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Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:28 am

On Sunday night, a Delta MD-88 ran off the taxiway at JAN and was stuck in the mud. The 92 passengers were transported by bus to the terminal. This is the second time a Delta aircraft ran off the taxiway at JAN this year.

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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:54 am

Perhaps someone is going to need to address JAN's taxiway issue- wonder where this 88 ran off compared to the last one.

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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:24 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
Perhaps someone is going to need to address JAN's taxiway issue- wonder where this 88 ran off compared to the last one.

Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays duck !

Quoting Clarion Ledger:
The plane was taxiing to the gate and making a left turn when its rear wheel dropped off the concrete and onto the grass.
"It got stuck," Wilson said. "It's a very heavy aircraft."

How heavy is an MD-88/90 compared to say a 738?
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:29 pm

perhaps the 88 captains/FO's need to pay more attention!
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:46 pm

At least they didn't attempt to land on it!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:16 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays

Nooo, we love the Long Beach sewer pipes. It's nice to see some MD products in the fleet for now, it'll be all Boeing before too long.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
How heavy is an MD-88/90 compared to say a 738?

In the same weight range- MTOW for the 88 is 140K, 90 is 156K, and the 738 is 155K....so nearly the same.

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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:27 pm

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays !

Amen brother!!!!!!! You should be the VP of fleet planning/aquisitions. By far the worst a/c ever to leave the ground............they get worse every time I have to work on/around one.(not from a safety standpoint, they are just a ROYAL pain in the a$$.............musta been some strong stuff being passed around in Long Beach during development!!!!!!!!!)
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:54 pm

the -88s aren't leaving anytime soon. They're only about 14yrs on avg and they'll be around for at least another 5-6 years.

they will be used on different sectors within the next few years however.
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:01 pm

LOL, AA has MUCH older 80s than DL, and a slew more of them, so DL flyers should be happy that there are only like 120 of the birds in the DL fleet. And yes, they are certainly among the newest of the MD80 line flying, not including the 90 or 717. And last time I checked, DL was in bankruptcy, so while I'm sure there is a plan to transition them out of the fleet, it won't happen all too soon.

For what it's worth, I flew on 4 of the 88s last month, and had no problem with them. Don't quite understand what the big deal is with MD80 haters, other than them being used for long flights and there is no IFE to speak of.

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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:18 am

How does getting different models of planes change how an aircraft slips off the taxiway? I'm just guessing it has something to do with misjudging the turn and it slipping off, not what type of plane you are in. Maybe I'm wrong...
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays

No way!!!! Only if you want to make the DL flagship the CRJ!

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 7):
they will be used on different sectors within the next few years however.

Yes, I'm booked MBJ-ATL next year on an MD-88. Will be nice to see them in this operating sector. Though, the route is nothing special, just nice to see the MD's used out of the US.
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:47 am

Which airport is JAN?
 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 11):
Which airport is JAN?

JAN; Jackson, Mississippi USA The State Capitol & largest city in the state.

[Edited 2006-11-08 18:00:06]
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:01 am

Jackson, Mississippi.
 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:17 am

Key quote:

“It got stuck,” {Jackson International Airport Authority Chief Operating Office Bonnie}Wilson said. “It’s a very heavy aircraft.”

I think she's ready to manage JFK or LHR now, what do you think?

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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:21 am

“It got stuck,” {Jackson International Airport Authority Chief Operating Office Bonnie}Wilson said. “It’s a very heavy aircraft.”

I think she's ready to manage JFK or LHR now, what do you think?


Yeah, and you're point? How and why does she need to be anymore elegant than "the airplane got stuck."
 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Reply 15):
“It got stuck,” {Jackson International Airport Authority Chief Operating Office Bonnie}Wilson said. “It’s a very heavy aircraft.”

I think she's ready to manage JFK or LHR now, what do you think?

Yeah, and you're point? How and why does she need to be anymore elegant than "the airplane got stuck."

I think hes talking about the weight of the aircraft. How she calls a Mad Dog heavy, when JFK and LHR see numerous widebody aircraft daily.
 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays

How this statement is relevant to this post is beyond me. Gotta love the a.net forums!
 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
Perhaps DL needs to expedite getting rid of their MD-88/90 a/c. They are the biggest rust buckets in their fleet nowadays

And replace them with what?
NW DC-9's? There is nothing wrong with the DL MD-88.
I flew one into JAN last Weds night..........and we stayed ON the taxiway.
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:23 am

At least it did'nt land on a taxiway!
 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:48 am

Well the runways/taxiways at JAN are probably no less bumpy than the bare ground, thanks to the yazoo clay.

The darkness probably didn't help the situation either.

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 14):
“It’s a very heavy aircraft.”

I think she's ready to manage JFK or LHR now, what do you think?

I guess the MD-88 is finally gotten old enough be called a "heavy"...hehe
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 16):
I think hes talking about the weight of the aircraft. How she calls a Mad Dog heavy, when JFK and LHR see numerous widebody aircraft daily.

I was referring to your first thought; What commercial aircraft is not heavy?

I don't think most non-av people out there would know the difference in ATC designations.

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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:36 am

Back in my ramp agent days, I once was getting ready to load a 767 when I noticed a taxiway light stuck in between the wheel trucks of the plane. No, you read that correctly, an entire(and pretty crushed) taxiway light that line the taxiways stuck in the wheel truck of the main landing gear. And complete too, with little wires hanging out of the end. No one seemed to notice until I saw it, and the plane had been sitting there at the gate pretty much all day. I guess line maintenance hadn't made it out there yet.

Apparently, I guess the airplane was making a turn from a taxiway onto either another taxiway or runway and the captain just made the turn a little sharp or early and the main gear strayed over and struck a light.

So if there are any airports out there mysteriously missing a taxiway light, I think I have your culprit.




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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 2):
How heavy is an MD-88/90 compared to say a 738?

Max takeoff weights are for the following :

MD88 max takeoff : 150000 lbs max landing : 130000 lbs
MD90 max takeoff : 160500 lbs max landing : 142000 lbs
B737-800 max takeoff : 172200 lbs max landing : 146300 lbs

The takeoff weights for the DL B737-800 and MD90 vary +/- 300 lbs.

Also......Aluminum oxidizes....it does not rust(even though rust is form of oxidation)...I guess that you consider a 1975 B727-200 to be a "non" rust bucket

Quoting Tu154m (Reply 6):
Amen brother!!!!!!! You should be the VP of fleet planning/aquisitions. By far the worst a/c ever to leave the ground............they get worse every time I have to work on/around one.(not from a safety standpoint, they are just a ROYAL pain in the a$$.............musta been some strong stuff being passed around in Long Beach during development!!!!!!!!!)

TU154m.......The DC9/MD88/MD90 may not be the easiest to work especially in the cargo bins....but before you condemn them you need to try loading a F28-1000/4000 aft bin. You must crawl in these bins and the floor is pure fiberglass.

You obviously need to get out of the industry if these A/C are the only ones you bitch about. If you keep whacking your head in the bins, you need to then wear a football helmet to protect your head. I work around around DL MD88s; me & my associates work fine around them.

Also watch it....I have a retired MDC worker sitting near me and you shudda heard his comments....

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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 16):
I think hes talking about the weight of the aircraft. How she calls a Mad Dog heavy, when JFK and LHR see numerous widebody aircraft daily.

To JAN it's probably the heaviest aircraft compared to the RJ's.

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 22):
an entire(and pretty crushed) taxiway light that line the taxiways stuck in the wheel truck of the main landing gear. And complete too, with little wires hanging out of the end.

Those lights are designed to break away easily without damage to equipment. A taxiway light on a wooden plaque are popular airport authority gifts for retiring airline station managers.

I'm sure when you saw that you had a WTF expression.
 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 23):
TU154m.......The DC9/MD88/MD90 may not be the easiest to work especially in the cargo bins....but before you condemn them you need to try loading a F28-1000/4000 aft bin. You must crawl in these bins and the floor is pure fiberglass.

You obviously need to get out of the industry if these A/C are the only ones you bitch about. If you keep whacking your head in the bins, you need to then wear a football helmet to protect your head. I work around around DL MD88s; me & my associates work fine around them.

Also watch it....I have a retired MDC worker sitting near me and you shudda heard his comments....

Yes...I prefer Boeings but they also have their quarks/gremlins and associated P.I.T.A.sses

KD

OK, I'll wear my footbal helmet next time I'm working on the lovely pack systems or the incredibly well designed relay array in the e/e or lest I forget the lovely canted bulkhead door in the forward wheel well area. As you can see, there are alot more areas than just the cargo bins. I'll also hire a bodyguard since I need to watch it, now that expressing my opinion has put out a hit on me by your co-worker.
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 23):
You obviously need to get out of the industry if these A/C are the only ones you bitch about. If you keep whacking your head in the bins, you need to then wear a football helmet to protect your head. I work around around DL MD88s; me & my associates work fine around them.

If you do a little search on Tu154m's posts I think you'll find he's not a rampy. We mechanics have our own reasons for disliking particular aircraft and the bag bins are pretty far down on the list. The percentage of our time that we spend in them is quite low. As for the 90 I can echo Tu's sentiments. There will be a one huge helluva party in DL line maint when they finally get rid of those b@$^ard stepchildren MD-90s.

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
Perhaps someone is going to need to address JAN's taxiway issue

Perhaps someone needs to address DL pilots JAN taxiway following issue.  duck 

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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:40 pm

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 24):
To JAN it's probably the heaviest aircraft compared to the RJ's.

Actually those would be the C-17's with the Mississippi ANG based at JAN.
 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:15 pm

The last DAL aircraft to get stuck in the mud at JAN was a 757. Perhaps now 757's are rust buckets and need to be retired? What an idiotic statement even by airliners.net standards.
 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 10):
No way!!!! Only if you want to make the DL flagship the CRJ!

It already is at SLC thanks to Leo!  gnasher 

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 18):
And replace them with what?
NW DC-9's? There is nothing wrong with the DL MD-88.

The MD-88 is merely a younger sibling of the DC-9. There are still people out there that want to re-engine these a/c and get another round of years out of them. Some people just want to get the most out of Douglas a/c rather than let them die the honorable death to the cutters at Victorville or Pinal.

Quoting Tu154m (Reply 6):
By far the worst a/c ever to leave the ground............they get worse every time I have to work on/around one.(not from a safety standpoint, they are just a ROYAL pain in the a$$.............musta been some strong stuff being passed around in Long Beach during development!!!!!!!!!)

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Quoting CactusA319 (Reply 17):
How this statement is relevant to this post is beyond me. Gotta love the a.net forums!

Most everyone on a.net forums have likes and dislikes. I fly SLC-YVR tomorrow on a 738 and I'm damn happy it isn't an MD-88/90!
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Md88captain (Reply 28):
The last DAL aircraft to get stuck in the mud at JAN was a 757. Perhaps now 757's are rust buckets and need to be retired? What an idiotic statement even by airliners.net standards.

How true--some folks will argue about anything. And to think some folks also wonder why threads creep off-topic...
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 27):
Actually those would be the C-17's with the Mississippi ANG based at JAN.

No joke, C-17's???

So much for the taxiway excuse. Pilot error, it sounds.
 
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:46 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 24):
Those lights are designed to break away easily without damage to equipment.



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 24):
I'm sure when you saw that you had a WTF expression.

The expression part is entirely correct! Its good to see that they are designed to break away easily, but wedged into the wheel trucks of a 767 was one of the last places I would expect to find it. I saw the FO walking down the steps to do a walk around and casually strolled over and mentioned, "Sir, would you please come with me, I have to show you something." His eyes got as bis as golfballs before going up and bringing the Captain down. Needless to say, maintenance was called. LOL



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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:25 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 22):
I once was getting ready to load a 767 when I noticed a taxiway light stuck in between the wheel trucks of the plane. No, you read that correctly, an entire(and pretty crushed) taxiway light that line the taxiways stuck in the wheel truck of the main landing gear. And complete too, with little wires hanging out of the end

LMAO...!!! I'm sure the plan was to drop it off when they got back out there... quick so no one would notice... that is classic....
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RE: Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN

Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 31):
No joke, C-17's???

So much for the taxiway excuse. Pilot error, it sounds.

Nope, no joke. The C-17's have been based there with the Air Guard for several years after they replaced the C-141 Starlifters that were previously stationed at JAN. There are two parallel runways there at either 8 or 9,000, I forget which one. Concorde has operated out of JAN as well.

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