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UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:47 am

New service to Denver and Washington Hubs....

IAD needs Mobile service back!

Press Release Source: United Airlines


United Airlines Offers Customers New Service to Sweet Home Alabama
Wednesday November 8, 11:36 am ET
Customers will have daily nonstop service to Huntsville, Ala., via United Express from United's hubs in Washington Dulles and Denver


CHICAGO, Nov. 8 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Airlines today announced new nonstop service to Huntsville, Ala., daily from Denver beginning Feb. 14, and twice daily from Washington Dulles beginning April 9. On the Denver flights, customers will have the benefit of explus(SM) -- the United Express® regional jet service that offers the most premium seats of any regional jet carrier, including the amenities of first class and the extra legroom of Economy Plus®.
"We're excited to add Huntsville to our global network and look forward to serving customers traveling to and from this key U.S. southeastern city," said Kevin Knight, United's vice president of Resource Planning. "The new service will connect customers to hundreds of destinations around the world, including our newest capital-to-capital service between Washington, D.C., and Tokyo Narita."

The proposed flight schedule between Huntsville, Ala., and Denver will begin Feb. 14, 2007, and be operated by United Express partner SkyWest:


Route: Depart: Arrive:
Denver to Huntsville 10:30 a.m. 1:46 p.m.
Huntsville to Denver 2:20 p.m. 4:11 p.m.


The proposed flight schedule between Huntsville, Ala., and Washington Dulles will begin April 9, 2007, and be operated by United Express partner Mesa:


Route: Depart: Arrive:
Dulles to Huntsville 12:15 p.m. 1:10 p.m.
Dulles to Huntsville 5:00 p.m. 5:55 p.m.
Huntsville to Dulles* 8:45 a.m. 11:25 a.m.
Huntsville to Dulles 1:38 p.m. 4:18 p.m.

*Will begin on April 10, 2007

All routes and frequencies are subject to change.
A sample fare between Huntsville, Ala., and Denver on United Express is $149** each way, based on required roundtrip purchase by Dec. 6, 2006. A sample fare between Huntsville, Ala., and Dulles on United Express is $124** each way, based on required roundtrip purchase by Dec. 6, 2006. Visit united.com for more details.

Huntsville, Ala., has been chosen by Inc. Magazine for the past two years as one of the cities with the most high-growth businesses per capita in the United States. It is home to the U.S. Army's Redstone Arsenal, Cummings Research Park and NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, in addition to many Fortune 500 companies.

United's global network connects its customers to major cities around the world. United, Ted(SM) and United Express® will provide an average of 321 daily departures from Washington Dulles by November 2006 and convenient connections to more than 90 destinations.

Customers will earn 1,000 bonus miles each time they purchase qualifying travel at united.com, which also offers no booking fees and the guaranteed lowest United fares. Customers can also earn 500 bonus miles each time they check in for a flight using EasyCheck-in Online at united.com by Jan. 31, 2007. Both of these bonus mile offers enable customers to earn an additional 2,000 miles per flight. Terms and conditions of the offers are available at united.com.
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:49 am

Good for United...I don't think they will make money...but its a possibility.
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:07 am

United isn't expanding to Huntsville. United Express is. United can't expand because it can't/won't buy new planes for a couple of years. So, have the lower paid regionals pick up the slack. Not a bad strategy.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:12 am

Are we going to see any more new domestic markets introduced in 2007? Would be nice to see them back here in TOL....but I'm sure they prefer DTW.
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Thread starter):
IAD needs Mobile service back!

I agree, PNS too, from Chicago though. Make it easier to visit Mom.

US serves PNS, so that may be the reason? It does seem strange to me not to be able to book ORD-PNS through united.com.

MOB is a good one though. Without having to connect in ATL, IAH or DFW to come to CHI.

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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:44 am

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Thread starter):
IAD needs Mobile service back!

 yes  When I read the headline on Yahoo news I was hoping for MOB service.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 4):
I agree, PNS too, from Chicago though. Make it easier to visit Mom.

It would be nice if UA brought back service to MOB or PNS. I doubt this will happen, though. DL has cut back service to MOB so badly that there is plenty of room for another carrier, but I'm sure that if anyone started up service, DL could easily send in a couple of MDs or 738s and flood the market. The prices out of MOB are making CO, US, NW, and AA happy, so there is no reason to increase their service. I feel the status quo is going to stay for a while.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:48 am

I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that is thanks to a Small Community Air Service Development Grant.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:08 am

It'll be nice to see UA (although Express) back at HSV.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:20 am

I wish UA would do E170 or CR7 service to ROC-DEN. Eagle does ROC-DFW.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:33 am

If its any consaltation

UA has upgraded express eqipment on ROC-ORD and ROC-IAD

ROC-IAD: from 5 crj/erj to 2 erj70 & 3 crj/erj

ROC-ORD: now has crj7 service
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 2):
So, have the lower paid regionals pick up the slack. Not a bad strategy.

Wrong. That strategy is one of the main reasons the legacy carriers got themselves into such a hole. Remember, just because the regional carriers pay like crap doesn't mean their costs are any lower than legacies. The CASM on RJs is sky high and the legacies must subsidize profit levels for their regional carriers. It ends up costing United more to use regional service.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
It ends up costing United more to use regional service.

Uh-huh. Yeah, United should abandon its Express operations. Do us all a favor and stick with topics you know something about.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that is thanks to a Small Community Air Service Development Grant.

To DEN? Washington already has 3 or 4 HSV flights (US Airways) last time I was aware. HSV enjoys some govt traffic but UA must be hoping for Northeast / Europe connections?
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:54 am

Does it seem odd to anyone else that ORD is not included? Is it because it is now a slot-controlled airport?!?
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:02 am

Now all UA has to do is announce SAV-DEN, and I will be happy! LOL! When will SAV get something to DEN?
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:29 am

I fly into HSV from Denver frequently for business. This is great news! No more ATL connections! Or flying into BNA and driving for 2 hours!

The HSV-IAD is going to be a killer money maker just for the Intergraph business alone.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:51 am

Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 12):
Does it seem odd to anyone else that ORD is not included? Is it because it is now a slot-controlled airport?!?

I was thinking the same thing...is this the only airport to be served by UA that has service to DEN and IAD without having ORD service?
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 11):
Uh-huh. Yeah, United should abandon its Express operations. Do us all a favor and stick with topics you know something about.

Do us all a favor and don't patronize me. I never said United should abandon Express. If United abandoned Express, I couldn't fly into OXR as I tend to prefer. I was talking about the overreliance on regional carriers since the introduction of them disaster that is the regional jet.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:08 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 11):
Washington already has 3 or 4 HSV flights (US Airways) last time I was aware.

4x daily (3x CRJ + 1x E70) HSV-DCA flights on US and also 2x daily (both CRJ) HSV-DCA flights on DL.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:31 am

Congrats to HSV! Is this the first time United has had a presence in HSV?

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 4):

Try AA.com, American Eagle has a Daily ORD-PNS-ORD flight.  Smile
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:53 am

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 18):
Congrats to HSV! Is this the first time United has had a presence in HSV?

Nope. In fact, BHMBAGLOCK mentioned to me this weekend that he flew on an old mainline ORD-HSV-BHM flight
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 18):
Is this the first time United has had a presence in HSV?

About 45 years ago UAL inherited Huntsville routes to DCA/PHL/NYC, CLE, and BUF in the north and MSY in the south via intermediate points from the UAL-Capital merger. They offered decent service using mainly Viscounts in the early 60's.
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 18):
Is this the first time United has had a presence in HSV?

Looking thru some old UA timetables , HSV has had:

Sept 6,1978-
1 nonstop GSO (Greensboro)
2 nonstop TYS (Knoxville)
2 nonstop LAX
1 nonstop DCA xSa

April 26,1981-
2 nonstop BHM
1 nonstop DEN
1 nonstop TYS
1 nonstop DCA xSa

October 1,1984-
2 nonstop BHM
1 nonstop DEN
2 nonstop TYS

Feb 9- April 2,1994-
3 nonstop Express/Atlantic Coast to IAD
1 daily, 1 xSa, 1 xSaSu

Next timetable I looked at was April 1995, and HSV was gone.

It to me would look like HSV is a fairly high fare airport, seeing as there is no LCC of any type there. Is this somewhat true? Looks like AirTran or someone might do OK.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
I was talking about the overreliance on regional carriers since the introduction of them disaster that is the regional jet.

Let me get this straight: you think it's a disaster if a regional aircraft comes in and loses a lot less money than a mainline aircraft that can only pull the same number of passengers?
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 21):
t to me would look like HSV is a fairly high fare airport, seeing as there is no LCC of any type there. Is this somewhat true? Looks like AirTran or someone might do OK.

I could see an LCC doing well there. HSV was served by iAir up until shutdown, so it must have been doing well enough to not get the ax when they went through the first round of cuts.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 1):
Good for United...I don't think they will make money...but its a possibility.

Lots of business and government traffic to HSV. NASA, Redstone Arsenal, all US Army rotorcraft program management, US Army Missile Command, lots of electronics fabrication and design, Delta rocket factory, Toyota factory, etc. Looks like a pretty smart move to me, Dulles in particular.

Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 18):
Congrats to HSV! Is this the first time United has had a presence in HSV?

No, they used to run a 737 ORD-HSV-BHM-ORD once or twice a day.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:04 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 22):
Let me get this straight: you think it's a disaster if a regional aircraft comes in and loses a lot less money than a mainline aircraft that can only pull the same number of passengers?

No, I think it is a disaster to lose money in the first place. Turboprop flights are absolutely something the regionals should do, but if a city can't support 80 seats per flight, then something is wrong and frequency should be cut.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
No, I think it is a disaster to lose money in the first place. Turboprop flights are absolutely something the regionals should do, but if a city can't support 80 seats per flight, then something is wrong and frequency should be cut.

Perhaps UA should look into the Q400 then. It'll do DEN-HSV in 5 hours and 1 fuel stop.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 24):
Toyota factory, etc. Looks like a pretty smart move to me, Dulles in particular.

Yup. It's a great way to fill some seats on IAD-NRT.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 27):
Yup. It's a great way to fill some seats on IAD-NRT.

Sanmina/SCI and some of the other electronics manufacturers will also eat that up. There are also many European companies and organizations with a presence in HSV, i.e. BAE, Kommerling, CASA/EADS, ESA, etc.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 26):
Perhaps UA should look into the Q400 then. It'll do DEN-HSV in 5 hours and 1 fuel stop.

No, what they should do is use 90-100 seat jets flown by mainline. The problem is, they can't afford the new capacity, which is why they are stuck with the regionals in the first place.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
No, what they should do is use 90-100 seat jets flown by mainline. The problem is, they can't afford the new capacity, which is why they are stuck with the regionals in the first place.

The only new aircraft in that range now is the CRJ-900 and and E-190/95. If the mainline carriers used these aircraft with their crews, they lose the advantage of what a regional carrier is able to provide—a lower cost workforce.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 12):
Does it seem odd to anyone else that ORD is not included? Is it because it is now a slot-controlled airport?!?

Probably due to the fact there is not much demand to ORD and AE already has two flights a day there.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that is thanks to a Small Community Air Service Development Grant.

Most likely not due to the amount of service already in place. According to the airport website there are the following flights:

American/AE Dallas/Ft. Worth 6
American Eagle Chicago 2
ASA (Delta Connection) Washington, DC 2
Comair (Delta Connection) Cincinnati 4
Comair (Delta Connection) Orlando 2
Delta Air Lines Atlanta 8
Continental Express Houston 4
Northwest Airlink Memphis 3
Northwest Airlink Detroit 2
US Airways Express Charlotte 5
US Airways Express Washington, DC 4

http://www.hsvairport.org/hia/airlineinfo.html
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 30):
The only new aircraft in that range now is the CRJ-900 and and E-190/95. If the mainline carriers used these aircraft with their crews, they lose the advantage of what a regional carrier is able to provide?a lower cost workforce.

Incorrect. Mainline carriers flew that sized aircraft for years with success. Air Canada operates aircraft in the 75 seat market as mainline and has been doing great with it. It is not like Regional carriers just say "here are our costs, cover them". They pad their costs with a healthy profit margin, and you have to consider that they have an entire management structure in place to run that. Economies of scale end up favoring the larger carrier, even if work costs are higher.
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Incorrect. Mainline carriers flew that sized aircraft for years with success. Air Canada operates aircraft in the 75 seat market as mainline and has been doing great with it. It is not like Regional carriers just say "here are our costs, cover them". They pad their costs with a healthy profit margin, and you have to consider that they have an entire management structure in place to run that. Economies of scale end up favoring the larger carrier, even if work costs are higher.

Goldenshield's response still stands here. Regardless of whether they "flew" (key thing being past tense) these size aircraft or not, the payscales to CREW are entirely different...significantly. A prime example is indeed SkyWest (non-unionized), and same pay scale for all the CRJ-200, CRJ-700, and CRJ-900 pilots. In other words, a captain in a CRJ-200 with the same amount of years as a captain in a CRJ-900 is getting the SAME pay. I should also note here that not all regionals are like SkyWest in terms of pay...there are a few that are unionized, but the payscales are still significantly less than those of mainline companies like UA.
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:02 pm

United began service to HSV on July 1, 1961 when United absorbed Capital Airlines. United had nonstop service between DCA and HSV for year prior to deregulation.
 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:40 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 18):
Congrats to HSV! Is this the first time United has had a presence in HSV?

Nope. In fact, BHMBAGLOCK mentioned to me this weekend that he flew on an old mainline ORD-HSV-BHM flight

Yup, been there done that. UA used a 732 on that run. In fact, done it several times. Got stranded in HSV once as they couldn't get the engine fired on that old 732. Wound up having to go UAEx to IAD and then on to Seattle. Misconnected on the ANC flight, and they put my on CO.  biggrin 
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RE: UA Continues Expansion With Huntsville, AL

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:12 am

would be nice to see UA expand more in the SE to places like MOB, PNS, MGM, TLH, etc. I realize that they probably use the US codeshare to places like that but in reality when I check the UA website for flights from CID-PNS fro example it says no flights available. You can book on US but the flights are limited and rather expensive.