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3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:39 am

Just a quick heads up for you folks. The 3x TAAG 737s left Boeing Field earlier today and are currently on approach to Gander as I speak (0140z) as DTA731, DTA732 and DTA733. I imagine that this is a fuel stop for them before continuing across the Pond to Angola.

No sign of the 777s yet though...

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RE: 3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:05 am

The 777's are probably flying to Angola nonstop or a stop in Europe.
 
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RE: 3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:11 am

I've just been informed from a reliable source that one of the 737s went tits up and is still at PAE.  confused 

Also been informed that the 777s will ferry to SEA and leave from there tomorrow direct to Luanda as the runway isn't long enough at PAE for them to get off the ground and make it in one hit with a full tank of juice.

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RE: 3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
The 777's are probably flying to Angola nonstop or a stop in Europe.

Is it normal to have so many aircraft delivered simultaneously?
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RE: 3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
Is it normal to have so many aircraft delivered simultaneously?

Well 5 new aircraft in one go is a pretty major event for any small airline so these deliveries are the result of the recent hand over ceremony at PAE for TAAG by Boeing, presumably.

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RE: 3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:56 pm

Since there is a strong possibility of YQX closing down in the near future, I wonder if we will see such delivery flights stop here in YYT or will they stop in YYR?
It would certainly be nice to see some carriers such as TAAG do a layover here. It would be a reason to bring my camera to work again.
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RE: 3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:03 am

All three have come and gone, destination Dakar Senegal...Heads up AC_B777 you got a B747-100 and AN-124 due in in the next 3 hours! Go get the camera!
 
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RE: 3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 2):
Also been informed that the 777s will ferry to SEA and leave from there tomorrow direct to Luanda as the runway isn't long enough at PAE for them to get off the ground and make it in one hit with a full tank of juice

Uhh... i'm not sure who your source is but we have 777-300ER's for Emirates leave and fly non-stop to Dubai. Let alone all sorts of other places around the world. And they are off the ground and have some serious air beneath them before they hit the end of the runway. We have 9000ft and are only a few hundred feet above sea level. I'd be surprised if thats really the reason...
773ER's are 120,000lbs heavier for the same range (within 100nm).

[Edited 2006-11-10 19:14:34]
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RE: 3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:16 am

Nick.

I am breaking my self imposed hiatus to set you right.

Rob's information came from me, which came from the chief pilot of TAAG.

Dubai is 7300 miles nonstop, Luanda is 8700 miles. A 773ER has 30,000 pounds more thrust, plus 20% more range.

The TAAG flights were also loaded with cargo.

On a personal note, you look silly when you come on here and make statements like this, or "SEA doesn't have a 34C."

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RE: 3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
Is it normal to have so many aircraft delivered simultaneously?

No its not. They would normally take 1 at a time as they were ready for delivery. But there has been numerous complications. Training on the aircraft took longer than expected and they have to repaint the aircraft into old paintschemes.
This all resulted in one giant delivery ceremony.
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RE: 3x Taag 737s At Gander YQX Now

Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8):
Rob's information came from me, which came from the chief pilot of TAAG.

I never said he was wrong... i just said i would be surprised. Knowing the source now i'm sure its true.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8):
Dubai is 7300 miles nonstop, Luanda is 8700 miles.

Thats my bad... the circle mapper wasn't set for nm on both readings. I was looking at PAE-LAD in nm(7563nm) and the PAE-DXB in mi(7393mi). Hence you can see my confusion on the range factor.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8):
A 773ER has 30,000 pounds more thrust, plus 20% more range.

Direct from the Boeing website.
777-200ER: 7730nm
http://boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.html
777-300ER: 7880nm
http://boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.html

If we take the 30K more thrust (19% more) and take into consideration the 119,000lbs heavier aircraft (16% heavier) it pretty much negates it. Hence the only slightly longer range (150nm).

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8):
On a personal note, you look silly when you come on here and make statements like this, or "SEA doesn't have a 34C."

Yeah... on that note... It was what? 10 days before i made that comment that they did NOT have a 34C.
I apologize that i didn't check before i made the statement. I was not up on "we are building a new runway that won't open for 18 months so lets rename the existing ones now" regulation (i know why they did it so i don't need an explanation). It was a surprise to me to find out they had renamed it at the time, but for obvious reasons it makes sense. I don't frequent KSEA anymore and havn't for some time... it was an honest mistake.

[Edited 2006-11-10 20:04:18]
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