juventus
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Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:46 am

Looks like 4 weekly flights to get things going.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...story/11-13-2006/0004472996&EDATE=
 
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:53 am

It looks like AM wants to go all to international flights, and I think for them is beter cause to many new airlines in the local skyes, all flighrts to the same destinations, but national flights, and I think AM have to take this points that they have in favor and go all the way to the International skyes and leave the national to the new low and saturate cost flights...
What do you think aboutit...?
And now with Japan... They have to buy lots of big birds and go all the way... to all the world bringing the name of Mexico...
And AM have very good reputation outside Mexico, and they have to take also that as part of the years of good work...
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:11 am

Good news for AUS. I think the route will do well.
Didn’t DFW have AM service at one time?
 
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:12 am

Good going for Austin on its first international service! I hope you folks there see lots more.

I do hope the AUS-MEX service lasts longer than AM's SAN-MEX service which started (most recently) in July 2005 and has been completely gone now for a month or 2; it was also applied for/announced to be started with 4x weekly but actually started with 2x. (I know, it's been tried before and TIJ is nearby...)

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 1):
It looks like AM wants to go all to international flights

I didn't see this comment supported in this linked article; are you sure this is correct, Cun? I find it a bit hard to believe that is the case.

bb

[Edited 2006-11-14 03:14:09]
 
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:15 am

I hope it lasts longer than MX's previous MEX-AUS a few years ago.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:18 am

Good for AUS, could not have happened to a nicer airport.

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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting Cun757 (Reply 1):
It looks like AM wants to go all to international flights, and I think for them is beter cause to many new airlines in the local skyes

I agree with you. I think some day Aeromexico will fly more passengers internationally than they do within Mexico.

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 4):
hope it lasts longer than MX's previous MEX-AUS a few years ago.

COEX also tried this route.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
I do hope the AUS-MEX service lasts longer than AM's SAN-MEX service which started (most recently) in July 2005 and has been completely gone now for a month or 2; it was also applied for/announced to be started with 4x weekly but actually started with 2x. (I know, it's been tried before and TIJ is nearby...)

Actually, SAN-MEX is returning next month as a 4x weekly service. Schedules are as follows:

Operational days: 1567

SAN 0820 737
MEX 1335

Operational days: 4567
MEX 1710 737
SAN 1850

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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:37 pm

What gate with AM operate out of?
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 7):
Actually, SAN-MEX is returning next month as a 4x weekly service.

Hey Trvlr, thank you for that! Did you stumble on that on the website's flight sked's or was there a PR I missed? I love the times too; in the past, they've approached the flights from a MEX-business-traveler standpoint: lv MEX early morning and return out of Lindbergh late afternoon. This time, apparently they are trying it the other way around and I think it will do much better. (I wonder why they let the service die for a few months. I hope they aren't bringing it back just for the Holidays...)

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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:44 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Good going for Austin on its first international service! I hope you folks there see lots more.

Technically, this isn't AUS's first international service. For not long - maybe five months in 2000 - Air Canada operated a 1x daily AUS-YYZ with an A319. Disappointing results, but I maintain hopeful that one day this could work with an E170.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 4):
I hope it lasts longer than MX's previous MEX-AUS a few years ago.

It was QA's venture into AUS with only two weekly flights (Thursdays and Sundays). Lets see if this time AM can make it work... My only concern is that AM should concentrate in either SAT or AUS, but not both, since they are quite close and it does not make sense to serve them both...

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
(I wonder why they let the service die for a few months. I hope they aren't bringing it back just for the Holidays...)

AM will not be successful in the MEX-SAN route until they tie the price and schedule strategy to the MEX-TIJ route (difficult for AM to achieve with its cost structure). I am a frequent traveler to the TIJ/SAN area and the convenience of many flights spread throughout the day and cheap tickets (thanks to multiple airlines competing) make me fly to TIJ, rent a car and cross the border. I was in SAN yesterday and it took me 25 minutes to get from Downtown to TIJ airport. I know sometimes it is a nightmare to cross the border, but if you know the peak hours and stay away from them, it is quite easy to go from TIJ to SAN and from SAN to TIJ.

Every time I fly MEX/TLC - TIJ between 40 and 60% of the passengers are going to SAN. I even have a coworker who lives in SAN, works in Mexico City and travels every weekend to San Diego to see his wife and kids, but uses TIJ instead of SAN because of schedule convenience. We also forget that in TIJ airport there are many bus companies that take you to SAN, LAX, Anaheim, Las Vegas, etc. and instead of using the same bus to drive all the way to your destination, they take you in one bus to the border, you walk through it (skip all traffic) and another bus is waiting for you to get you to your destination, so you don't have to wait hours to cross the border. If you add up everything, I don't see a market for AM in the MEX-SAN route. Even CO was not successful when the tried the route because yields were so low thanks to the TIJ factor!!
 
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:17 pm

Quoting Rojo (Reply 11):
AM will not be successful in the MEX-SAN route until they tie the price and schedule strategy to the MEX-TIJ route

Thanx for the input Rojo.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 9):
In the past, they've [AM] approached the flights from a MEX-business-traveler standpoint: lv MEX early morning and return out of Lindbergh late afternoon. This time, apparently they are trying it the other way around.

I don't know if they are timing the flights this time more for the SAN market on purpose or what, but I suspect the flights will do better on this schedule. (BTW, the flights operate only from Dec 7 thru Feb 4. so they haven't returned permanently.) For what it's worth, the fare seems to be around $520 r/t.

There certainly is a huge market to MEX from SAN but of course you're right about TIJ; as I've said many times before, I find it interesting that AM even tries competing with themselves at all.

Finally, I can't help but wonder the results if an American carrier, e.g., CO (again), DL (unlikely), F9Smile ), etc., offered travelers an alternative.

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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:28 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 6):
COEX also tried this route.

Wasn't it from SAT ? I don't remember. There was also a short lived Frontier Cancun flight wasn't there?

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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 13):
Wasn't it from SAT ? I don't remember.

I'm sorry, I think you're right. It was SAT-MEX COEX flew, not AUS-MEX.
 
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 8):
What gate with AM operate out of?

I'd guess gate 2, because that is the gate with US customs.

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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:53 am

First of all...congrats to AUS! Must be nice to something other than the usual domestic stuff.

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 7):
Actually, SAN-MEX is returning next month as a 4x weekly service. Schedules are as follows:

Operational days: 1567

SAN 0820 737
MEX 1335

Operational days: 4567
MEX 1710 737
SAN 1850

These flights must be a reliever segment during the high season for the SAN-SJD-MEX direct flight that departs less than an hour later.
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:24 am

What aircraft is being used on the route? MD80, 737-700, other?
 
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 12):
For what it's worth, the fare seems to be around $520 r/t.

And why is that? Because there's people that pay to fly those outrageous fares! So people like Rojo or he's co-wo and more that frequently fly the route do all things possible to avoid paying a 500USD fare. But some others go full 520!!

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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Good going for Austin on its first international service!

Air Canada flew YYZ-AUS 319 service briefly around 2000.
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 17):
What aircraft is being used on the route? MD80, 737-700, other?

737-700.

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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 2):
Didn’t DFW have AM service at one time?

Yeah, they left shortly after DL closed its hub. Since then MX has come in and taken their place. Now its a split market between AA and MX.

Good news for AUS. It was only a matter of time.
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 21):
Now its a split market between AA and MX.

Good news for AUS. It was only a matter of time.

Well, split market yes, but clearly dominated by AA. AA flies 5x daily with MD-80's whereas MX flies 2x daily (is this right?) with A319's.

About all this 'AM goes to AUS' thing, I am not completely convinced. As Rojo mentioned, Austin and San Antonio are very, very near from each other and I am not sure it is a good idea to serve both airports. In any case, good luck to AM!!!
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:30 am

A bit out of topic, dose anyone knows why COEX quit the SAT-MEX and LRD-MEX routes, or are they are only operated seasonal?
I remember watching the announcement at the Continental ticket counters here in Mexico City and the flights where from SAT to MEX, LRD to MEX and MFE to MEX, now days the only flight that still operated is the MFE-MEX route.
So those anyone knows what happened to the other 2 flights?
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
About all this 'AM goes to AUS' thing, I am not completely convinced. As Rojo mentioned, Austin and San Antonio are very, very near from each other and I am not sure it is a good idea to serve both airports. In any case, good luck to AM!!!

Very near, yes (80 miles roughly). But, aside from a relatively small overlapping population, they are completely different cities, with completely different motives for serving. Not being racist, whatsoever, but San Antonio has a very large hispanic population, which would do well to have easier ties to Mexico. I'm sure they, in large part, keep that route alive, and even force AM to upgrade it to daily.

Austin, on the other hand, will benefit from the diplomatic connection between the capital of the state, and the capital of our southern neighbor. It also links the Central Texas high tech industry to one of the largest cities in the world, and a high tech customer. Austin, itself, also has a good sized hispanic population, as well as the University of Texas, which I'm sure creates a fair amount of demand also.

I know this route has been tried in the past, without much success, but here's to hoping AM operates this route well, and the business follows.

BTW, this reply may have come across as a little snooty, it was certainly not intended as such.  Smile Just defending my hometown!

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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:23 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 22):
Well, split market yes, but clearly dominated by AA. AA flies 5x daily with MD-80's whereas MX flies 2x daily (is this right?) with A319's.

Keep in mind that AA was not happy with MX's decision to step into the MEX-DFW route so AA does not codeshare on MX's flights and MX does codeshare on AA's flights... hope they change this and AA starts codesharing on MX's flights soon!

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 24):
Very near, yes (80 miles roughly). But, aside from a relatively small overlapping population, they are completely different cities, with completely different motives for serving. Not being racist, whatsoever, but San Antonio has a very large hispanic population, which would do well to have easier ties to Mexico. I'm sure they, in large part, keep that route alive, and even force AM to upgrade it to daily.

Just remember that most of the people traveling to SAT from MEX are going there for shopping and entertainment purposes and it is quite common to rent a car and go to San Marcos. With AUS as an option, they can also rent a car and go to San Marcos, since it is almost in the middle of both cities (maybe closer to SAT, but doesn't matter for someone with a car). SAT also has La Cantera, Northstar, Sea World and Six Flags, but AUS lacks a little bit of entertainment for kids (more of a student oriented city) although they also have some malls. Both have its pros and cons, so lets see if AM can sustaint both fligts for a long time...
 
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:26 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
I didn't see this comment supported in this linked article

All I want to say is that AM is thinking more and more on the international routes...
And Im shure that there is the future of AM...
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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting Rojo (Reply 25):
Just remember that most of the people traveling to SAT from MEX are going there for shopping and entertainment purposes and it is quite common to rent a car and go to San Marcos. With AUS as an option, they can also rent a car and go to San Marcos, since it is almost in the middle of both cities (maybe closer to SAT, but doesn't matter for someone with a car). SAT also has La Cantera, Northstar, Sea World and Six Flags, but AUS lacks a little bit of entertainment for kids (more of a student oriented city) although they also have some malls. Both have its pros and cons, so lets see if AM can sustaint both fligts for a long time...

You do have a good point. San Marcos actually is only about 30 miles from AUS, whereas SAT is about 45, just FYI. The only thing that Austin can brag about is the live music scene, which is certainly one of the main reasons to come here as a leisure traveller. I agree, though, San Antonio has more to offer to a shopping/entertainment oriented visitor, with the Riverwalk, Alamo etc... Neither AUS nor SAT has a distinct advantage over the other for traffic going to the Texas Hill Country, AUS is probably a bit closer, but SAT is easier (just take 281 all the way up to Johnson City and hang a left at 290 to get to Fredricksburg).

I agree that time will tell, and lets hope AM can make them both work. If AM can prove that there is an international travel market from Austin/Central Texas, maybe that will woo other airlines here as well. *Cough* Korean Air. I know, wishful thinking, but with Samsung's new plant here, I can dream, can't I.  Wink

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RE: Aeromexico Announces Flights To Austin, TX

Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:09 pm

Quoting Rojo (Reply 25):
With AUS as an option, they can also rent a car and go to San Marcos, since it is almost in the middle of both cities (maybe closer to SAT, but doesn't matter for someone with a car). SAT also has La Cantera, Northstar, Sea World and Six Flags, but AUS lacks a little bit of entertainment for kids

As you all know (Mexican a.netters), you need to rent a car in San Antonio unless it is a very short trip and you stay at a hotel close to Northstar with shuttle service. However, as Rojo says, with La Cantera, the outlets in San Marcos, maybe the chance to see a Spurs game, taking the kids to an amusement park, etc., a car is a must. With that in mind, I will fly to the city where it is cheaper to fly... and I am sure most people will do that too. So at least for Mexican leisure travelers, AUS and SAT are like alternates.
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