stapleton
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United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:16 am

No press release yet, but United shows in their reservations system daily Bozeman, Montana to Chicago service beginning February 14, 2007. Looks like it will be operated by SkyWest as United Express. The experiment last summer must have been successful. I also see Delta will be using 757s from Bozeman to Atlanta on Saturdays this winter.
 
Bicoastal
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RE: United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:33 am

Your topic line is misleading. United will not be flying the route. United Express will.
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Rookinla
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RE: United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:40 am

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 1):
Your topic line is misleading.

Are you serious? I have seen many topics start "Delta to Start ATL-???" I simply clicked on the post and voila...MTH, SOP, etc... And the post stated that it would be DL Connection...This post states that it is UA Express by Skywest. This IS a UA route, just farmed out to an RJ affiliate...so I'm not sure how this is misleading. Misleading would be "DL to start BZN-ORD" and then open up and find out it is UA...There is a difference.

Quoting Stapleton (Thread starter):
United shows in their reservations system daily Bozeman, Montana to Chicago service beginning February 14, 2007.

See...it's a UA route!
 
roseflyer
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RE: United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:00 pm

It is good to see a small city in Montana keeping year round service. Bozeman is very small, but is close to Yellowstone which is a good attraction, and the area surrounding Bozeman is not the best served in the country. It is a long drive to get anywhere. That area of the country usually has great service to Seattle with AS/QX, but flights to the east are more difficult.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 1):
Your topic line is misleading. United will not be flying the route. United Express will.

I don't know why you keep feeling the need to point out that it is not mainline, but express. When you buy the ticket, you buy it from United. You earn United frequent flyer miles. You check in at United. Yes it is another company, but it is still United.
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Tango-Bravo
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RE: United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting Rookinla (Reply 2):
See...it's a UA route!

In name and flight number only. It is, in fact, a United Express route operated by Sky West. If it really is a United route then please explain why is it that if United staff or travel websites/agencies fail to disclose "operated by Sky West" (or whomever) U.S. DOT could slap a 5-figure fine on United or agencies representing them?

About 12 years ago, the illustrious Robert Crandall, the "Dean" of legacy airline CEOs, remarked that "codeshares are deceptive." His words are no less true today than they were then, which is no doubt the reasoning behind the DOT requirement for disclosure. Unlike some codeshares, the aircraft of United Express are at least, in most if not all cases, painted to look like aircraft of the real United.

What is so unreasonable about requesting the favor of telling us who is actually starting new service when posting such topics?
 
petazulu
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RE: United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:14 pm

Tango-Bravo,

In all reasonableness, take the stick out of your ....
It is a United flight, OK? Of course insiders know that in fact a different operating certificate is in use, but in the end - nobody cares. Sometimes, the two certificates are even wholly owned by the same company! (mainline and express)
 
Rookinla
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RE: United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 4):
What is so unreasonable about requesting the favor of telling us who is actually starting new service when posting such topics?

It's not unreasonable at all. In fact, Stapleton told all of us that it will be operated by Skywest under the United Express banner. And you know as well as I do that the reason Skywest and other regionals fly under "Express" or "Connection", etc is that they are contracted by the larger mainline carrier to do so. It's the only way they can make any money on many of the routes. And believe me...Skywest didn't just one day decide that they would serve BZN-ORD...United decided it for them...and if they want to stay in business very long they will do what UA and DL want them to do...or else end up just like FlyI. I know it's only a technicality but give Stapleton and others a break. They are excited about being able to supply info that we as a forum did not know yet... And some people want to taint their Corn Flakes! It's Stapleton's first post and I would like to thank this user for giving me this piece of info...Welcome to A.net and I hope to see more of your posts!
 
United777atGU
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RE: United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:36 pm

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 4):
Unlike some codeshares, the aircraft of United Express are at least, in most if not all cases, painted to look like aircraft of the real United.

You know what's funny: Trans States has a livery with their name written all over the CRJ; it's not in UA Express colors at all. I wonder why? Anyone knows?

What does United say about these express flights? Do they say that it is their flight, or that it's that of the operator? They'd probably say the operator uses our name...which doesn't help me decide on whose flight it really is...
Maybe this topic (not the info Stapleton supplied--thanks, bud, by the way) is irrelevant, who's flight it is. As long as they get me from A to B safe and sound, I'm ok.
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xpfg
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RE: United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:50 pm

Quoting United777atGU (Reply 7):
What does United say about these express flights? Do they say that it is their flight, or that it's that of the operator? They'd probably say the operator uses our name...which doesn't help me decide on whose flight it really is...
Maybe this topic (not the info Stapleton supplied--thanks, bud, by the way) is irrelevant, who's flight it is. As long as they get me from A to B safe and sound, I'm ok.

United calls them their own, but does state "United Express Operated by..."

Most of the aircraft are tailored in the United liveries, with small text by the doors saying the operators name. While on the flights, it is required by United that the operators specify United Airlines in the Welcome and Thank You speeches by the F/A, and they may optionally mention the operated airline as well...but the UA part must come first...i.e. "Welcome aboard United Express/SkyWest flight...." or "Thanks for choosing United Express, operated by SkyWest."

Hope that sheds SOME light on what ya asked!
 
United777atGU
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RE: United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:37 pm

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 8):
Hope that sheds SOME light on what ya asked!

Yes Sir!
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OOer
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RE: United To Fly BZN - ORD Daily Year Round

Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:55 pm

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 8):
"Welcome aboard United Express/SkyWest flight...."

ACtually on everyone of my 50+ OO flights the F/A always said "skywest, united express" or "skywest, delta connection"...