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How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:05 am

Hi there - I recently returned from a trip to Europe and noticed that many european carriers still offered free food, even on flights lasting less than 1 hour! So I thought to myself, does offering food really help save that much money? AF, KLM, LX, to name a few, are more or less of the same as UAL, AA, DL, etc. and still offer food. So is getting rid of food services a mere cover-up to generate more profits, instead of saving?
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:14 am

These flights are few and far between. Between EZY and FR, they handle a vast proportion of insra european flights, together with "lite" versions of flag carriers (ie click, connect etc) none of which give food for free. I have not seen any fare reductions on the routes I use which once gave away food on. I've seen the airport tax rise significantly, but the actual fare is the same. Bit like Dyson/M+S - they introduced strict cost cutting measures, but the prices have not came down, but their profit margins have increased!
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:49 am

Subject to correction, one of the largest US domestic carriers offers free food on flights over a certain length also, guess who. WN
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting Par13del (Reply 2):
Subject to correction, one of the largest US domestic carriers offers free food on flights over a certain length also, guess who. WN

I think that they mean more than peanuts and cookies and crackers.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:56 am

A lot of the mainline carriers such as BA are still offering free food on European routes to distingusih themselves from the low cost airlines such as Easyjet and Ryanair.
Sometimes their prices depending on when you book can be similar as well, never as low as £1 but around the £60 mark which you sometimes have to pay, or more, on a low cost.

The free food and drink sets them apart from the low costs.

Some mainline airlines have stopped free food and drink on shorter flights, for instance Aer Lingus doesn't serve anything in Economy between London and Dublin.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting B777A340Fan (Thread starter):
does offering food really help save that much money? AF, KLM, LX, to name a few, are more or less of the same as UAL, AA, DL, etc. and still offer food. So is getting rid of food services a mere cover-up to generate more profits, instead of saving?

Even though they are still offering food, even AF, KL, LX, BA, etc. are all cutting down and are nowhere near where they were a few years ago either. And the 'food' is not really that substantial anyway: LX offers a muffin for breakfast and sandwiches otherwise. KL offers a tiny sandwich for breakfast and a roll/pastry while AF offers just snacks (crackers, biscuits) on short-hauls. So yes, even those carriers know that cutting down on food is a savings and not just a ruse for more profits.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:01 am

AFAIK Aer Lingus doesn't serve anything in Economy period, except on their A330 long haul flights.
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 5):
Even though they are still offering food, even AF, KL, LX, BA, etc. are all cutting down and are nowhere near where they were a few years ago either. And the 'food' is not really that substantial anyway: LX offers a muffin for breakfast and sandwiches otherwise. KL offers a tiny sandwich for breakfast and a roll/pastry while AF offers just snacks (crackers, biscuits) on short-hauls. So yes, even those carriers know that cutting down on food is a savings and not just a ruse for more profits.

Well, Europeans in general eat far smaller meals than Americans do so what may seem like a "tiny" sandwich for you is not really that tiny for the average European  Smile

But I agree, they are all cutting service although you still find better onboard service amongst the European legacy carriers than you do with the American legacy carriers. Some airlines I flew with recently within europe on flights less than 3 hours were LH, KL, TP, BA. They all offered a full free meal whether it was breakfast or lunch.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:07 am

My experiences on short-haul intra-Europe LH is that they serve food in Business Class, but not Economy. This tracks to most US carriers, who still serve it in First Class, but not Economy. I cannot speak for the other European carriers.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting Theginge (Reply 4):
for instance Aer Lingus doesn't serve anything in Economy between London and Dublin.



Quoting AJO (Reply 6):
AFAIK Aer Lingus doesn't serve anything in Economy period, except on their A330 long haul flights.

Yes, that's correct. Aer Lingus stopped serving free food and drink a few years back on all of its short-haul routes.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 7):
Well, Europeans in general eat far smaller meals than Americans do so what may seem like a "tiny" sandwich for you is not really that tiny for the average European

Trust me, this was a tiny one (breakfast flight ZRH-AMS) by any standard, which was half the size of the sandwich they used to serve on the same route just six months ago....

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 7):
Some airlines I flew with recently within europe on flights less than 3 hours were LH, KL, TP, BA. They all offered a full free meal whether it was breakfast or lunch.

Was this in Y? And what routes? I've done BA on LHR-ZRH, KL on ZRH-AMS, LX on multiple ex-ZRH flights and all of them offered at most sandwiches and a drink.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:39 am

Czech Airlines still serves food. Even on their domestic routes operated by ATR 42. I flew on Brno (BRQ) to Prague (PRG) route, 25 minutes in the air and we got a snack box with sandwich, juice, coffee or tea.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:56 am

I would rather reverse the question:
How come most American carriers don't offer free food anymore?

It's more N America being the exception than Europe... Although Europe is getting more and more N American in this domain (and others...)
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting EI787 (Reply 9):
Quoting AJO (Reply 6):
AFAIK Aer Lingus doesn't serve anything in Economy period

They do a real nice breakfast which costs €7, not free but its worth it.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:16 am

My dad flies to France and AMS frequently on business, the amount the company pays for the tickets, they should give them food!

I think thats the key point, is that business travellers pay so much more (triple sometimes) it makes it worthwhile to serve food and keep their customers happy.

Going to BKK this year was the first time in years I've had food on a plane! I'm sure we given meals when we used to fly to Spain in the late 1980s - less than 2 hours!
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 5):
while AF offers just snacks (crackers, biscuits) on short-hauls

wrong : on domestic flights, you have bakeries (croissants, etc) during breakfast hours (until 9 or 9:30) and sandwiches during lunch and dinner hours.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:28 am

Can't comment on intra-european flights, haven't done it in a long time.

But try a flight between DEL-BOM on any of the indian carriers. Believe me, you won't be disappointed. Most serve decent Indian meals which is quite awesome as opposed to the crackers, chips or cookies on flight in the US.
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:30 am

I flew LHR-GLA last Saturday at 10am with BA and received a yummy hot breakfast. Bacon, Eggs, Sausage, Mushroom & Tomato with Roll, Coffee & OJ. All in economy and on a 1 hour flight!
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:34 am

Finnair serves meals inclusive in all classes on flights with a duration of more than 2 hours.
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 15):
wrong : on domestic flights, you have bakeries (croissants, etc) during breakfast hours (until 9 or 9:30) and sandwiches during lunch and dinner hours.

which makes it all the more pathetic that intra-European flights like CDG-AMS or CDG-FRA (certainly more international than the Navette) offer only the "sweet" (biscuits) or "salty" (crackers) option on AF in Tempo.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 19):
which makes it all the more pathetic that intra-European flights like CDG-AMS or CDG-FRA (certainly more international than the Navette) offer only the "sweet" (biscuits) or "salty" (crackers) option on AF in Tempo

I fly very regularly intra-european routes on AF tempo and I always had light meal (breakfast, sandwiches, fruit tarts, etc) during meal times. Outside meal hours, service is limited to beverages and crackers/biscuits
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 20):
I fly very regularly intra-european routes on AF tempo and I always had light meal (breakfast, sandwiches, fruit tarts, etc) during meal times. Outside meal hours, service is limited to beverages and crackers/biscuits

Come to think of it, you're right (my bad), most of my recent intra-European AF flights have all been outside of proper meal times, hence the crackers and biscuits (same ones as in the AF Salons). Thanks for the correction...
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:04 am

OS has decided to reintroduce inflight meals, staring October06, on their intra-european flights. They used to only serve a bottle of water in Y.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:09 am

Yes, I'm not talking about cheese crackers....I'm talking about sandwiches and drinks (including wine and beer that would cost $5 might I add) that most american carriers would offer on coast-to-coast flights if at all. I flew CDG-AMS; AMS-CPH; CDG-ZRH; flights that are serviced with 737s and 318s/319s and each less of an hour. Once seat belt signs were turned off, flight attendants would start serving the meals and once they get to the end of the cabin, the captain would make a general announcement about starting decent. A lot of people didn't even have time to finish. So yes, it's not just a cookie and water.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:20 am

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 24):
So you are saying that in economy class on AF/KLM/SK/LX you got a full hot meal with free beer/wine in economy class on these intra-european flights?

on AF, hot meals are served on EU routes only on the longest flights (more than 3 hrs). On shorter flights, it's cold meal. Alcohol is free on all AF flights (domestic, EU, long-haul) and I think it's the case for all legacy EU carriers
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:39 am

I hope BA starts serving Haggis......
 
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Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:47 am

This is the catering schedule for BA short-haul flights in economy (ex LHR):

All flights: Complimentary alcoholic/non alcoholic drinks bar

'Band 1 + 2' (AMS, BRU, CDG, DUS, BSL, FRA, GVA, HAM, LYS, MUC, STR, TXL, ZRH) - up to around 1:40 flight time.
Breakfast (06:00 - 09:29) Hot breakfast Baguette, fruit pot, muffin.
Off Peak AM (0930 - 1129) 'Bar Nibbles' ie fruit + nut mix, cookies etc
Lunch (1200 - 1359) Sandwich or wrap with chocolate bar
Off peak PM (1400 - 1629) Bar Nibbles
Evening (1630 - 2200) As for lunch

Band 3. (ARN, BCN, BEG, BUD, CPH, FCO, HEL, LIN, LIS, MAD, MXP, NCE, OSL, PRG, VIE WAW - flights up to around 2:45 in duration
Breakfast: As per Band 1 + 2.
Rest of day: Sandwich or wrap with pudding/dessert and chocolate bar.

Band 4. (ATH, DME, IST, KBP, LCA, LED, OTP, SOF, TIP) - flights up to around 4:30 duration
Breakfast: Hot breakfast with fruit plate, bread roll, pastry.
Rest of day: Hot meal with appetizer and dessert/pudding

DOMESTIC (GLA, EDI, NCL, MAN, ABZ)
Breakfast: Hot breakfast (hot baguette on MAN/NCL)
Off Peak AM: as for band 1/2
Lunch: sandwich or wrap with chocolate bar.
Off peak PM: as for band 1/2
Evening: (1630 - 2200) On scottish routes, tray with cold salad, bread roll and sweet/pudding. On NCL/MAN as for lunch.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:55 am

Why such a fuss about food on short flights. I even feel disturbed by the stressed service. When I don't fly, I don't eat every two hours. Why should I do that in the air? When I get a glass of water or a coffee I am satisfied. I agree when a flight goes three hours and more and is at lunch or supper time it is convenient to get something to eat.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
My experiences on short-haul intra-Europe LH is that they serve food in Business Class, but not Economy. This tracks to most US carriers, who still serve it in First Class, but not Economy. I cannot speak for the other European carriers.

I had a sandwich (not much of one, but something) on an LH flight from MXP-FRA last year. I'd also like to point out that it isn't as much the airlines not giving you "free" food, but cutting costs and giving you the same priced tickets. What irks me is the premium they want you to pay for the buy on board stuff. Considering what the average meal costs for domestic flights in the US supposedly was... On the otherhand, getting rid of the galleys probably gives them an extra few seats to sell. Of all the US carriers that I have flown recently, US is the most disapointing. Not even a decent selection of drinks on the short hops (i.e. coke, sprite, or water, no peanuts). Even SW does better than that (and I'm no SW fan by any stretch). And don't get me started on the cheapness of the domestic carriers on transatlantic hops. Pay for alcohol... Personally, it doesn't matter that much to me in practice, since I don't like to drink in flight, but it is the principal of the matter. It's all about the lowest price, forget the service. But that is a trend in almost every industry I guess. Price is all that matters. Not much in the way of lyalty otherwise.

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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 28):
Why such a fuss about food on short flights. I even feel disturbed by the stressed service. When I don't fly, I don't eat every two hours. Why should I do that in the air? When I get a glass of water or a coffee I am satisfied. I agree when a flight goes three hours and more and is at lunch or supper time it is convenient to get something to eat.

You have a point. If my wife is flying ORD-STL, departing ORD at 2:30pm and arriving around 3:30pm, she doesn't need a snack.

On the other hand, if the flight departs at noon, something more substantial than a bag of pretzels would be good.

My wife and I were flying from LAS to ORD on AA. The flight was scheduled to depart at 9:40am Pacific time. Due to weather in Chicago, we wound up pushing back at 10:00, onto the hold pad for 2 hours. We wound up getting into the gate at ORD at 5:30pm Central time, about 2 and 1/2 hours behind schedule.

The only food in coach was breakfast snacks for purchase, and they weren't served until after takeoff. So, anyone in coach probably didn't get dinner until 6:30pm Central (4:30pm Pacific).

That's an awful long time to go without having a full meal.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:30 am

BAStew, do you know into which category the 5-times-a-week LGW-KEF (Keflavik, Iceland) flights (BA2790/BA2791) fall?

I travelled on this leg last May and if I remember right we were served from the 'Band 1 + 2' breakfast menu (both ways I think, although the KEF-LGW flight departs at 10:30). Can you confirm this?


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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 7):
Well, Europeans in general eat far smaller meals than Americans do so what may seem like a "tiny" sandwich for you is not really that tiny for the average European

The smallest sandwich I have ever seen was served to me on an LH flight MAN-FRA. I nearly called Norris McWurter to verify it's record breaking smallness but then I remembered he was dead.

I flew BD MAN-LHR nearly a year ago and I was incensed that I was charged £1.50 for a cup of tea despite the air fare costing my company £294 sterling for an economy return. The bizarre thing was that for that fare I could use their lounge at MAN and LHR and as a result knock back a load of free wine! However if you only got to the airport 30 mins before your flight you got nothing for the same fare!
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 32):
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 7):Well, Europeans in general eat far smaller meals than Americans do so what may seem like a "tiny" sandwich for you is not really that tiny for the average European
The smallest sandwich I have ever seen was served to me on an LH flight MAN-FRA.

I've lived in, and also travelled fairly extensively throughout Europe and concur that the "sandwich" I had on LH was the smallest I have ever seen.

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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting Asgeirs (Reply 31):
BAStew, do you know into which category the 5-times-a-week LGW-KEF (Keflavik, Iceland) flights (BA2790/BA2791) fall?

Hey Asgeirs, KEF is a band 4 service. But as the flight is out of LGW the catering is different. It has lower costs and all catering is return catered from LGW on all short-haul routes in both Club and Eurotraveller. Unfortunately there is no hot meal in economy on any short-haul flight to/from LGW. Though i'm sure a nice hot dinner would be appreciated on a flight from Iceland!  Smile
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:37 am

Thanks BAStew for the information.  Smile

Quoting BAStew (Reply 34):
... Though i'm sure a nice hot dinner would be appreciated on a flight from Iceland!

It's not THAT cold here you know... Big grin

Kidding aside - it would of course not be bad to get a hot meal, but at least the bread roll was hot I think.

It's worth mentioning that the BA catering differs from both Icelandair (complementary hot meal included but soda/alcoholic drinks charged) and Iceland Express (no complementary meal but sandwiches, salads, how baguettes and "skyr" can be purchased as well as drinks of course) so you can see that we have quite a broad range of food choices to keep in mind when selecting a carrier on the Iceland-London route.  Silly
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:01 am

Malev has recently upgraded its catering service on its entire European destination network. Flights up to 1:30 hrs: sandwich. Flights longer than 1,5 hrs: hot sandwich or hot breakfast/dinner. Free alcohol drinks as well!
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 5):
Even though they are still offering food, even AF, KL, LX, BA, etc. are all cutting down and are nowhere near where they were a few years ago either.

I was charged for a soda (Coke) on a BA flight from Paris-Manchester. Ticket was 170 pounds one-way.

I thought (nonalcoholic) drinks should have been complimentary.

This was a lunchtime flight (11:45 am)
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:52 am

I was given a hot breakfast on a 1 hour SAS flight from CPH-OSL which was shocking considering that I don't even get a meal on a 6 hour transcontinental flight. -The hot meal made my day
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
My experiences on short-haul intra-Europe LH is that they serve food in Business Class, but not Economy. This tracks to most US carriers, who still serve it in First Class, but not Economy. I cannot speak for the other European carriers.

this counds for intra-german LH flights.... on european flight you get also in Eco a small snack (small sandwich, etc...)
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:50 pm

Quoting COERJ (Reply 38):
I was given a hot breakfast on a 1 hour SAS flight from CPH-OSL

SAS are strange in that hot breakfast in economy is free on Domestic and intra-scandinavian flights, but has to be paid for on European flights.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:07 pm

Quoting ZRH (Reply 28):
Why such a fuss about food on short flights.

For many travelers, it's their only opportunity to get something to eat at that time. If they are traveling for business, they may have just rushed to an early flight and need to eat before a meeting as soon as they land. It's far more civilized to have a bite while in your seat than run through the airport munching something or eating in your car/taxi on the way.

In the USA, when carriers cut back on service, business people suffered most. They would arrive at the airport early morning before the concessions were ever open, then get on a flight that served nothing, then have a tight connection, then get on another plane that served nothing, then arrive at dinner time without eating a thing! And business travelers are the ones that drive profits.

Airports started to realize this problem and opened concessions earlier, and travelers had to change their habits and bring food with them, which is an inconvenience.

Quoting BAStew (Reply 27):
DOMESTIC (GLA, EDI, NCL, MAN, ABZ)Breakfast: Hot breakfast (hot baguette on MAN/NCL)

I would assume this is because if you are flying a morning flight Domestic on BA, you are likely missing your traditional breakfast, and I think it's great that they pay so much attention to this meal (vs. just providing a wrap at lunch or dinner). Great way to start a business day, with a full English breakfast. I wish USA domestic airlines wouldn't ignore breakfast like they do.
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:27 pm

Quoting ANstar (Reply 17):
I flew LHR-GLA last Saturday at 10am with BA and received a yummy hot breakfast. Bacon, Eggs, Sausage, Mushroom & Tomato with Roll, Coffee & OJ. All in economy and on a 1 hour flight!

I recently flew LGW-MAN on an early morning BA flight. The journey was under an hour and I was surprised that they served a hot breakfast just like above with a hot beverage. For the cabin crew to have served this to an almost full flight, and then collect the trays in under 40 minutes from start to finish was an achievement.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 37):
I was charged for a soda (Coke) on a BA flight from Paris-Manchester.

I think you will find that CDG-MAN is operated by BAConnect.
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting WSOY (Reply 18):
Finnair serves meals inclusive in all classes on flights with a duration of more than 2 hours.

To be exact it goes like this:

Quoting Finnair.com:
In Economy Class on European flights we usually serve a warm meal on longer flights (lasting more than two hours) operated by Airbus aircraft. On the Embraer aircraft we serve a cold meal, and on shorter flights a snack. On our oneclass flights we either serve a meal or a snack, depending on aircraft type and destination. In Economy Class and on oneclass flights red wine and white wine is served on all other flights but the shortest ones, for example to Stockholm and St. Petersburg. Cognac, whisky, vodka, liqueur, and gin-tonic is availble for a charge on flights lasting more than two hours.
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:26 pm

Not even that many airlines are still serving food, Austrian today announced that they were going to re-introduce food on short-haul flights.

http://www.austrianairlines.co.at/en...DA62E-54AD-4860-B8D6-1CC2203FE77A}
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:35 pm

This week I flew WAW-BRU on LOT Polish Airlines (1h50min). We were served a hot meal, soft drinks, coffe, tea, wine, beer and liquor are free..

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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 40):
Quoting BAStew (Reply 27):
DOMESTIC (GLA, EDI, NCL, MAN, ABZ)Breakfast: Hot breakfast (hot baguette on MAN/NCL)

I would assume this is because if you are flying a morning flight Domestic on BA, you are likely missing your traditional breakfast, and I think it's great that they pay so much attention to this meal (vs. just providing a wrap at lunch or dinner). Great way to start a business day, with a full English breakfast. I wish USA domestic airlines wouldn't ignore breakfast like they do.

As the domestic flighst are all one class (no club available) we get quite a mix of passengers from those paying the lowest fares to Exec Club Premier level pax paying the full fare, so there has to be some decent offering.

A while back the cold salad/bread/dessert tray, served on flights after 16:29, was replaced with the sandwich box served on most other routes at that time. There was such a back-lash from passengers that they quickly re-instated the tray service.

Seems a bit strange though, you can fly LHR - HEl on a 2:45 flight with a sandwich and chocolate bar, but fly a quick 50min hop up to GLA or EDI and get a nice tray.

BA have just completed their cost saving initiative and market research for catering on short-haul flights.

The results communicated to crew were "All our competitors have looked at ways of changing their catering to improve profitabily and BA is no exception. We have conducted a significant amount of competitor monitoring....The conclusion was taht we should not reduce the amount of money spent on catering our LHR shorthaul flights any further. Savings have already been made and any further reduction would impact revenue and customer satisfaction. The only remaining option is, therefore, to make the product easier to deliver so that on some flights less crew are required"
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting BigSky123 (Reply 22):
OS has decided to reintroduce inflight meals, staring October06, on their intra-european flights. They used to only serve a bottle of water in Y.

they get more and more competition from Air Berlin and niki who still serve a fairly decent sandwich for free. The hot meals niki offers for € 7,00 resp. € 11,00 are real tasty and worth the money.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 41):
I recently flew LGW-MAN on an early morning BA flight. The journey was under an hour and I was surpr

The answer is rail competition. Wherever there is a competing carrier, be it in the air or on the rails, the service is better than average. Has nothing to do with domestic or international. In the single European market, everything is domestic anyhway.
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:40 pm

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 39):
SAS are strange in that hot breakfast in economy is free on Domestic and intra-scandinavian flights, but has to be paid for on European flights.

I think early morning domestic and intra-Scandinavian flights are the big money makers in the SAS system and hence they try to woo those pax a little extra to keep them coming back.

I had a very tasty breakfast between OSL-CPH on SAS some months ago, despite paying very little for the fare.  thumbsup 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:17 am

I've always had food on my flights in Europe. Last one was in late August of 2005 on SN Brussels. We got a box with a sandwich, pasta salad, etc. It was pretty nice considering you get nothing in the US.
 
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RE: How Come European Carriers Still Offer Free Food?

Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:39 am

To sum this up!? Flag carriers IB, OV, BT, Aer Lingus and SK (exception SK serve hot breakfast on intra Scandinavian routes) are buy onboard airlines nothing is free on European flights on all the other flag carriers you get hot/cold meal or a snack and drinks depending on duration of the flight/ breakfast/ lunch/ dinner time or the airline only serve snacks on European flights.