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A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:09 pm

British Airways has started to retire the ex-British Caledonian A320s, with G-BUSD (msn 011) awaiting part-out at Lasham. It's also the first time for an A320-100 frame to be scrapped.

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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:17 pm

How about G-BUSI? BUSI was one of the ex-Caledonian A320s and the second A320 that I ever flew with (the first was D-AIPC).
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:20 pm

Quoting RedChili (Reply 1):
How about G-BUSI? BUSI was one of the ex-Caledonian A320s and the second A320 that I ever flew with (the first was D-AIPC).

G-BUSI is a -211 model and planned to be retired by BA in 2008.


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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:49 pm

NOOOO this is terrible news...
I have yet to fly BUSB, the oldest in our fleet...
Im actually quite upset at this news. As much as they are old and falling apart, they are classic...
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:50 pm

According to ATDB all remaining four A320-111s and the five A320-211s are planned to leave BA's fleet in 2008. Would be interesting to know whether there's a particular reason for taking out G-BUSD earlier.


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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:53 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
According to ATDB all remaining four A320-111s and the five A320-211s are planned to leave BA's fleet in 2008. Would be interesting to know whether there's a particular reason for taking out G-BUSD earlier.

Yes, BUSB has has more problems than any other 111 in the fleet. Ill try and find out some information on that..

Maybe ill still get to fly on BUSB before she goes then..  Smile
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:54 pm

Maybe Slovacek747 is just in shock since last Tuesday. Let's hope it continues!

As for the 100 srs A320s, considering that at the time BA didn't really want the aircraft, (as they didn't want the DC10s) they certainly put both types to good use, made plenty of money from them and, no doubt like the DC10, many at BA will regret them going.

It would be interesting to know the cycles/hours on the frames as they seem too young to be being dismantled.

I presume there is more value in the spares than the whole airframe.

[Edited 2006-11-12 14:58:59]
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:55 pm

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 8):
Yes, BUSB has has more problems than any other 111 in the fleet. Ill try and find out some information on that..

You mean BUSD, don't you?

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 8):
Maybe ill still get to fly on BUSB before she goes then..

Good luck - it's still some time until 2008!


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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 9):
I presume there is more value in the spares than the whole airframe.

I guess that's the reason.


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Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:58 pm

As daft as it may sound, I wonder whether it has occured to BA to donate one or more of these aircraft for preservation.

I'm sure that the likes of the Manchester Aviation Viewing Park would like to get their hands on such an aircraft, and the A320-100 series is the rare forerunner of the ever successful A320-200. It is similar to the B737-100 in that respect and sadly even Lufthansa did not try and save one of their old -100s.

If anyone reading this is 'in' with a preservation society, why not suggest this before it is too late?!
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:58 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
You mean BUSD, don't you?

BUSB is the oldest and has had more problems, thats why im wondering why BUSB hasn't been scrapped first. Thats what i was trying to say..
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 13):
BUSB is the oldest and has had more problems, thats why im wondering why BUSB hasn't been scrapped first. Thats what i was trying to say..

Ok, thanks for clarification. Can you elaborate a bit on the problems?


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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:02 pm

Can anyone at BA tell me whether there are certain routes which specifically see -100 service? I would like to take a flight on one of these rare birds before it is too late.

Also, are Air France still flying their -100s? If not, what happened to them?
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:05 pm

The term 'reclaimed for spares' is preferred!

These very early production are about the highest time A320's flying, having entered BA service in 1988.
They also lack commilarity with the A319/320/321's in the fleet since 1999, which Slovacek747, we are keeping.

Considering how long they were a cuckoo in the nest fleet wise, how often, in the early days after we got them from BCAL, their sale was considered, they've had a long and successful career with BA.
I would suggest they were never sold then, since they were such a good aircraft, the most modern in fleet for many years too.
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
Ok, thanks for clarification. Can you elaborate a bit on the problems?

Id rather not lol...

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 15):
Can anyone at BA tell me whether there are certain routes which specifically see -100 service? I would like to take a flight on one of these rare birds before it is too late

You will find these doing quite a lot of european work. I flew on one back from Milan the other day, Prague is also popular with the old buses and they also carry a lot of domestic flights.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 15):
Also, are Air France still flying their -100s?

Yes, ive seen a few of them in CDG recently.
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:23 pm

So, what is being said is G-BUSH is out in 2008. But didn't we already know that?  duck 
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:33 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 9):
Maybe Slovacek747 is just in shock since last Tuesday. Let's hope it continues!

Did I miss something?? What happened last Tuesday?! Or is it me being slow again??
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:39 pm

I seem to remember that an A-320 was scrapped last year, in Florida. So, would this be the second A-320 scrapped?
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 19):
Did I miss something?? What happened last Tuesday?! Or is it me being slow again??

If you aren't being sarcastic, go and look at Wednesday's papers.
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 19):
Did I miss something?? What happened last Tuesday?! Or is it me being slow again??

I assume it was a reference to the midterm elections in the US , though not sure what that has to do with this topic
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:51 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 22):
I assume it was a reference to the midterm elections in the US , though not sure what that has to do with this topic

Perhaps you should read the thread
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting Philb (Reply 23):

Oh right, yes sorry. Guess I failed to make the connection between American election results and BA retiring an A320. Silly me!
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 15):
Can anyone at BA tell me whether there are certain routes which specifically see -100 service? I would like to take a flight on one of these rare birds before it is too late.

I have seen them being used on the EDI-LHR route before. I think they are scattered all over aren't they?

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 24):
Oh right, yes sorry. Guess I failed to make the connection between American election results and BA retiring an A320. Silly me!

Well, if you wish to be obtuse and ignore replies 3,4 and 5 that's up to you.
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting Philb (Reply 26):

Im sorry if I was a bit slow on the uptake. But I do understand now. Thank you for clearing it up for me. Apologies if I upset you in some way.
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:11 am

Ok, no problem

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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
I seem to remember that an A-320 was scrapped last year, in Florida. So, would this be the second A-320 scrapped?

You're correct: Why Will This A-320 (5B-DAT) Be Scrapped? (by Jorge1812 Apr 12 2005 in Civil Aviation)

And more: RE: A320's Now Being Scrapped! (by CYatUK Jun 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)?searchid=2827260&s=A320+scrapped#ID2827260
RE: 4 Northwest A320s Being Scrapped At Greenwood, MS! (by RayChuang Jul 25 2006 in Civil Aviation)?searchid=2899736&s=A320+scrapped#ID2899736

[Edited 2006-11-12 16:17:09]
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:32 am

When a plane like this is "scrapped", is there much that can be salvaged for use as spares for siblings that are still in service? Sorry if this aspect has already been addressed.
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
I seem to remember that an A-320 was scrapped last year, in Florida. So, would this be the second A-320 scrapped?

That was an A320-200 - G-BUSD is an A320-100, a much rarer species, only currently operated by British Airways and Air France.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 15):
Can anyone at BA tell me whether there are certain routes which specifically see -100 service? I would like to take a flight on one of these rare birds before it is too late.

The following flights will pretty much guarentee you get onto a G-BUS*, but won't guarentee you a -100:

BA1304 Aberdeen (weekdays)
BA1306 Aberdeen (weekends)
BA1308 Aberdeen (weekdays)
BA1312 Aberdeen (Sundays)
BA1314 Aberdeen (Not Saturdays)
BA1336 Newcastle (Saturdays)
BA1338 Newcastle (Saturdays)
BA1434 Edinburgh (Not Sundays)
BA1454 Edinburgh (weekdays)
BA1472 Glasgow (weekdays)

Of course, they do appear on many more - I only checked domestics, and the list above only consists of flights that are scheduled as CFM versions on a regular basis. Of course, if you're going to book a flight, ensure that BA.com is advertising it as an A320 on their timetable before you do so.

[Edited 2006-11-12 16:41:03]
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 15):
Also, are Air France still flying their -100s? If not, what happened to them?

AF still flies 13 A320-100s, no frame retired yet. Six of them are based at ORY and mostly fly on domestic routes, the others are used on the European network from CDG.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
I seem to remember that an A-320 was scrapped last year, in Florida. So, would this be the second A-320 scrapped?

In addition to G-BUSD, seven A320-200s have been scrapped so far (four ex-NW, two ex-HP and one ex-CY aircraft).


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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:36 am

They're also used frequently on all LHR-Germany routes, FCO & NCE; but can also turn up on any flight ex T1.
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting ANother (Reply 15):
So, what is being said is G-BUSH is out in 2008. But didn't we already know that?

I've heard G-BUSH will be phased out on Jan 20, 2009  Smile
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 27):
When a plane like this is "scrapped", is there much that can be salvaged for use as spares for siblings that are still in service? Sorry if this aspect has already been addressed.

Yes everything that is bolted on the aircraft can be removed and used on the other A320s. Most of the components can be used on BA A319 and A321 as well, so there is good value there.

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 12):
Can anyone at BA tell me whether there are certain routes which specifically see -100 service? I would like to take a flight on one of these rare birds before it is too late.

Answer is NO. The 10 (now 9) CFM56 engined A320s are kept as a separate fleet in BA and are assigned to specific flights. However this could be a -111 or a -211.
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:48 am

Curious, there were A320-200s which got scrapped before any of the Series 100 would meet the same fate. Anyone know why?
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:04 am

these planes were built without winglets am i correct ?
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:09 am

I flew on G-BUSD MAN-LHR in April, a bit of shame thats its gone now. A bit of a mystery why its been withdrawn and parted out before SB and SC. I had G-BUSG LHR-MAN, which is a -211.

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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Etops1 (Reply 34):
these planes were built without winglets am i correct ?

Only the -100s don't have the wingtip fences. The -200s, in this case, the ex BCal -211s, do have wingtip fences.
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 28):
Of course, they do appear on many more - I only checked domestics, and the list above only consists of flights that are scheduled as CFM versions on a regular basis. Of course, if you're going to book a flight, ensure that BA.com is advertising it as an A320 on their timetable before you do so.

I'm flying LGW-MAN on BA2910 on November 24, how are my chances of flying on a dash 100?

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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 37):
I'm flying LGW-MAN on BA2910 on November 24, how are my chances of flying on a dash 100?

Zero. It's not all bad though, you will be on another of BA's classic fleet - the wonderful Boeing 737! Or there's a very slim chance you'll be on an A319 which is very nice and modern although not to everyone's taste.
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 37):
I'm flying LGW-MAN on BA2910 on November 24, how are my chances of flying on a dash 100?

Zilch.

The only A320's in BA colours flying from LGW are those flying for GB Airways, to leisure destinations. Your flight is scheduled to be a B737-400.  Smile
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 38):
Zero. It's not all bad though, you will be on another of BA's classic fleet - the wonderful Boeing 737! Or there's a very slim chance you'll be on an A319 which is very nice and modern although not to everyone's taste.



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 39):
The only A320's in BA colours flying from LGW are those flying for GB Airways, to leisure destinations. Your flight is scheduled to be a B737-400.

Well, thanks for the info! That's certanly another classic to look forward to!

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:18 am

This is indeed sad news.

Quoting GDB (Reply 13):
They also lack commilarity with the A319/320/321's in the fleet since 1999,

Im not that much of an expert on the series 100 so can someone please elaborate for me what is meant by this? Whats so different witht he -100 and why since 1999?

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting Climb1 (Reply 41):
Whats so different witht he -100 and why since 1999?

The biggest difference is that the -100 has lower certificated weights. We have problems with the MZFW quite regularly. Full load of pax and you can be up to it. The aircraft has different undecarriage.
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:33 am

Look forward to a B737-800 in BA colours at LGW  Smile
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:03 am

At a guess G-BUSD had more cycles on the clock than G-BUSB, hence it's getting withdrawn from use first. Yes, I probably stating the obvious!
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:21 am

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Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:22 am

Really sad, a A320-100 model being scrapped. This plane was a revolution and way ahead his time.  crying   tombstone  Lets hope Air France will keep their -100 model a little longer.  pray 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 12):
Also, are Air France still flying their -100s? If not, what happened to them?

Those are still flying on their "La Navette" services, from CDG & ORY to TLS, NCE, etc. By now they must have an astronomical number of cycles!
 
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Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:35 am

I believe that G-BUSD's last revenue flight was on 30 August and that it was ferried LHR-GLA on 31 August for decommissioning. Can anyone confirm or correct this and add when it was ferried GLA-QLA?
 
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RE: A320-100 To Be Scrapped For The First Time (ex-BA)

Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:03 pm

G-BUSE was at Shannon this weekeng crew training.