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US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:15 am

Finally! They have jumped on the bandwagon and got themselves an interactive route map. And it does it by destination! Very chic! The only negative is that you have to move the screen around to see destinations out of frame..

Check it out!
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:18 am

Yes! Thank you US!  praise 
 
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:23 am

Look carefully cause they do have errors..

The ones I have seen so far..

RDU-GSO.. ???
AVL-TYS.. ???
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:24 am

I love it. And it's compatible with my mac which is great! I like BA's route map as well. I wish the other legacies, especially United, would do this. It makes seeing their destinations so much easier...when you know your geography that is...
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:25 am

Quite a few European destinations are missing on that map.
 
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting United777atGU (Reply 3):
...when you know your geography that is...

Right, United, since otherwise, you have to hover your cursor to get city names (other than the hubs.)

Some "geographic liberties" have been taken, e.g., the LA-area airports are a bit scrambled, but everything seems to be there.

Overall, pretty neat and quite an improvement. I hope they keep it current.

I'm curious. Do any computer-philes out there know if these maps are directly generated from schedule data or are they "hand-made" by someone reading a flight schedule? Thanx in advance.

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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:14 am

Very nice map, among the best I have ever seen. Thank you for posting it.
 
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:23 am

They actually think they can get away with labeling Flagstaff as "Grand Canyon"? Now that's a funny joke!
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:28 am

That's a really cool route map. The one improvement I can think of, although I don't know how or if one could do this, would be to make it such that once you click a city and the routes show up, clicking on the route lines brought up a schedule of flights between those cities. Now that would be awesome.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:35 am

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 7):
They actually think they can get away with labeling Flagstaff as "Grand Canyon"? Now that's a funny joke!

It is weird, but obviously caters to the tourist crowd.
 
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
he one improvement I can think of, although I don't know how or if one could do this, would be to make it such that once you click a city and the routes show up, clicking on the route lines brought up a schedule of flights between those cities. Now that would be awesome.

If I'm not mistaken.. it does that.. when you click the origination, click a destination.. and you get to choices.. and I think one will bring up the flying airline with the potential to add flights. From the looks of it, it looks as if they may be adding that feature later.. but I can't be sure.. but it does look like it will be there eventually.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 7):
They actually think they can get away with labeling Flagstaff as "Grand Canyon"? Now that's a funny joke!

Better than putting London in Scotland like some route maps do. Besides, the Grand Canyon is only about an hour north of FLG, and even though Grand Canyon does have an airport that is serviced by at least Scenic Airlines out of VGT, Flagstaff does market itself as the gateway to the Grand Canyon.

As for the route map - I like it overall. First, I love the distinction between where we fly and where you can go with Star Alliance. I wish the magazine would have two different maps to distinguish US destinations and *A destinations. Next, it's a bit too small - I wish you didn't have to go over to the compass thingy and click to see the places in Europe we fly to out of PHL - a larger size and you could just have Europe and PHL on the same screen. Third, the flight schedules didn't really pop up like they were supposed to - you had to double click to be brought to the res menu. Finally, a side note, I'm surprised just how little west coast flying they do out of PIT. I know PIT was being downgraded as a hub and focus is going to CLT and PHL, but damn, I thought there'd be at least an LAX, PDX, or SEA flight mixed in, but just SFO, LAS, and PHX west of the Rockies - what a shame. Now I know why all the PIT a.net members are so bitter about US reducing their presence at the airport.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:12 pm

Pretty good route map I have to say.

If you selct two cities it gives you an option to list flights between the two, but for every city pair I try it doesnt' list anything. Has anyone got that to work?
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:14 pm

Boy, they should have ran that map by a geographer. LAX is not south of SNA and north of SAN.  expressionless 
 
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 11):
Now I know why all the PIT a.net members are so bitter about US reducing their presence at the airport.

I have learned to take it in stride. I just hope they bring back some of that service as PIT's O&D comes back up, and as US becomes more and more profitable, especially out of PIT...

It is a bummer not seeing PIT as one of the hubs on that interactive map. Perhaps if they would label their hubs AND focus cities the way they do their main hubs. Hubs in All CAPS, and focus cities in lower-case, just a thought...
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:22 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 11):
I thought there'd be at least an LAX, PDX, or SEA flight mixed in, but just SFO, LAS, and PHX west of the Rockies -

That can't be right; US has served PIT-LAX for decades.

SEA is coming back, didn't we hear that?

PDX, much less likely
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:26 pm

Pretty nice...I like it. Better than looking at their PDF route map.

I wish more airlines would do this. Good job US!

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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 14):
Hubs in All CAPS, and focus cities in lower-case, just a thought...

You are right. The focus cities at US are in some cases very large. PIT, LGA, DCA, BOS should always be in bold.

Saw their magazine about a year ago and its route maps were pure 100% crap. This interactive one is very stylish. US is a huge airline now, so they need to learn how to present themselves.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:47 pm

Noticing we're missing a few destinations in Europe. Even though they're seasonal, you'd think US would include them only with some indication that they're not flown year-round.

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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:54 pm

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 17):
You are right. The focus cities at US are in some cases very large. PIT, LGA, DCA, BOS should always be in bold.

Thanks for being on the same page with me.  Smile

The way it looks, US makes PIT LGA DCA and BOS to be nothing more than a spoke in the system... PIT or LGA as spokes? With 170-180+ flights daily? I think NOT!!! Likewise with DCA and BOS in that regard.

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Pittsburgh, Washington DC, New York (LGA), Boston (Focus Cities in blue)
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:08 pm

One problem I have with it is that you cannot see connecting flights. It only shows nonstops.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 10):
If I'm not mistaken.. it does that.. when you click the origination, click a destination.. and you get to choices.. and I think one will bring up the flying airline with the potential to add flights. From the looks of it, it looks as if they may be adding that feature later.. but I can't be sure.. but it does look like it will be there eventually.

If it does do that eventually, hopefully the problem I mentioned above will also be fixed and you will be able to view the different flight possibilities to anywhere on US' network.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:23 pm

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 20):
One problem I have with it is that you cannot see connecting flights.

Somewhat like what FL does with their interactive route map. WN has it so you can either look at NS service or connecting service... FL has their set so that it indicates which routes are mainline and expressjet, as does YX (although YX, I don't think, is an interactive map like what US, FL, and WN have.)
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 21):
FL has their set so that it indicates which routes are mainline and expressjet

The people at FL must be rather surprised to see expressjet running some of their flights eh..?

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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 22):
The people at FL must be rather surprised to see expressjet running some of their flights eh..?

Oh, strike that! I meant F9!!!  silly 

Thanks for catching that  embarrassed  silly  smile 
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:11 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 16):
Pretty nice...I like it. Better than looking at their PDF route map

The PDF one was a joke, this one is nice and pretty easy to use.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 19):

CHARLOTTE, PHILADELPHIA, PHOENIX, LAS VEGAS (HUBS IN RED)

Pittsburgh, Washington DC, New York (LGA), Boston (Focus Cities in blue)

That's funny, because United does that with their route map for US Airways in the Hemispheres magazine, but for the hubs only, I think, not the focus cities...

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 11):
As for the route map - I like it overall. First, I love the distinction between where we fly and where you can go with Star Alliance. I wish the magazine would have two different maps to distinguish US destinations and *A destinations.

Totally agree.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 15):
That can't be right; US has served PIT-LAX for decades.

You are correct, it is not right!


As of Nov. 9, 2006 PIT-Westward is as follows:


PIT-DEN (1 daily A320)

PIT-LAS (2 B757s)

PIT-LAX (1 A319 and 1 A320)

PIT-PHX (1 A319 and 1 A320) (Both are US metal)

PIT-SFO (1 A319)




I also agree with some of the above statements about the focus cities. Pittsburgh, Laguardia, Washington National, and Boston should all have some kind of marking!
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:26 pm

It's such a basic route map !!! I don't like the concept at all. Very uneasy to see the whole network without using the arrows again and again.

For a very efficient interactive route map, go and check the one from JAL

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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:38 pm

Whats with all those routes out of MCI

since when does US have them
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 28):
Whats with all those routes out of MCI

since when does US have them

They are Air Midwest flights flown by Mesa using B1900s.. It's a sort of Mini-hub of sorts for Air Midwest..
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:31 pm

I like it, its very nice!!!
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 29):
They are Air Midwest flights flown by Mesa using B1900s.. It's a sort of Mini-hub of sorts for Air Midwest..

correct, those have been run for years dating back to when US had a hub at MCI in the early 90's.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 19):
The way it looks, US makes PIT LGA DCA and BOS to be nothing more than a spoke in the system... PIT or LGA as spokes? With 170-180+ flights daily? I think NOT!!! Likewise with DCA and BOS in that regard.

totally agree, those cities need to stand out as well. Remember when US bought Piedmont back in 89? They had DAY and IND hubs on the route map at that time and those were much smaller than todays PIT, DCA or BOS. They really need to show those on the map as focus cities or secondary hubs as US likes to call them.
 
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:16 am

This interactive route map kind of sucks. I preferred the old America West interactive route map. It showed connections In general, it was way much better.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:23 am

Nice look and easy to use and understand.

I am just shocked to see the SMALL network of US. It has very few flights to Europe, NONE on the Asian or African continents, relaitvely few to Central America and NONE to South America. This is shocking- I thought they would at least have had a few flights to South America- It's suprising they are considered a legacy carrier in the US with such limited Int'l flights!!

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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 33):
I am just shocked to see the SMALL network of US. It has very few flights to Europe, NONE on the Asian or African continents, relaitvely few to Central America and NONE to South America. This is shocking- I thought they would at least have had a few flights to South America- It's suprising they are considered a legacy carrier in the US with such limited Int'l flights!!

Aruba is pretty close to South America  Smile

Sorry, what is small about the US network? Its 4 cities in Hawaii? Its 220+ stations overall? In the worldwide ranks for network size, US is probably in the top 5 worldwide.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 31):

Thanks. Even when you would go onto their website, they marketed Pittsburgh, New York, Boston, and DC. They mentioned all the great things to do in those cities, restaurants, hotels, tourism, etc (yeah, tourism... New York is not an exciting tourism market? If that is true, then I would like to declare the United States the biggest hillbilly country in the world!)

The way they marketed, IIRC, they showed a list of the cities where they have a fairly large operation, and showed a pitcture of their respective skyline. Beneath each picture, it said, "find out about ..."

So yes, for that, give those cities the more recognition in the network that they deserve!

As for the route map not showing connections, it would be nice if they did something like FL has with theirs...
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 34):
Sorry, what is small about the US network? Its 4 cities in Hawaii? Its 220+ stations overall? In the worldwide ranks for network size, US is probably in the top 5 worldwide.

I'm not criticizing it because it seems to be sufficient for US, but in terms of International flights, US seems to be way behind the like of DL, CO, AA and UA. I don't doubt it's a big airline, for me it was just shocking to see their lack of presence in South America especially.

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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 4:57 am

For those of you criticizing the small size, there's a link there for a larger version that leads to:

http://www.innovata-llc.com/us/map/index.asp?lang=EN
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:08 am

Jmc1975 - there was a post discussing that exact topic on here I think about a month ago, maybe two months now. City officials in FLG wanted that so that they would pull more international tourists straight into FLG airport instead of PHX and having them rent a car and driving northward. This again is one of those topics that will always be fought. The difference between city area and catchment area. RNO is called Reno/Tahoe International Airport with Tahoe being an hour drive give/take. Fresno is called Fresno/Yosemite International Airport, so, why now, Flagstaff/Grand Canyon Airport. All in all, just an advertising ploy to increase pax demand for the small commuter airport.
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 36):
I don't doubt it's a big airline, for me it was just shocking to see their lack of presence in South America especially.

That is fair. US probably wishes they started CLT-GIG and CLT-GRU winter service years ago. Especially now.

As for other locales, Latin America is mostly covered by AA and CO - places like BOG and LIM. It seems unlikely US will go there, ever.
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 38):
All in all, just an advertising ploy to increase pax demand for the small commuter airport.

It would be nice if they were to rename MDT as Harrisburg-Lancaster/Hershey in that regard  Wink

As I work at the Eden Resort Inn and Suites just off US30 in Lancaster, and I see a lot of people fly into PHL as opposed to LNS or even MDT. They wind up driving an additional 2+ hours to their final destination, when they could only drive 25 minutes from MDT... Hershey/Chocolate World is only about 20 min from MDT as well...
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:45 am

Steeler83 - interesting point that you make. My relatives live all throughout the Philly area, and some are out towards route 30 in West Chester and we visit Lancaster quite a bit while I am there. I looked a couple of times into flying right into Lancaster but the fares were always the kicker. I would try a night flight from the west coast to get into Lancaster early to mid morning, spend the day out in the country and then home for my visit, and then same on the return, spend the day and take later flight back out, but it always priced a couple hundred more than PHL
 
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting Flyboy7974 (Reply 41):
Steeler83 - interesting point that you make.

Thanks, and I also agree with why you avoid LNS and even MDT; it's actually what I was trying to hint towards... The fares are re-fricking-diculous! Even MDT-PIT and PHL-PIT... The latter is 118 bucks AFTER taxes/fees RT. MDT-PIT, fuh-geddabout it. It's more like 118, one way, before taxes/fees. I actually looked that up. That's why I see a lot of people who stay at the hotel, I see their bags checked as PHL or BWI mostly. A few times, I would even see EWR. I guess people fly into EWR and take the Keystone via Amtrak into Lancaster. They they take a short cab ride a few blocks up to my hotel.

In fact, just the other day I noticed the bags on someone's suitcase in one of my rooms. It had a PHL tag on it, but it wasn't from US, but from FL. They flew in from ATL. Imagine if they [FL] agreed to MDT service. They [the guests] would only have to drive 25 minutes as opposed to 125. They would've paid roughly the same fare, but even saved quite a bit on gas and car rental I am sure.

MDT just received 1.2mil in grant money for the airport. If the authority is wise, they'll put it towards the debt for the new terminal, thus lowering the landing fees/leases/other maintenance costs some, and probably enticing a LCC or two to agree to MDT service. They could then send MDT demand through the roof and keep the local MDT flying out of MDT, as opposed to sending them to PHL or BWI for lower fares on WN or US, or both...
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:25 am

They have LAX where CLD-Carlsbad should be. I do not see CLD anywhere on the map.  Wow!

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 40):
They wind up driving an additional 2+ hours to their final destination, when they could only drive 25 minutes from MDT... Hershey/Chocolate World is only about 20 min from MDT as well...

They should call it Chocolate World International. I like the ring of that.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:29 am

When did US/HP start serving CDC and ELY? What happened to FCA and BIL? Montana, Wyoming, and The Dakotas are awfully empty.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:42 am

Perhaps I'm spoiled because I'm used to looking at it, but am I the only one who thinks the WN routemap is far superior to this one? (or any other routemap I've seen for that matter) This one still seems so "1990's".
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:53 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 39):
That is fair. US probably wishes they started CLT-GIG and CLT-GRU winter service years ago. Especially now.

In response to an analyst question 2 weeks ago, Parker stated that IF US were to start service to South America, it would NOT be from CLT because CLT could never support the required O&D to make the route profitable. Last year Parker stated that he was not interested in South America at all - a reply he did not use recently. So future SA routes would more than likely originate at PHL or some city in the deep south (MIA, ATL, etc.), which is currently not a hub. The problem with a non-hub would of course be connectivity with US flights from other cities. If US were to go into South America with a 332 or equivalent aircraft, it would more than likely be from PHL. Actually, if available from TA, a 767 (enhanced MTOW) or a 333 would possibly even make GRU from PHL.
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 46):
it would NOT be from CLT because CLT could never support the required O&D to make the route profitable.

Which is something I can understand, but on the flip side.. CLT has more flights and therefore more passengers it can transfer.. CLT is a lot easier to navigate than PHL.. CLT is less delay prone that PHL.. and CLT is a lot closer than PHL..

Parker is doing some good things.. but I think that the reliablity on PHL is too high. He has a gem in CLT.. an airport that can handle all the flights US can add without sacrificing on time reliability or passenger discomfort.. Crazy if you ask me. If you ask me, Parker should be molding CLT into a megahub (a la ATL)... most of the cards at CLT are in US hands.. the only hub he has that he has virtually the monopoly on..

But that is just my opinion...
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 47):
Parker is doing some good things.. but I think that the reliablity on PHL is too high. He has a gem in CLT.. an airport that can handle all the flights US can add without sacrificing on time reliability or passenger discomfort.. Crazy if you ask me. If you ask me, Parker should be molding CLT into a megahub (a la ATL)... most of the cards at CLT are in US hands.. the only hub he has that he has virtually the monopoly on..

But that is just my opinion...

And I actually agree with it. However, the reason why he relies so much on PHL for international expansion is:

1. O&D goldmine there, and a  dollarsign  dollarsign goldmine at that!
2. He has declared PHL to be THE international gateway/hub for US, while CLT is the big domestic hub with some int'l flights (LGW and FRA in particular, with some Caribbean and Mexico)

Didn't US used to have a focus city of some sort in FLL a little while back? Would it work to fly into FLL with a Brazil-connection or two out of there?
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RE: US New Interactive Route Map

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 47):
Parker is doing some good things.. but I think that the reliablity on PHL is too high. He has a gem in CLT.. an airport that can handle all the flights US can add without sacrificing on time reliability or passenger discomfort.. Crazy if you ask me. If you ask me, Parker should be molding CLT into a megahub (a la ATL)... most of the cards at CLT are in US hands.. the only hub he has that he has virtually the monopoly on..

But that is just my opinion...

Your suggestion to make CLT=ATL appears to be based on an emotional, rather than an economic platform. The Domestic O&Ds of CLT, PIT and PHL are now approximately 6.7M, 7.1M and 18M respectively. Further, PHL International O&D is more than 1/3 of CLT Domestic O&D. If you were running an airline, which city would you count on to provide the bulk of your revenue and profit? I mean if Parker wanted to exclude O&D as a factor in establishing Hubs, PIT should be grown instead of CLT as it is a more "efficent" connectivity airport than either PHL or CLT. Further, why would CLT want to increase it's already 69% (including commuter services) US share of all traffic to even more, thereby increasing the chances of less competition and even higher air fares than now exist? Even more of a concern should be the risk of US disappearing completely due to a merger. Additionally, what history or physical evidence does CLT provide that it could handle another even 3 million passengers/year (roughly 1/4 of the US's PHL passenger traffic) without evolving into a bigger problem than US has at PHL? I do, however, agree the geographic location at CLT is better than PHL from an ATC and weather standpoint. A point to poder; did you hear Parker threaten to move ANY PHL international flights to CLT unless Philadelphia gives him more gates? Instead his threat is, we just won't fly to ATH, ZRH and BRU next year.

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