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FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:11 am

Just out on Bloomberg
FED EX cancels 10 x A380F order!!!!
Fed Ex buys 15 x 777F plus options for 15 more 777.

Details to follow!

[Edited 2006-11-07 17:12:33]
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:14 am

Are you kidding or is this for real?
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:15 am

ON Fed Ex
November 07, 2006 11:09 AM Eastern Time
FedEx Express to Acquire Boeing 777 Freighters
Company Cancels A380 Order

MEMPHIS, Tenn.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--FedEx Express, a unit of FedEx Corp. (NYSE: FDX), announced today an agreement with The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA) to acquire 15 new Boeing 777 Freighter aircraft with options to purchase an additional 15 aircraft. The decision to purchase the 777F was made after Airbus announced significant delays in delivery of the A380. FedEx Express notified Airbus that it has cancelled its order for 10 A380-800Fs.

"Global demand for air cargo and express services continues to grow rapidly and FedEx has made significant investments in our network to meet customers’ needs and fulfill our business objectives. Therefore, it was necessary and prudent for us to acquire the Boeing 777 Freighter." said Frederick W. Smith, chairman, president and chief executive officer, FedEx Corp. “The availability and delivery timing of this aircraft, coupled with its attractive payload range and economics, make this choice the best decision for FedEx, its customers, shareowners and employees.”

FedEx Express continues to be Airbus' largest wide-body airplane customer and will add additional new and used Airbus wide-body aircraft to its fleet in coming years. Six new A300-600 aircraft are scheduled to join the FedEx fleet in 2007.


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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:15 am

What betting that in the future all those early pax 777As that nobody wants will be purple package freighters? The MD10/11s days are numbered.

Certainly didn't see this one coming!
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:15 am

Two words: Holy Cow.

This is a blow to the A380F. too bad.

Good for the 777F...

I wonder what UPS' thoughts are now...
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Just out on Bloomberg
FED EX cancels 10 x A380F order!!!!
Fed Ex buys 15 x 777F plus options for 15 more 777.

If this is actually true then it sure is a surprise. I would have imagined UPS doing something like this but not FedEx.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:17 am

FEd EX cited Airbus's delay in the A380 program for cancelllation.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 6):
If this is actually true then it sure is a surprise.

It's true. First A380 cancellation.

Guess it was inevitable.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:18 am

Awesome news! Congrats Boeing and FedEx!
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:19 am

Oops....now it's up to the "brown-coloured tail" airline to decide about the fate of A380F....
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:20 am

Stunning is all I can say. Like others, I had almost expected this from UPS, but FEDEX? No way. Just as large as the A380 cancellation IMO is the fact that this huge 777F order (15 x 15) just about guarantees the success of this program. Simply incredible news.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:21 am

The only positive outcome I can see with all of this is availability of the slots A380 pax. Other than this it sure is a major blow to the A380 Freighter program.

So this just leaves UPS with 10x A380F + ILFC with 5x A380F.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:21 am

Its rather surprising news and IMO a bad one from FX. The A380F I think is perfectly suited for FX and UPS with 2 floors that provides a lot of space for parcel cargo. I don't blame traditional cargo carriers for not going with the 747-8F, but for parcel carriers I think 380F is the best choice, very surprising news and big blow to 380F program.
Wasn't FX brass raving about the 380F and how they will buy all the old pax versions and convert them to Freighters come 2020? What happened between then and now?
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:22 am

Yeah I'm wondering if UPS cancels, would Airbus continue on with the A380F? All the bulk carriers are not buying it and now the package carriers have their doubts underscored by Fed Ex's cancellation.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:22 am

I would expect UPS to convert to some 777F or 787F soon. Not from inside knowledge.. but they have been very vocal about it and are probably awaiting to see when and how much they could get...

This is pretty sad that Airbus is losing customer confidence like this.. I really hope they can get themselves in gear..
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:22 am

wow, I never expected this  eek 

But anyway, great news for Boeing and FX  Smile


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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:23 am

This is probably the beginning of the end for the A380F, with only one airline customer and 15 orders left.


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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:24 am

haha, i wonder how airbus feels. Maybe they realize now they need to hurry the A380 up.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:24 am

Major blow ! The year is getting better and better for the 777 . Qatar announce that it is exerc. 20 options for the T7 , now the 15 F's and 4 777 for TAM . Boeing has more then doubled its 777 orders for the year in the last few weeks.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:24 am

No such thing as a 787F, yet but UPS is for sure looking at a combo of 748F and 777F if they decide to cancel there A380 order.

I wonder what ILFC would do then?
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:24 am

Wow.
Great news for the 777F programme.

When was FX expecting first delivery of the 380F anyway?

Not good for Airbus, and not for the EA programme either.


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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:24 am

YES!!!! I'm so happy they cancelled the whalejet and went with the 777. Way to go FedEx

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:25 am

I can see Fedex beginning an eventual very large relationship with the 777F as the worlds MD-11 supply is being depleted.

Also interesting to note, Fedex had planned to use the A380F for intra-hub flying trying to avoid the current practice wing tip to wing tip flying performed by multiples of smaller types.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 6):
If this is actually true then it sure is a surprise.

Now posted on Yahoo Finance:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061107/20061107005865.html?.v=1
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:26 am

Fedex was the least customer I expected to cancel the A380.
Sad news for Airbus but congrats to Boeing for winning another customer for the 777F.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:26 am

Wouldn't 748F be a better fit for FedEx as they carry more volume intensive cargos?

777F is a great freighter for heavy cargos, unless FedEx changes it's business plans, 777F seems to be an overkill on weight.

However, 777F, with a light load of cargo, would allow FedEx fly to Asia direct. Didn't FedEx plan to set up a hub in Guanzhao?
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 8):

It's true. First A380 cancellation.

Guess it was inevitable.

True, although I would not have expected it from FedEx. I still remain confident that FedEx will end up operating the A380 in the future. Even if it's only used A380's

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
Awesome news! Congrats Boeing and FedEx!

Awesome? To Boeing yes, but not for the A380 program. I still fail to see how the A380 delays would result in them drooping the order in favour for the B777F.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 10):
Oops....now it's up to the "brown-coloured tail" airline to decide about the fate of A380F....

Which also remain rather uncertain. It will be interesting to see what happens.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:27 am

Wow. I mean talk about losing a key customer...
If Airbus does not get its crap together soon. Stakes are very high for 1000's of people with good paying jobs in the Euro zone (and other non-euro suppliers). ILFC would probably be quick to cancel as well as they won't hav anyone to lease the A 380F's to anymore!
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:28 am

Wow, great move for FedEx! Looking forward to seeing a 777 in purple.

The beginning of the end for the 380F?

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:28 am

While it is bad news for Airbus, I think the question whether the 380F is in jeopardy is not that relevant. As long as the overall A380 program stays alive (and it will, they're far beyond the point of no return), sooner or later, when the startup problems will have been sorted out, it'll be easy to make an F version that airlines will buy. And this is assuming that UPS and ILFC will also cancel their -F orders, which for the moment is not the case.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:29 am

Just saw it on Bloomberg here and it is FOR REAL!  yes 

FXramper had called me yesterday in MEM and told me this could happen within the next 24-48hrs. Guess it did.


Great news for Boeing and the 777F program. Congrats to the guys at Boeing and FX.

Here is the offical link:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=apT9XEc.njNY
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:29 am

Congratulations to FedEx and Boeing.

As for the A380 cancellation - it was inevitable, a matter of "when" rather then "if". Airbus has stretched the patience of the customers way too much to get of this one without consequences.

I think there is at least 50% chance that UPS will do the same. With only 15 orders for the A380F (10 for UPS and 5 for ILFC), there is no logic to even develop the freighter version - it will not recover the development costs. The A380 is simply not adequate for a freighter configuration with its double deck. The B748F is a much more adequate product for such application.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 27):
I still fail to see how the A380 delays would result in them drooping the order in favour for the B777F.

The A380 F is also delayed (all deliveries were pushed further to the right. Thus Fed Ex's decision. That is why UPS is reconsidering their decision.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 11):
Stunning is all I can say. Like others, I had almost expected this from UPS, but FEDEX? No way. Just as large as the A380 cancellation IMO is the fact that this huge 777F order (15 x 15) just about guarantees the success of this program. Simply incredible news.



Quoting FlyingHippo (Reply 26):
Wouldn't 748F be a better fit for FedEx as they carry more volume intensive cargos?

777F is a great freighter for heavy cargos, unless FedEx changes it's business plans, 777F seems to be an overkill on weight.

However, 777F, with a light load of cargo, would allow FedEx fly to Asia direct. Didn't FedEx plan to set up a hub in Guanzhao?

I am actually pretty shocked that this order went 77F rather then 748. So much for the frequent line from the A380 apologists that volume, not weight would sell the A380.
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:33 am

Certainly a dramatic u-turn in strategic thinking in just over one-year's time:

"FedEx outlines its A380F fleet expansion strategy"

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...380F+fleet+expansion+strategy.html
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:33 am

Jeez............what a nice little earner for Boeing!

The 380 programme goes from bad to worse!
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:33 am

Wow.... Hadn't expected that one!

Congratulations to Boeing. As for Airbus, well, you've brought it on yourselves!
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:34 am

It's strange but Fed Ex placed their A380F order in 2003 or 2004 (I forget when) so they're a relatively new customer to the A380 program but one of the first to bail.

I guess this means that Airbus will be removing the Fed Ex sticker from the A380 that's flying.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 30):
And this is assuming that UPS and ILFC will also cancel their -F orders, which for the moment is not the case.

I thought the ILFC A380Fs were the two for EK, which have since been converted to A380 pax? If so, then UPS is the only A380F customer remaining.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:34 am

I am honestly not trying to be sensationalist, but this strikes me as a serious blow to the A380F program. If the package carriers are starting to have second thoughts...

Anyone know if the 777Fs are going to replace DC-10Fs and MD-11Fs? Or are they just for expansion?

While FX could take "A388ACF" conversions down the road, if they standardize on the 777F (since it perfectly replaces their MD-11F fleet in payload and stage length), not having the A380F in their fleet hurts the chances of the A350F and A330F a bit, especially if the 777F becomes the new backbone.

I won't be so bold or reckless to make a guess on 5X's plans, but with them adding 744Fs and FX now joining EK and possibly KE in cancelling their A380F orders, the trends are not favorable, in my mind, to 5X keeping the A380F order.

And if they go, will ILFC follow, as well?
 
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:35 am

Wow, anyone with a FedEx A380 model will have a real collector's item now...

Just think of the millions that FedEx already spent in preparing for the A380. The deal from Boeing must have been really good and Fred Smith must have been really upset at Airbus for the delays.

Lesson for FedEx suppliers: don't be late!

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 41):
Anyone know if the 777Fs are going to replace DC-10Fs and MD-11Fs? Or are they just for expansion?

Just surmising based on capacities, but I'd guess that the 777F is the replacement aircraft for FEDEX's massive DC-10 fleet.

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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 12):
So this just leaves UPS with 10x A380F + ILFC with 5x A380F.

I thought EK had some A380F on order...  yes  or  no  on that?
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:38 am

Airbus' reaction:

"Airbus regrets the decison made by FedEx, but we understand their need to urgently address their capacity growth," saind Barbara Kracht, an Airbus Spokesperson. "We continue to believe the A380 is and excellent Aircraft."
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:40 am

Well, "The World on time" is Fedex slogan, the acted accordingly.


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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:42 am

FedEx is also taking option for 15 777F, so total eventually will be 30

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 44):
I thought EK had some A380F on order...

No. They converted it back to A380Pax and went on ordered 10 747-8F and 10 on option
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 46):
Looks like VLA market is more and more divided: 748 will be the VLA freighter while A380 will be the passenger VLA.

Not necessarily. If the rumors are correct than Boeing may have it's first 748I order this month and don't forget EK and BA among others.
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:44 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 43):
Just surmising based on capacities, but I'd guess that the 777F is the replacement aircraft for FEDEX's massive DC-10s.

From the initial article, it states the 777F are to replace th MD-11 with added cargo capacity and an extra 2200nm. Not a bad payoff.. And as FedEx has 58? 48? 46? MD-11, I am thinking there will be more orders to go if Boeing can get them to FedEx on time and on budget...

Although it would be very nice, I don't think I'll be seeing the 777F in RDU.. but ya'll tell me how good she looks!
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RE: FED EX Buys 15 X 777F, Cancels A380F

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 49):
Although it would be very nice, I don't think I'll be seeing the 777F in RDU.. but ya'll tell me how good she looks!

Now you weren't expecting an A380 at RDU, were you?
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