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Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:59 pm

Clark is reported by FI as saying Emirates will either upgrade the cabin or rollover its fleet of A332s with new A332s in a review of its product offerings for the short term.

The latter could kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Not only will the "old" A332s be easy to sell and fetch quite a handsome figure, this will also solve Emirates' problems with deposits at Airbus leftover from the "cancelled" A346s.

In the long term A332s, B772s and A343s will be replaced by either B787s or A350s (or both).

Link to follow when the latest issue is published.

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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:01 pm

In the same report, Clark also commented that the A350-1000 is still not big enough for Emirates.
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 1):
In the same report, Clark also commented that the A350-1000 is still not big enough for Emirates.

In EK config the 1000 will seat 375 people - I would suggest that if they need anything bigger they should order some 748s (or more 388s!)
 
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 1):
In the same report, Clark also commented that the A350-1000 is still not big enough for Emirates.

I wonder what this means for the 787-10 then?
 
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:02 pm

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 1):
Clark also commented that the A350-1000 is still not big enough for Emirates.

I noted that from the article also. At least it gives us some indication of their specific reservations regarding the A350XWB.
There seemed to be a chance that their reservations were more sinister (i.e. the A350 "was not good enough".....)

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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:05 pm

When I read this forum, I always have that impression that Tim Clark rules the entire design of the civil aviation industry...

Those A332s are recent machines...


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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 5):
Those A332s are recent machines...

They are not that old, but they are being heavily used by EK. The interiors of some are getting quite shabby.

In the article, one of Clark's concerns is that EK goes with the latest cabin innovations with each new type. This makes the cabin of the older planes (i.e. their A332s) look poor in comparison.

Given the cost of refitting the cabin and the time out of service for refit, it might be cheaper for EK to order new-build A332s and sell their current ones as the new ones come on stream.
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:02 am

Could they replace the A332s with A333s to have more room for extra amenities and cargo? The A332s are not flying max-range routes anyway, are they?

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 1):
In the same report, Clark also commented that the A350-1000 is still not big enough for Emirates.

Then why not just order more 773s?
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 7):
Then why not just order more 773s?

He's trying to push Airbus into making the A350-1000 a little larger as by the time it's released, it will (in theory) well out-perform the 773ER so it will be (potentially) that model's replacement.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 7):
Could they replace the A332s with A333s to have more room for extra amenities and cargo?

Makes sense to me.

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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:28 am

Ever since Airbus released the A350xwb in July, I've been stating ad nauseamthat not only is the A350-1000xwb not competitive against the 77W for EK, but for any carrier which puts (or will put) 10-abreast on the 77W...

EK's 777 CASM is very hard to beat..

The current fuselage for the XWB isn't wide enough to put 10-abreast..
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:10 am

Airbus is so desperate to sell A330's they would welcome making Emirates happy since they have all those A380 on order.
 
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:12 am

Its time Airbus and Boeing say to this Emirates "Take it or leave it"!

The B747-8 is to big, make it shorter, but make the A350-1000 longer.. Makes cense to me ;s!
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:14 am

@ JACOBIN777
"...The current fuselage for the XWB isn't wide enough to put 10-abreast.."

AFAIK EMIRATES only puts 10-abreast in the B777, because they have no bigger airplane today which seats more than 500pax.

After delivery of the A388, at least some of the B777s will be refurbished to 9-abreast again and used on other routes.

Then the comfort of the Emirates Eco-Class will be very similar on the A332/343/345 with 8-abreast,the B777 with 9 abreast and the A388 with 10-abreast.
 
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 5):
When I read this forum, I always have that impression that Tim Clark rules the entire design of the civil aviation industry...

Well, you're not alone! Hardly a day passes without some new posturing from Mr. Clark. However, it does have the added benefit in that it saves us the trouble of coming up with our own material!  Wink
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 12):
@JACOBIN777
"...The current fuselage for the XWB isn't wide enough to put 10-abreast.."

AFAIK EMIRATES only puts 10-abreast in the B777, because they have no bigger airplane today which seats more than 500pax.

After delivery of the A388, at least some of the B777s will be refurbished to 9-abreast again and used on other routes.

Then the comfort of the Emirates Eco-Class will be very similar on the A332/343/345 with 8-abreast,the B777 with 9 abreast and the A388 with 10-abreast.

Johnny, I expect EK to keep 10-across for most of their 777's, even after they get their A380's...

Also, having flown in EK cattle a bunch of times, I prefer EK's 10 across with 34' seat pitch over another carriers 9-across with 31-32' seat pitch..

That being said, I enjoy flying on EK's J-class more..removes these little seat pitch problems... spin 
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:10 am

It seems the A330 has never been more popular than it is today and a new EK order for A330s would be quite an endorsement of the type. It's a limited window of opportunity before the 787 comes on stream but Airbus are making the most of it and airlines don't seem reluctant to buy it. EK have 29 A332s currently - all delivered between 1999 and 2003. I wonder how many they would replace and from when. SQ aren't getting theirs until 2009. If EK have to wait as long then the'll be rolling over 10-year old aircraft. That makes sense and these planes will still be in demand.

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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 1):
In the same report, Clark also commented that the A350-1000 is still not big enough for Emirates.



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
In EK config the 1000 will seat 375 people - I would suggest that if they need anything bigger they should order some 748s (or more 388s!)



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):
I wonder what this means for the 787-10 then?

No, what he said, is that A350-1000 is not big enough to do its job. That is, to replace / compete with the 777-300ER.

Earlier, EK said "the 787-9 is not big enough" because it didn't do the job EK wanted it to do. That is, to replace 777-200s and A340-300s. Currently, both the A350-900 and 787-10X do that job.
 
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:39 am

Wouldn´t such a fleet roll-over with A330s a big success for Airbus?

They would not only sell some 30 airplanes more of its A330, they would also avoid that EK orders the B787-8, which would have been available only one year after these new A330s.

What is wrong with the B787, that EK is deferring and deferring its decision more and more?

It cannot be the size of the -8, because they seem to look for A330s replacing the A330s.

So, what is wrong with it?
 
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 17):

What is wrong with the B787, that EK is deferring and deferring its decision more and more?

They said by year's end. It is still November.
 
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:09 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 17):
Wouldn´t such a fleet roll-over with A330s a big success for Airbus?

They would not only sell some 30 airplanes more of its A330, they would also avoid that EK orders the B787-8, which would have been available only one year after these new A330s.

What is wrong with the B787, that EK is deferring and deferring its decision more and more?

It cannot be the size of the -8, because they seem to look for A330s replacing the A330s.

So, what is wrong with it?

It's not going to be made in Europe....that's what's wrong with it.


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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 19):
It's not going to be made in Europe....that's what's wrong with it.

Unlike, say, the 777-300ER or the 747-8F...?
 
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:32 am

Sorry, but i really do not get EKs idea in this case.

WHY did not they order the B787-8 earlier-on to roll-over their A332-Fleet?
 
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 21):
Sorry, but i really do not get EKs idea in this case.

WHY did not they order the B787-8 earlier-on to roll-over their A332-Fleet?

Johnny, they still haven't said they are going to order new A332's, but are possibly thinking about it...

The A330's are probably available soon also, where as the 787's wouldn't be available to EK for a while....
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RE: Emirates To Upgrade/Rollover A332s

Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:07 pm

@Jacobin777
"The A330's are probably available soon also, where as the 787's wouldn't be available to EK for a while...."


-This is the reason i wrote "WHY did not they order the B787-8 earlier-on..."

It looks like they missed early slots of the b787-8 and are looking for options now.

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