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Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:00 am

Which airlines would you say have very "random" fleets? I nominate Air Madrid.

http://www.air-madrid.com/info_flota.do

Their long haul fleet is certainly a bit "random"!
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:08 am

If by "random" you really mean "varied", that's nothing. JAL had by far the most varied fleet of any major carrier up until a year or so ago. At one point, JAL was flying the following types simultaneously:

747-100
747SR
747-400
747-400D
767-200
767-300
777-200
777-300
777-300ER
737-400
DC-10
MD-11
MD-81
MD-87
MD-90
A300-B2/B4
A300-600R

Include subsidiaries flying under JAL colors and you can add the following to that list:

747-200 (cargo)
747-300
CRJ-200
DHC-8402
Saab 340B

That said, no fleet is "random". All types made sense at the time to whoever was purchasing them. JAL's fleet was a mixture of JAL and JAS post-merger - JAL didn't buy those Airbuses or most of the MD-80's. Also, the year or two that all of these types were flying simultaneously was a transition year between new and old - the 747 classics are almost all gone from the passenger roster at this point. Not sure about the A300's; I believe they were slated for retirement, though.
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:04 am

In the late 1980's, many airlines in the U.S. had "varied" fleets. UA, for example, flew the DC-10-10 & DC-10-30, DC-8-70's, 727-100's and 727-200's, 737-200's, 737-300's, & 737-500's, 747-100's, 747-200's, & 747-400's, 757-200's, 767-200's, (I think the 767-300's were much later!!). In fact, right after the Pan Am Pacific Routes acquisition, United even operated the 747SP and the Lockheed L-1011!!
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:25 am

Northwest comes to mind..

CRJs
E175s (soon)
CR9 (soon)
DC9s
A319/320
B757
A330
B787 (soon)
B747
and up till recently, the DC-10

all over the map, both new and old.
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:14 am

Of course you have to put things in perspective and take into account the size of the airline.

A relatively small airline with relatively many aircraft types that comes to my mind is Egypt Air.
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:09 am

Well I guess we should include any smaller airline that flies both the B737 and A320 family. Or a samll airline that flies both the B767 and A330 with just a handful of each.
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:13 am

AN had this problem. Thanks to Sir Peter Ables. This is one of the reasons for its downfall
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:16 am

TAM is going to top that list soon, and it concerns me.

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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:02 pm

What about US?

A319 (same pilot rating as A320 though)
A320
B733
B735 (same pilot rating as B733 though)
A333
B762
B752
E190-soon to be

The list isn't too long but still quite a few.
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:13 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 5):
Well I guess we should include any smaller airline that flies both the B737 and A320 family. Or a samll airline that flies both the B767 and A330 with just a handful of each.

You mean like Asiana! They have A320/321 + B734/735. Also A333 + B763.

Oh, and some 747s and 777s as well.
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:40 pm

MH

From the Fokker F50 to the B737-400

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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:32 am

 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:47 am

Here is what LH has:

B747-400 x 30
A340-600 x 12
A340-300 x 28
A330-300 x 10
A300-600 x 13
A321 x 26
A320 x 36
A319 x 18
B737-300 x 33
B737-500 x 29
Avro RJ85 x 18
CRJ900 x 11
CRJ700 x 20
CRJ100/200 x 30
MD 11F x 19

While many of these are same pilot rating they do have a nice array of planes!
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:57 am

I would vote for Thai and its widebodies. When I was in BKK last year, I was amazed:

Wide
A300-600
A330-300
A340-500
A340-600
MD-11 (Are these still in the fleet?)
747-300
747-400
777-200
777-300

Narrow - Probably one of the simpliest nb fleets
737-400

A380 on order
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:01 am

My own home airline, Air Namibia!

Airbus A340-300's
Boeing 737-200's
Raytheon 1900's, both C and D versions

Sure, not many planes, but they're all over the board!
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:05 am

It seems like a lot of the fleets are varied because the airline is slowing phasing out one aircraft type for another one, e.g.:

Replacing the 733 and 735 with the A320 family.
Replacing the MD-11 with the 777.
Replacing the 762 with the A330.

What I don't understand is airlines that own relatively new A340 and 777?
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:05 am

I can't believe nobody has mentioned SAS.

do I need to say anymore?
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 16):
I can't believe nobody has mentioned SAS

I would like to nominate SAS.

Airbus 319
Airbus 321
Airbus 330
Airbus 340
Boeing 737
MD-81
MD-82
MD-83
MD-87
MD-90 (even though i think they retired the last ones)
Dash-8 Q400
CRJ

And then of course what their sister companys like Widerøe and Skyways are flying:

Dash-8/Q300
Fokker 50
Saab 340

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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
Northwest comes to mind..



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
and up till recently, the DC-10

They still fly this, as well as the RJ-85 you didn't mention at all, until about the end of the year (DC-10 only does MSP-HNL, and RJ-85 only flies from DTW), plus you didn't differentiate the 747s. NW's current fleet is:

747-400
747-200
A330-300
DC-10-30
A330-200
757-300
757-200
A320
DC-9-50
A319
DC-9-40
DC-9-30
RJ-85
CRJ-200
Saab 340

US and UA are varied quite a bit since they have both Airbus and Boeing - UA in particular is known to order from both manufacturers, while US only orders Airbus nowadays, but the E-190 is going to be mainline so there's also that.

Quoting CPHGuard (Reply 17):
I would like to nominate SAS.

I can't think of any other airline that operates both the A320 series and the 737-NG! Very strange.
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:22 am

Let's not forget the Chinese carriers...e.g. China Southern:

B747-400F
B777-200ER
B777-200
A330-200
A300-600R
B757-200
A321-200
A320-200
A319-100
B737-800
B737-700
B737-300
B737-500
MD-90
MD-82
ATR72-500
ERJ145

Orders:
A380-800
B777-200LRF
B787-8
A330-300


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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 8):
What about US?

A319 (same pilot rating as A320 though)
A320
B733
B735 (same pilot rating as B733 though)
A333
B762
B752
E190-soon to be

The list isn't too long but still quite a few.

How about 5 years ago...

DC9s, MD80s, Fokkers, 727, 732, 733, 734, 757, A319, A320, A321, 767, A330. Of course the Airbuses have replaced the aged DC9/80, 727 aircraft and fokker aircraft, and more will eventually replace the 733s and 4s as soon as that need comes

Aren't they simplifying their regional fleet?

LH also comes to mind, as someone else has already mentioned
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 18):
I can't think of any other airline that operates both the A320 series and the 737-NG! Very strange.

Agreed. They don't operate many A320 series aircraft. I beleive it is less than ten.

I dont have inside knowledge, but i imagine that it is some A330/340 orders that were changed to A320's, when SAS decided to cut down on their longhaul operations.
Actually the 319's were originally 321 orders, but this was changed.

The backbone of the SAS shorthaul fleet is the MD-80 series and the 737NG. I beleive they operate aprox. 50 of each type. MD-80's out of CPH, and 737NG's out of ARN & Oslo.

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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 18):
I can't think of any other airline that operates both the A320 series and the 737-NG! Very strange.

Air Astana
Air Berlin
Air China
ANA
Austrian
Chang An Airlines
China Eastern
China Southern
easyJet
Egypt Air
Hainan Airlines
KTHY
Royal Air Maroc
Shanghai Airlines
Shenzhen Airlines
South African
Tarom
Tunis Air
Turkish Airlines


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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting Vasu (Thread starter):
http://www.air-madrid.com/info_flota.do

Their long haul fleet is certainly a bit "random"!

An A310, some A330s and an A340. Hardly what I'd call random, aside from the fact that most of the aircraft are secondhand and still have their old operators interiors. But these are fairly minor points compared to some of the varied fleets around.

Actually for randomness, in the mid 90s Air France had nearly all versions of the 747 (-100s, -200s, -300s, -400s, full passenger aircraft, combis, freighters and two SUDs)
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:56 pm

Great diversity at AeroMexico's fleet:

Saab340B
EMB145
MD82
MD83
MD87
MD88
737-700
737-800
757-200
767-200
767-300
777-200

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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:16 pm

Ansett had a weird fleet, and as stated before, it was a major reason for their bankrupsy!

A320 x 20
BAE146-200 x 9
BAE146-300 x 11
727-200F x 1
737-300 x 24
747-400 x 2
767-200 x 9
767-300 x 4
CRJ-200ER x 12
DHC-6 x 4
F50 x 9
F27-600 x 1
F28 x 4
Metro 23 x 7
Saab340 x 16
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:30 pm

Can't believe nobody nominated Austrian.
A while ago they had all that:

772
763
343
342
332

321
320
319
738
73G
736
734
733
M80

100
F70
CRJ
DH4
DH3

Now M80's are gone, may be the 737 classics as well.
It still leaves them with 16 types for a 104 a/c fleet.
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:04 pm

Re: Ansett's weird fleet...

Quoting Fuffla (Reply 25):
BAE146-300 x 11

Aren't there a few of these still sitting off Melbourne's airport? I can see them from the road on the drive out.
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:11 pm

Balkan Bulgarian Airlines had only about 20 aircraft at the beginning of the nineties but it was quite a collection:

TU134
TU154
TU154M
Boeing 737-300 x 2
Boeing 737-500 x 3
Boeing 767-200ER x 2 (Now with El-Al)
And to top it all someone decided to order just one A320
 
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:41 pm

What about KLM / KLC?:

Fokker F50
Fokker F70
Fokker F100
Airbus A330-200
Boeing 737-300
Boeing 737-400
Boeing 737-700 (PrivatAir)
Boeing 737-800
Boeing 737-900
Boeing 747-400
Boeing 767-300
Boeing 777-200
McDonnel Douglas MD-11

(Are those 777-300's still on order for delivery in 2007, or was that just a rumour?)
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RE: Airlines With "random" Fleets

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:52 am

Singapore Airlines has a very random fleet if you look at its history, present and foreseeable future...

Concorde
DC-10
B707-300
B727-200
B737-100
B737-300
B747-300
B747-400
B757-200
B777-200
B777-200ER
B777-300
B777-300ER
B787-9
A300B4-200
A310-200
A310-300
A340-300
A340-500
A350-900
A380-800
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