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767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:38 pm

Wondering if anyone had any info on the 767 that had an incident in DTW last night around 2340 local time. Apparently it was the DL 767 that brought the 49ers in to play the Lions. Recovery crew was sent up from ATL last night about 2am with brakes and tires. Did a search and couldn't find anything. A/c was 1403.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:47 pm

The aircraft is apparently still in DTW.
It was supposed to ferry to LGA after dropping the Niners last night.


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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:16 pm

wow this got to be so funny. Again DL seems to like to run off the runway.
Previous post mention quote ( On Sunday night, a Delta MD-88 ran off the taxiway at JAN and was stuck in the mud. The 92 passengers were transported by bus to the terminal. This is the second time a Delta aircraft ran off the taxiway at JAN this year. ) Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN (by COAfan Nov 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)

If DL keeps doing this thats their new reputation : We like to land on grass and or mud and it shows.
 
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:53 am

I read the title, And immediately thought it was BA202 for LHR Boeing 767, Because this flight left late, and after reading the name of this post i thought it all added up, But when you say Delta lol... Wonder why BA flight was delayed my next guess would be because of the weather around DTW last night, That's interesting to know i thought only BA operated a 767 at Detroit.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:45 am

When I saw the title I wondered if it was a DL jet. I told myself DL doesn't fly 767's to DTW and must be someone else. But I was proved wrong, only DL drives through the dirt.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:47 am

I heard DTW go into a short Ground Stop last night around 17:50 due to a "disabled aircraft." I would figure this was it, but the times are off.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 2):
Previous post mention quote ( On Sunday night, a Delta MD-88 ran off the taxiway at JAN and was stuck in the mud. The 92 passengers were transported by bus to the terminal. This is the second time a Delta aircraft ran off the taxiway at JAN this year. ) Delta Runs Off Taxiway @ JAN (by COAfan Nov 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)

It's a southern past-time, mud riding. They should replace the tires with some Mickey Thompsons and forget the paved taxi ways.



Quoting Tu154m (Thread starter):
Recovery crew was sent up from ATL last night about 2am with brakes and tires.

Seems like they would be sent from CVG? Just closer. Guess there were more spares in ATL.

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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:21 pm

i'd be kind of interested to see exactly how they get a 767 out of the mud.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting SpeedBird203 (Reply 3):
That's interesting to know i thought only BA operated a 767 at Detroit.

This was a chartered aircraft, not a regularly scheduled flight.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:33 pm

The 767 certainly is a rare bird at DTW. Our photo database only has 8 pics of it there: 1 BA, 6 DL and 1 UA.

The UA pic is from 1983, showing the first UA 767 flight operating from DTW. I wonder where that flight was going.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 7):
i'd be kind of interested to see exactly how they get a 767 out of the mud

Unload everything and pull it out with a tug. This assuming they just dropped one set of gear off the taxi-way during a turn.

If the whole thing is off in the mud, might be like bogging down a combine in the corn field, wait for dry weather.

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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 7):
i'd be kind of interested to see exactly how they get a 767 out of the mud.

I spent all night watching and photographing a 727-200 recovery about 30 years ago. It had been raining all day, and the right MLG was a few feet off the pavement and into the mud. They brought a crane in, and put it on the taxiway, on the opposite side of the aircraft, overhanging the fuselage. They removed access panels on the wing, and lifted that wing so the gear was out of the mud, and cleaned it off. They smoothed out the ground and planked over it with rather stout looking wood (not railroad ties, but they looked smaller) leading back to the paved surface. They tried to tow it out, but ended up firing up the 727 and driving it out, Patroni-style....
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:46 pm

Well, if DL loves going off the runway so much why don't they just put all-terrain mud tires on the A/C? I'd love to see a commercial jet with all-terrain tires.

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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:41 pm

Guess it depends on how bad you run it off in the mud:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj8UPEfO1Oo

or

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra..._Untitled_Aviation_Video-3300.html

Cool videos anyway!

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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:02 pm

Did they call Joe Patroni to get it out?
 
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:13 pm

Quoting Coa747 (Reply 14):
Did they call Joe Patroni to get it out?

That's funny! Maybe a herd of mules and some rope.
 
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:26 pm

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 6):
It's a southern past-time, mud riding. They should replace the tires with some Mickey Thompsons and forget the paved taxi ways.

It's called "Muddin". And it just gangs of fun. But they way you made that statement, it seemed to sound like you are picking on us Southern folk.

This kind of thing seems to happen often, as the the bulbs in takiway light burn out more frequently.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:27 pm

Quoting Coa747 (Reply 14):
Did they call Joe Patroni to get it out?

"They don't call them emergencies anymore, they call them 'Patronies'".

[Edited 2006-11-12 06:29:25]
 
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:37 pm

Quoting BlazingCessna (Reply 16):
It's called "Muddin". And it just gangs of fun. But they way you made that statement, it seemed to sound like you are picking on us Southern folk

I grew up in MVC. Anyone north of Montgomery was a Yankee to me. Now, I live in Chicago. A bit of a change. In SW Alabama is was mud riding or better yet, "mud ridin." I had a Chevy and my roomie had a Ford. It made for some good mud competitions.

Hardly anyone Chicago knows what a Mickey Thompson is, you should have known I am not from here.

The picture's great, huh?

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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:28 pm

Has anyone called Petroni yet?
 
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:09 pm

No, but I did put in a call to Jennings Lang. It appaer that he is deceased unfortunatly. Universal refused comment on the issue.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Spoke2Spoke (Reply 9):
The 767 certainly is a rare bird at DTW. Our photo database only has 8 pics of it there: 1 BA, 6 DL and 1 UA.

Actually, I remember Delta at one point did have scheduled 767 service to DTW - at least in November of 2001. I remember taking a DL 767-200 from DTW-ATL (late afternoon/early evening departure).

I remember this flight particularly well because it was the first flight I had taken since 9/11. I wasn't particularly concerned about at the time, but I remember noting that this was the first time I had ever been on a 767 full of people that was COMPLETELY SILENT during boarding (I could hear the conversation the ramp agents were having in the cargo hold...).
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:17 am

Wonder if it got stuck the team on or off the plane, got to be embarassing.


Guess they got it unstuck and just left it there for the return Niners flight.

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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting Spoke2Spoke (Reply 9):
The 767 certainly is a rare bird at DTW. Our photo database only has 8 pics of it there: 1 BA, 6 DL and 1 UA.

The UA pic is from 1983, showing the first UA 767 flight operating from DTW. I wonder where that flight was going.

The flight was going to ORD. United put a huge 767 model in the gate area in honor of the first flight. At that time, there was a Detroit chapter of the World Airline Hobby Club, and we had an an "unofficial" club meeting the day of the 767 inaugural.

For a few months in 1984, TWA flew 767s DTW-STL. AA also occasionally scheduled 767s into DTW in the 1980s.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 7):
i'd be kind of interested to see exactly how they get a 767 out of the mud.

J&M towing of Romulus, Michigan has pulled aircraft out of the mud at DTW in the past. I wonder if they called them again. J&M has the largest tow truck in the state. It is 10 wheel drive with dual front steerable axles. It has something like 63 forward gears. It ca go as fast as 60 mph or as slow as 600 feet per minute. They also have a variety of other huge tow trucks.

A buddy of mine had to hire them two years ago to get his Ford F-350 out of the frozen mud, along with a 22,500 pound bucket loader he tried to unstick it with. They got the truck out with a D-5 dozer, but had to use the big tow truck to remove the loader. They had to remove trees and use the dozer to build a road just to get the tow truck to the loader. The guys at J&M were really cool. We went back to their shop and they showed us photos of stuff they recovered like a locomotive, a helicopter, and a NW A-320.

They are on Inkster road just south of Ecorse if anyone wants to drop by and see the huge tow truck. If they aren't to busy they would probably be more than happy to show it to you.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 21):
Actually, I remember Delta at one point did have scheduled 767 service to DTW - at least in November of 2001. I remember taking a DL 767-200 from DTW-ATL (late afternoon/early evening departure).

I remember this flight particularly well because it was the first flight I had taken since 9/11. I wasn't particularly concerned about at the time, but I remember noting that this was the first time I had ever been on a 767 full of people that was COMPLETELY SILENT during boarding (I could hear the conversation the ramp agents were having in the cargo hold...).

As of June 2002, Delta was still bringing in the 767-200. I flew out at around 8am, and returned around 10 pm, both were 767s. There was also one that came in around 3pm.

Up until 9-11, there was a UAL DTW-ORD flight that used a 767-300, that replaced the DC-10 that regularly flew to DTW.

Before 9-11, Delta was flying in 767-300s to both ATL and CVG. My buddy flew a 767-300 to CVG around 1998.

Back in the early-mid 1980s - AA, DL, UA and TW all flew 767-200s to DTW.

Also, for a while Condor flew 767-300s to DTW.
 
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:06 am

I flew on an AA 767-200 on DFW-DTW in 1990. Now, that route is all MD-80/738. At least AA started bringing the 757 back to DTW recently.

DL flew the 767's into DTW up until about 2003/2004 I believe. It was a big point of discussion about when DL was going to move over to the Worldgateway to B concourse, if they could park a 767 on the B gates as they were originally designed for up to A320/737NG sized aircraft. Hence why DL has gate B20 at the end of the concourse, which is set at an angle to allow them to fit in 757/767 sized aircraft. DL still brings in the 757 on a semi-regular basis. (although not as often as before).
 
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:45 am

I remember AA bringing in the 767-300 for a while also in the early 1990s, perhaps when they replaced the DC-10-10 flights.

I think the TWA 767-200s were very short lived - although I do remember them in the early 80s, they were there alternating with wherever they flew the L1011.

When I was a kid though watching planes at DTW in the 1980s, I was there for an hour period and I saw movements from the TWA, DL, UA and AA 767s.

Oddly enough I saw also a lot of DC-8 movements that day too - UA, DL, UPS (mid afternoon!), Trans America and Icelandair (yes they flew charters to DTW).
 
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 27):
Oddly enough I saw also a lot of DC-8 movements that day too - UA, DL, UPS (mid afternoon!), Trans America and Icelandair (yes they flew charters to DTW).

Icelandair actually flew scheduled flights DTW-LUX. I think the flights began in 1985, and lasted 2 or 3 years. In the 1980's, Icelandair actually had more flights from the USA to Luxembourg than they did to Iceland.

In addition to being one of the first cities UA served with 767s (UA brought 767s into DTW less than a month after the first 767 revenue flight), DTW was one of the last cities UA flew their DC-8s to. I saw a DC-8 flying DTW-ORD in Oct 1991, a day or two before UA parked their last DC-8.
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:02 am

Wow...the Lions will do anything for a win.....did the pilots get out of the aircraft and go cow tippin afterwards?
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RE: 767 Stuck In Mud/off Runway/taxiway In DTW?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting Aeroperu (Reply 29):
Wow...the Lions will do anything for a win.....did the pilots get out of the aircraft and go cow tippin afterwards?

Funny thing is that the Lions still managed to lose, but then again its the same ol Lions anyway.