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SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:10 am

see bottom.....so This is what will be the 787-9 looks like when Airbus builds them

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h190/jimyvr/SQ787.jpg
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:13 am

Huh?

Where did you get "Airbus" from any of the above?
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting Curmudgeon (Reply 1):
Where did you get "Airbus" from any of the above?

The picture is that of Airbus' A350XWB that where he's getting it from. Pretty bad mistake coming from a premier airline!!!
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:17 am

That is a picture of the A350, not the 787, yet the page says nothing about any Airbus product.

It's a mistake, that's where he got "Airbus" from.

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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:18 am

That's rich...  rotfl 

And the cabin picture is from the A388, is it not?
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:18 am

It's actually a picture of the A350-800 nonXWB.

An unfortunate rare lapse and error on SIA's part.
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:20 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
That's rich...

And the cabin picture is from the A388, is it not?

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Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:26 am

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 5):
It's actually a picture of the A350-800 nonXWB.

Correct. That's not the 350X. It's just the A350 (version 3?).

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
And the cabin picture is from the A388, is it not?

Yes, A388 upper deck, it looks like.

Again, this is because they only photo ready mockups they had were of the A388, and weren't expecting to launch the product on the 773ER first...
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:26 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 6):
777-300ER

I know it is supposed to be a 773ER, however when SQ showed off the new seats for all three classes, they used the A388 mock-up because they did not have a 773ER cabin or mock-up to shoot in.

[Edited 2006-11-08 03:26:47]
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:17 pm

I don't see a mistake here. The top part of the article speaks of new "cabin products" which include the new seat suites. The brochure doesn't state the cabin is limited to one aircraft type or the other nor does the brochure state the photo is the interior of a boeing aircraft. Really, the interior of airbus and boeing aircraft are not all that different to the average traveler. All have windows, all are big round tubes. Sure the 380 second floor differs from other planes with it's curved ceiling, but to the average traveler they just wont see that stuff.

The bottom portion of the brochure deals with an entirely different topic, SIA's purchase of the 787.

I don't see a gaffe or mistake
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:23 pm

The A350 loks like a OLD A350-version with the cockpit windows of the XWB.

Which version could that be? A350Mk Threeandahalf...
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:35 pm

why did they order 19 773ERs? why don't they just go for 20? how do they figure out these kinda numbers when they can't even be certain where they'll use it to fly to?

i know some airlines are superstitious (they skipped 9V-SWC) so perhaps superstition has something to do with ordering 19 77Ws?

i read somewhere that they'll have a total of 77 777s. real lucky indeed.
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 11):
how do they figure out these kinda numbers when they can't even be certain where they'll use it to fly to?

I think that's confidential to the airline. Route planning is very dynamic.
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Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:46 pm

This was a good one Jimmyvr. I think the people who made this, was more into Commercial Ads, than into airplanes. Anyhow, Singapore Airline representatives, should have seen this.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 5):
It's actually a picture of the A350-800 nonXWB.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Correct. That's not the 350X. It's just the A350 (version 3?).

Are you sure about this. Look at the cockpit windows. IIRC this is from the latest edition + there has not been any official pictures of the A350 in Singapore Airlines before the XWB was revealed.
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:57 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
Pretty bad mistake coming from a premier airline!!!

It is a mistake, true. But who, apart from us, will notice?! And, more importantly, who will care?? It makes little difference which a/c they show, the general public will have no clue if it's right or wrong and even if they did, it wouldn't affect their decision on who to fly with. Perhaps SQ merely thought the A350 was more photogenic! Lol.
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:12 pm

And given the 787 is likely to be used on regional routes I also doubt it will even see that J class!
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:44 pm

The picture IS NOT of a 773ER. 777 don'y have winglets. The inside will be truly a new level of Singapore's Signature service. I can't wait to fly on one.
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 13):
Are you sure about this. Look at the cockpit windows.

The last "regular" 350 had those cockpit windows.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9):
I don't see a gaffe or mistake

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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
Pretty bad mistake coming from a premier airline!!!

United Airlines made an even bigger mistake three years ago, when they ran a picture of a 747 passing overhead in one of their newspaper ads.

Unfortunately, the 747 was easily identifiable as a Northwest 747. United wasn't aware of the gaffe until Northwest made the media aware of it.
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:35 pm

This thread speaks volumes about the 'differences' between A and B when even the plane spotters get confused over a confusion.
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 18):
United Airlines made an even bigger mistake three years ago, when they ran a picture of a 747 passing overhead in one of their newspaper ads.

Unfortunately, the 747 was easily identifiable as a Northwest 747. United wasn't aware of the gaffe until Northwest made the media aware of it.

Can someone find this ad somewhere? I'm very curious to have a look at it here.
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Johnny (Reply 10):
The A350 loks like a OLD A350-version with the cockpit windows of the XWB.

Which version could that be? A350Mk Threeandahalf...

We shouldn't even have to ASK ourselves which "version" of the 350 this was. But, because there have been so many itterations of the plane -- launched, re-launched, etc. ad nauseum, it's difficult for us to discern which is which. I wish they'd just launch the thing once and for all and start construction.

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 14):
It is a mistake, true. But who, apart from us, will notice?! And, more importantly, who will care?? It makes little difference which a/c they show, the general public will have no clue if it's right or wrong and even if they did, it wouldn't affect their decision on who to fly with. Perhaps SQ merely thought the A350 was more photogenic! Lol.

Well... that's the point, really. We're confused because there were SO MANY versions of the A350 foisted on the airlines as new... all new, etc. You're correct that the average flying public wouldn't know, but it was still incumbent on SIA to get it right (correct image). It's sortof a slap in the face to Boeing, who I'm guessing really DO care about which plane's image appears in that advertisement. They've got the number one all-time best selling widebody (before EIS), and it's been chosen by one of the premier airlines of the world. I think they care about the image in that ad.

Quoting Voodoo (Reply 19):
This thread speaks volumes about the 'differences' between A and B when even the plane spotters get confused over a confusion.

No... it speaks volumes about "A" and the VOLUME of revisions to the A350 -- If "we" are confused, I can't imagine what the airlines must be going through  Smile
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16):
The picture IS NOT of a 773ER. 777 don'y have winglets. The inside will be truly a new level of Singapore's Signature service. I can't wait to fly on one.

No one is saying that the picture is of a 77W. They're saying that is is a picture of an Airbus A350, which SIA states is a Boeing 787. The 77W only came into the equation with the cabin mock up above, of the new first class cabin. The cabin mock up is of an Airbus A380, however the new cabin will first fly with the 77W.

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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:07 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):

The last "regular" 350 had those cockpit windows.

I checked it out, and that is true. The latest edition also does not have the winglets as shown in the picture. That makes this even more weird, as SIA did not sign any contract before the A350XWB but still someone has put the SIA colors on the A350 (part 4?) edition of the plane
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:01 am

Clearly sloppy work on the part of the advertising company; somebody in SQ's marketing department will lose their head on this one. You can't talk about ordering Boeing airplanes and show an Airbus.

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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:10 am

Silly marketing mistake. 99% of the pax out there wont know the difference.
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting Shinkai (Reply 11):
why did they order 19 773ERs?

Actually, the main order was for 18 B777-300ERs. Then SQ exercised an option left over from a B777-200ER order.
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 24):



Quoting Baw716 (Reply 24):
Clearly sloppy work on the part of the advertising company; somebody in SQ's marketing department will lose their head on this one

or may be some "discipline"......
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:27 am

Someone in Singapore's advertising department is due for a rattan caning.
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 9):
I don't see a gaffe or mistake



Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 25):
99% of the pax out there wont know the difference.

Actually, you'd be surprised how sensitive companies can be when their products or services are or appear to be misrepresented. Kodak was quite upset when an ad we made for their paper and processing showed someone using a Noritsu kiosk to choose their photos - a direct competitor in that market. We didn't use Kodak kiosks but they insisted that we show one in the ad for "product continuity". There were several other such issues regarding ads during my time in photo retail, so this SIA ad consternation doesn't surprise me at all.

I am surprised, however, that no one in the chain - from creation to final sign-off - caught this.
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Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 28):
Someone in Singapore's advertising department is due for a rattan caning.

Yeah, that did come to mind!  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:44 am

Interesting mistake, but nobody outside of this site will even notice or care. The vast majority of the travelling public have no idea what kind of aircraft they are boarding.

What impresses me is the size of the seats show in the photo. Good lord those look wide and comfortable
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16):
The picture IS NOT of a 773ER. 777 don'y have winglets.

You're a genius. Read the thread next time.
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:46 am

Am I the only person that thinks the new seats are literally ridiculous?

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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
Remind me never to hire you for anything important...

Hah! My bad! Now, I see. Jeez, I thought the initial thread was talking about the cabin interior. It is the photo of the 350 at the bottom of the page with the 787 discussion. You're right, don't hire me!
 
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 23):
I checked it out, and that is true.

I'm happy that you are more confident now of my factual statement. Maybe you can trust me in the future about other things?  Wink

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 31):
Interesting mistake, but nobody outside of this site will even notice or care.

Give me a break. Plenty of people know enough to read the ad and see that they do not mention Airbus ONCE in the ad, yet they show only Airbus products.

The target audience - RICH flyers or CEO type business flyers - does know quite a bit about which planes they like to fly best, which airlines offer the best F on which planes, etc., and some will wonder a bit why the ad photography doesn't match any of the products SIA mentions in the ad copy...

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 33):
Am I the only person that thinks the new seats are literally ridiculous?

No, but I was told I had to see them to believe them...  Wink
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 33):
Am I the only person that thinks the new seats are literally ridiculous?

No....and "happy birthday"... Smile
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:10 am

The seats are not "ridiculous". SQ clearly had intended to introduce these seats on the A380...but the seats will probably be ready before the aircraft will, so they will introduce them on the 777-300ER. What I find interesting is that the economics of these seats is the polar opposite of what other carriers are doing with their business class seats; providing a "lie flat" or "flat bed" at a density that approaches current cabin capacities. SQ will introduce these four seat across (losing two seats per row). This has got to cost a ton of money in seat mile costs.

Also, as I look at their new Economy product, I can't square the extra "legroom" they claim they are giving their passengers with the pictures of the product, which seem to reduce the seat pitch to 31"...I suppose they will have to cram more Economy seats into that aircraft to attempt to cover some of the cost of these oversize Business Class seats. I need to see more information on the actual seat width, pitch, etc.

What is even more interesting is the First Class suite. It is 35" across; about the size of a twin bed. I wonder if these new "suites" can accommodate more than one passenger...the wide screen is a complete waste of space and with eight suites on the 777-300ER, it will be interesting to see if they actually fill the space. I look at the Business Class seats and the F class seats and ask myself why anyone would pay the difference for F class, when the J class seat will be totally adequate (and would have to cost a fortune).

While I know the competition to come up with the ideal "bed seat" for business class is probably the most interesting and challenging competition in the industry today, SQ is taking a big risk. Of course, I have always believed that SQ management are extremely shreud business people. Things may not be always what they seem...so I have to reserve judgement a little. SQ's gamble ultimately be a winner; considering BA is shortly going to be introducing their new Business Class seat and unless BA's product has some very interesting features, I can't see how it will hold a candle to what SQ is promising. In this respect, SQ has really dealt BA a serious blow from a marketing perspective. After all, perception is everything in marketing...

Time will tell if SQ has come up with the right formula.

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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 35):
Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 31):
Interesting mistake, but nobody outside of this site will even notice or care.

Give me a break. Plenty of people know enough to read the ad and see that they do not mention Airbus ONCE in the ad, yet they show only Airbus products.

The target audience - RICH flyers or CEO type business flyers - does know quite a bit about which planes they like to fly best, which airlines offer the best F on which planes, etc., and some will wonder a bit why the ad photography doesn't match any of the products SIA mentions in the ad copy...

Well I fly J,F, and before joining this site I didn't know a 767 from a A300 until I read the friggin safety card.

I was simply trying to say that most people will look at the plane photo, and have no idea it's not a 787.
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Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 38):
Well I fly J,F, and before joining this site I didn't know a 767 from a A300 until I read the friggin safety card.

So because you were ignorant, that means everyone is?

Every seasoned business traveler I have ever met who flies in J and F internationally does, in fact, have a good idea about what plane they are on, who flies what and which is most comfortable. They know they prefer the 747 on one airline and the 340 on another, etc. If they fly SQ regularly, they know SQ offers great service on certain routes, but have a "regional" configuration on other routes, etc.

It doesn't mean they are up to date on the future of airline fleets, but that's what the ad is for! It's to update these intelligent, wealthy clients about the product they will offer. So it would be nice if it was accurate...  Wink
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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:53 am

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 37):
This has got to cost a ton of money in seat mile costs.



Quoting Baw716 (Reply 37):
.the wide screen is a complete waste of space



Quoting Baw716 (Reply 37):
, which seem to reduce the seat pitch to 31"...I suppose they will have to cram more Economy seats into that aircraft to attempt to cover some of the cost of these oversize Business Class seats. I need to see more information on the actual seat width, pitch, etc.

Doesn't your comments then describe something which is "rediculous"?

I think its too much space.....we've seen this before..and looked what happened...

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 37):
SQ has really dealt BA a serious blow from a marketing perspective. After all, perception is everything in marketing...

Time will tell if SQ has come up with the right formula.

BA and SQ compete only in a select few routes, and I doubt one willl see a mass defection from BA to SQ, especially since BA is doing some majour upgrades of its own....

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RE: SIA Says Airbus To Build The 787-9 For Them

Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:52 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 25):
Silly marketing mistake. 99% of the pax out there wont know the difference.

 checkmark  But I know you know they know...  Wink

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 31):

What impresses me is the size of the seats show in the photo. Good lord those look wide and comfortable

Just big enough for the average American.  duck   flamed 

Ok, I have one problem with that seat. Look how far away that drink is from the male passanger. When he reaches for it, his laptop is seriously at risk.  Wink

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 37):
After all, perception is everything in marketing...

So true. Sometimes you have to go for something new just to get attention.

Singapore has got to be missing those A380's... That seems to be the plane those seats were designed for.

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