel. This is where NZ have it over QF, along with flat bed and PPE (pacific premium economy).
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:03 pm

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 3):
Australia's unions and QF's industrial relations is its archilles heel.

what are you talking about. The samething happened in New Zealand several years ago didn't it. Industrial Reform?
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 4:13 pm

So how many Qantas management types does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
There once was a Qantas manager from Nantucket......
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:30 pm

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
"In our view, this type of behaviour is more suited to Stalinist regimes and not modern workplaces," the memo says.

What total rubbish. An unverified union source is hardly a great source for unbiased information. Yet another post from our friend in Singapore bashing QF. It's not going to get you to LAX.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 2):
ahh John Howard's new industrial relations reform hard at work here. QF is one of many Australian companies who approve of these recently introduced reforms

So what?? Qantas works within the laws of the land just like every other company does. More than likely this is just a leak as part of the ACTU campaign against the government. Qantas, as a supporter, is a natural target for this kind of rumour and innuendo. The fact of the matter is that QF had done this then the union would be jumping up and down and the ACTU would be all over our screens telling us about it. The lack of that happening suggests a storm in a teacup.
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:52 pm

what people outside Australia wouldn't know is the media have had these types of stories(from all industries) in the news since the industrial relations reform came into effect
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:59 pm

It's these industrial reforms of John Howards which will ensure the Union Members have jobs to whinge about.

God help us all if we went down the Union preferred European path, with millions of workers in countries north of us who are increasingly well educated and skilled, and who will work for a month for the pay an Australian gets in a day.

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Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:07 pm

John Howard didn't really seem like a stand-up guy to me before all of this. Say what you will about unions, but some days I wish I had one. I've seen management treat fellow employees like shit before and there was nothing they could do about it to my knowledge. I don't tend to get into fights with management, but if I ever did I'd like to know there was somebody on my side just in case I ever needed some help.
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:36 pm

So, did all the FAs that failed the test get shipped off to Siberia, or did they simply never get heard from again?

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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 6):
Yet another post from our friend in Singapore bashing QF.

Absolutely, took the words right out of my mouth.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 6):
It's not going to get you to LAX.

Ha! Brilliant.

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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:41 pm

Airline aside, it's disgusting that things have reached this level, I have no issue with management wanting to find out what happened, but they didn't give the FA's time to organise someone to support them if they wanted it.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 8):
It's these industrial reforms of John Howards which will ensure the Union Members have jobs to whinge about.

God help us all if we went down the Union preferred European path, with millions of workers in countries north of us who are increasingly well educated and skilled, and who will work for a month for the pay an Australian gets in a day.

We'll never be able to compete with the likes of China and India, even if we did lower ourselves to their level. 1 and 3 billion vs 20 million, they'll have it over us anyday....
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:05 pm

I don;t really see what the big deal is. If the FA's acted inappropriately, surely QF is in it's right to speak to their employee's about the incident?

this would have been the first available time that their managers could have spoken to them and likely the only time they would all have been in the same place for some time to come!

In the real world we don;t all have union reps to hold our hands when our boss wants to have a word!
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:10 pm

Considering that the only problems I have had with QF over the past 30 years has been with some rather ignorant mid-level managers I would guess that this is the same situation. I still shake my head at how dumb and arrogant some of these yo-yos can be.
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):

A rude joke amongst Qantas cabin crew led to airline management intimidating flight attendants and interrogating them four days after the joke was made, a union says.

If the joke was of a type that would get QF sued... bad news. Companies cannot be as patient as they used to be. Sorry if the crew doesn't like that; its the lawsuit happy world we live in.

I don't see why the Stalanist headline? Are tens of millions going to die? Nyet.

Why it gets people to read the article, it doesn't form support. Were crew manhandled? Did anything happen besides a snap interview? Seriously. Legally, QF might have just needed to no the truth after a passanger compaint. What action was taken with the interview information?

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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:49 am

So... what was the joke???
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:56 am

SingaporeAir,

This is simply unbelivable from you. SIA, the wonderful airline that it is, is also the same company that has pentalties in place for FA's found to be having their zipper in the wrong position. Compared to that how on earth can anyone in their right mind suggest Qantas is Stalinist?

Look boy, i've got one piece of advice for you. Get on the pro-SIA/QF merger camp. You'll kill two birds with one stone. Also i might point out, everytime SIA's supportors take a loverly swip at Australia and Australians, they are taking a swipe at one of their most important, highest spending and most loyal customer bases. HOW MANY RICH BITCHES who live in Toorak or on the north shore with views of the opera house take SIA's spacebed to Europe about 3 or 4 times a year? YES PLENTY!!!!! don't forget that. SIA hasn't. you shouldn't either before you take a swipe at us all.
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 17):

Lufthansa,

If you have a problem with the news article, please direct your tirade at news.sydney@aap.com.au

If you want to comment on the memo issued by the Flight Attendants' Association of Australia, specifically the line "In our view, this type of behaviour is more suited to Stalinist regimes and not modern workplaces,", you can contact them at info@faaadomestic.org.au

This thread is about news reported by an Australian news agency. Your advice has been taken into consideration.
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:54 am

...Stalinist regime... blah blah blah...
Singapore_Air, if you had any knowledge about Stalin you might not associate him with QF.
Stalin was a sick lefty who killed millions. I find your comparison quite ridiculous.
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting F22KA (Reply 19):

It isn't the thread starters comparison. If you bothered to read the post, you'd find it was in a memo issued by the Flight Attendants Association Of Australia.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:39 am

Not that I doubt the story for one second, QF as an organisation being what it is, but still ... an Australian Union accusing a company's management of acting "Stalinist" ?? That's rich, coming from an affiliate of the ACTU !!
 
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RE: Qantas Accused Of Being A "Stalinist Regime"

Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:51 pm

Quoting ANstar (Reply 13):
In the real world we don;t all have union reps to hold our hands when our boss wants to have a word!

But we are still (legally) entitled to it ... This is one of the things that Mr. Howard wants to eradicate; one of the reasons that the Unions and staff are "up in arms" about and the reason that this whole issue has been compared to the Stalinist regime.