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Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:18 am

A glass-is-half-full thread, to counter the other glass-is-half-empty thread  Smile

http://www.fin24.co.za/articles/comp...2=comp&ArticleID=1518-1783_2029840

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"The chances that we will buy Airbus A380 are as good as ever. We have absolutely no doubt that EADS will resolve the problems surrounding the project," German newspaper Handelsblatt quoted BA chief executive Willie Walsh as saying in an advance extract of an interview to be published on Tuesday.

"There are good arguments for us to buy a few Airbus A380s," he said, adding that BA would need at least 10 of the jets to run its long-haul services efficiently.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:34 pm

Thanks for giving a clear picture of what Willie Walsh said about the A380... so know, even though he says the A380 would slow down LHR (as said in the other half-thread), BA isn't against the idea of the A380.... they actually have come up with a number figure for what they would initially order... This just confirms what I've being thinking all along.... that the A380 will be a part of BA's fleet....
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:43 pm

A real spanner in the works for all the doubters out there, methinks. Anyone who thinks the A380 is a dead horse should really think again.

I know it doesn't prove anyone right or wrong (a time will come for that) but it sure is a much-needed boost for Airbus' morale.

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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:25 pm

Its a mess at the moment but once they solve the problems its going to sell more and more. I also think some airlines might jump in now and order it at the lower price.
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:33 pm

Or he's just trying to get a better deal from Boeing. After all, isn't that what people say when it's the other way around?

I still don't think it makes sense for them, but hey, he's the chief and I'm not, so if he thinks there are 4-6 routes where they could use it effectively year round, then he must know.
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:55 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Or he's just trying to get a better deal from Boeing. After all, isn't that what people say when it's the other way around?

I still don't think it makes sense for them, but hey, he's the chief and I'm not, so if he thinks there are 4-6 routes where they could use it effectively year round, then he must know.

Yields on one of BA's more lucrative routes LHR-HKG are getting trounced on now with so many carriers entering the fray.....

LHR-SYD/MEL, which was once one of BA's biggest routes has seen a loss of MEL and a downgrade of 1 of the 2 daily 747's to SYD down to a 777...

The same thing is on LHR-NYC..where there is so much competition now with MaxJet, and SA)">DL commencing a 2nd JFK-LGW route next year...

LHR-JNB is a big route, but even SA is saying that JNB-LHR isn't enough for them to get an A380....

That being said, there is a potential to see BA order maybe a "dozen or so" A380's down the line..but I think that would be tops............

My guess though would be on 77W and 748I...
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:44 pm

Quoting WingedMigrator (Thread starter):
There are good arguments for us to buy a few Airbus A380s,"

Maybe he likes the idea of reducing everyone else's capacity at LHR?  biggrin 

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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:16 pm

What about ordering a mixture of A 380 and B 747-8 to replace their B 747-400s?
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:33 pm

From the article: "British Airways currently uses only Boeings but is planning to upgrade its fleet."

Really? Are all those BA A320s just sitting around as decoration at Heathrow?

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 2):
Anyone who thinks the A380 is a dead horse should really think again.

Most of us don't think it's a dead horse. Just a somewhat sickly one.  worried 
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
LHR-JNB is a big route, but even SA is saying that JNB-LHR isn't enough for them to get an A380....

Because, I think, that was their [i]only[i] route where it was needed. While it might not be cost effective for SAA to buy one or two for one route, BA would have several routes that would sustain A380s of which LHR-JNB would be one.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
That being said, there is a potential to see BA order maybe a "dozen or so" A380's down the line..but I think that would be tops............

I'm sure Airbus would not see a BA order for "a dozen" A380s as a disappointment or an insult...  Wink
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:00 pm

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
Most of us don't think it's a dead horse. Just a somewhat sickly one.

As long as it doesn't receive a round of horse medicine.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:01 pm

I do not see 747-8Is at BAW.
Probably they will order A380s , 777-300ERs , and 787s.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:06 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 11):
Probably they will order A380s , 777-300ERs , and 787s.

That would be my guess. In fact, I'd say it's almost a given. We all but know that the 777W is coming, the 787 seems almost inevitable and I'm one of those who see the A380 as likely. With their existing fleet of 777-200ERs (and 744s for a few more years) that should cover pretty much all routes. A 748i would be one new model too many - in my strictly amateur opinion.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
From the article: "British Airways currently uses only Boeings but is planning to upgrade its fleet."

Really? Are all those BA A320s just sitting around as decoration at Heathrow?

I think the article means BA's long haul fleet is all Boeing.

Despite all this, I would be wary until I see some orders confirmed for the mighty a380 by BA. I would love to see a BA colours on a 773 and a380!
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:39 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
The same thing is on LHR-NYC..where there is so much competition now with MaxJet, and SA)">DL commencing a 2nd JFK-LGW route next year...

DL's JFK-LGW route is not a threat to BA, 2 different airports, LHR is still preferred. The same applies to MaxJet to Stansted. I really don't see DL's route as a gold mine.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 2):
Anyone who thinks the A380 is a dead horse should really think again.

It is a bit big for a horse JakTrax, dead, sick or raring to go.  angel  The saga of the A380 just rolls on and on, it is better than the average soap opera.

We should run a book on the next topics on the A380 to win over 50 posts, no hang on, they would be self-fulfilling prophesies.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:00 pm

Hm. Let's think about this. He complains about separation issues with the A380, yet he says BA should/could buy a few.
IMO, this really shows how good the A380 is, especially CASM-wise.
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting WingedMigrator (Thread starter):
A glass-is-half-full thread, to counter the other glass-is-half-empty thread

Maybe the glass is twice as big as it needs to be?  Smile

Quoting N754PR (Reply 3):
Its a mess at the moment but once they solve the problems its going to sell more and more. I also think some airlines might jump in now and order it at the lower price.

Airbus is in financial trouble. Does it make sense for them to be lowering prices?

Quoting N754PR (Reply 3):
your a sad, sad man.

I think you mean "you're a sad, sad man".

Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
We should run a book on the next topics on the A380 to win over 50 posts, no hang on, they would be self-fulfilling prophesies.

Right. You go ahead and do this, and I'll start the thread: "Rumor: Airbus Workers Having Sex on A380"!  Smile
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:58 pm

Well he's blowing hot and cold, which confirms one thing, BA are looking for new jets..... but we knew that.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
The same thing is on LHR-NYC..where there is so much competition now with MaxJet, and SA)">DL commencing a 2nd JFK-LGW route next year...

You forget to mention UA pulling out of that route though. Probably the most significant of the 3 changes to BA.

I could see a small fleet of A380s working for BA. Wouldn't pay too much attention to anything that is said up until an order goes through though.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:06 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Or he's just trying to get a better deal from Boeing. After all, isn't that what people say when it's the other way around?

Actually, he might be trying to get a better deal from Airbus, since they're not in the best situation right now, and they lost the sale of 10 A380s to FedEx. These carrot statements might entice Airbus, since they can't offer these planes on time at the initial profit they hoped for.

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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
Because, I think, that was their only[i] route where it was needed. While it might not be cost effective for SAA to buy one or two for one route, BA would have several routes that would sustain A380s of which LHR-JNB would be one.

True, that is why I listed a few routes and why I think BA [i]might possibly buy the A380....

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
I'm sure Airbus would not see a BA order for "a dozen" A380s as a disappointment or an insult...  Wink

Given how Airbus (especially Leahy) incessantly claimed carriers would switch 1:1 from the B744 to the A380, selling a "dozen or so" would certainly be a disappointment or an insult..... Wink

Quoting BALAX (Reply 14):
DL's JFK-LGW route is not a threat to BA, 2 different airports, LHR is still preferred. The same applies to MaxJet to Stansted. I really don't see DL's route as a gold mine.

It still falls under "New York - London"...many many pax don't mind if its LGW, LHR, STN..even LTN.....and the fact MaxJet and Eos Airlines are still around (and expanding) shows that there are alternatives to flying LHR....not only that, the fact UA pulled out of the route just goes to show how competitive New York - London route is.....

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 18):
You forget to mention UA pulling out of that route though. Probably the most significant of the 3 changes to BA.

UA had only one flight to LHR...but there has been a net increase seats during the past year to year and a half on the New York - London route.
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:56 am

Don't forget, BA, like SQ, has their planes configured in a very low-density way. IF they did get A380s, they would probably put more F and J class seats in, rather than cramming it full of economy seats. So there wouldn't be a huge increase in capacity overall, but on routes where they think they can get more premium traffic, the A380 could work well. But, to paraphrase, it ain't over until the fat lady orders (no offence BA!)
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:06 am

BAW was never really in the buying mood since the A380 was launched. Now they need new planes they just look better to airplanes availible and what other carriers are doing.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
Given how Airbus (especially Leahy) incessantly claimed carriers would switch 1:1 from the B744 to the A380, selling a "dozen or so" would certainly be a disappointment or an insult.....

Even a 2 year old knows that the A380 is not a 1:1 replacement for the B747 at this stage. But who knows what the future will bring to aviation and airports around the world. What will be the heathow of 2030?
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:53 am

I have said before, Willie Walsh loves Airbus having converted the EI fleet to them. I would not be surprised to see the 380 in BA's colours although, I would prefer if it was the 747-8i
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:12 am

I think I have heard this kind of old cliche before, let me think???, ah yes, the old check is in the mail routine!!!
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:25 am

OK, I know this is not very scientific, but I have flown the LHR-SFO flight four times this year, once in each season and the Planes have been at 100% load factor each time. (BA once, UA 3 times). I can't seem to remember when the last time I made a transatlantic flight was where there was an empty seat next to me. So it seems to me there probably is a market for the A380... Also, as a side note, I have decide I will not fly BA again despite the fact they have PTV's, because there "Y" seats are closer together than UA's, AND I wasn't able to select my seat till departure and I ended up with the dreaded "38-G". I won't mention the raining in the cabin either, because I guess that should belong under trip reports.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Bisbee (Reply 24):
I think I have heard this kind of old cliche before, let me think???, ah yes, the old check is in the mail routine!!!

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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 2):
I know it doesn't prove anyone right or wrong (a time will come for that) but it sure is a much-needed boost for Airbus' morale.

And for all the many staff that work at various Airbus plants.


Quoting United Airline (Reply 7):
What about ordering a mixture of A 380 and B 747-8 to replace their B 747-400s?

If BA order the A380 I think it will be complimented with the B773, not the B748. Personally I think they will go for the A380 as it would fit on certain key routes. SFO, JNB, HKG spring to mind but not JFK unless they can maintain an hourly departure ex-JFK on an evening. Maybe SIN and DXB too if they want to compete head to head and maintain the market share they currently enjoy.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:10 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 23):
I have said before, Willie Walsh loves Airbus having converted the EI fleet to them. I would not be surprised to see the 380 in BA's colours although, I would prefer if it was the 747-8i

And BA's board is huge on Boeing...including BA Chairman Martin Broughton...not to mention, at the end of the day, its the best deal which BA can get which will make the most sense..

Given the large Boeing fleet, I see BA sticking with Boeings for widebody and Airbus for narrowbody....
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
Given the large Boeing fleet, I see BA sticking with Boeings for widebody and Airbus for narrowbody....

Except that Airbus can now provide an aircraft that Boeing have no equivalent to.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:29 am

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 29):

Except that Airbus can now provide an aircraft that Boeing have no equivalent to.

Which I'm not sure BA needs... Wink
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 7):
What about ordering a mixture of A 380 and B 747-8 to replace their B 747-400s?

I'd think it would be one or the other rather than both. I could definitely see them going for some A380's, but not for a few years yet. They'll let Airbus work out the kinks in the manufacturing schedule 1st and also review how it performs in real world service before plopping down the money it would cost for even a modest sized order.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 17):
Airbus is in financial trouble.

That is relative

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
Given how Airbus (especially Leahy) incessantly claimed carriers would switch 1:1 from the B744 to the A380, selling a "dozen or so" would certainly be a disappointment or an insult.....

We all agree J777 Leahy is an a.. hole and it wonders me why AB has him not given the boot..........

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
It still falls under "New York - London"...many many pax don't mind if its LGW, LHR, STN..even LTN.....and the fact MaxJet and Eos Airlines are still around (and expanding) shows that there are alternatives to flying LHR....not only that, the fact UA pulled out of the route just goes to show how competitive New York - London route is.....

Right on the money

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 21):
Don't forget, BA, like SQ, has their planes configured in a very low-density way. IF they did get A380s, they would probably put more F and J class seats in, rather than cramming it full of economy seats. So there wouldn't be a huge increase in capacity overall, but on routes where they think they can get more premium traffic, the A380 could work well.

And that is were the bling bling is....

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 27):
If BA order the A380 I think it will be complimented with the B773, not the B748.

Agree 100%

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
And BA's board is huge on Boeing...including BA Chairman Martin Broughton...not to mention, at the end of the day, its the best deal which BA can get which will make the most sense..

Given the large Boeing fleet, I see BA sticking with Boeings for widebody and Airbus for narrowbody....

Friendship stops when money has to be made, BA will buy what makes them the most money, remember A-bus had nothing to offer prior the 380, so the chances are very good that BA will take some (12) 380.... for starters...

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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
My guess though would be on 77W and 748I



Quoting FCKC (Reply 11):
Probably they will order A380s , 777-300ERs , and 787s.

I agree think that the 77W and A380 are probably most likely options, but something in my gut tells me that BA need a 748i more than an A380 or 77W.
- the 748i increases capacity while not overdoing the capacity a la A380
- the A380/ 77W is perhaps not a compelling replacement for the 744s since the 744's capacity is actually needed for many routes, but the A380 will be too big.

I think BA will buy what is best for them, but I would expect some route alterations/ frequency changes perhaps if they opt for the 77W and A380, which would be quite a nice combinations as a long haul fleet, along with A358s or B789s.

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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
From the article: "British Airways currently uses only Boeings but is planning to upgrade its fleet."

That was a really hilarious sentence. It sounds like Boeings are bad airplanes and that you can "upgrade" from a Boeing to an Airbus.

Quoting A342 (Reply 16):
Hm. Let's think about this. He complains about separation issues with the A380, yet he says BA should/could buy a few.

You should read it in the correct context. The separation issue statement was not a complaint about the A380, but a speech where he was trying to say why LHR needs a third runway. In that context, Walsh was trying to prove that LHR will have big problems in the future and "even buying the A380 won't help." He was not speaking to his board concerning whether BA should buy the bird or not.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 31):
I could definitely see them going for some A380's, but not for a few years yet.

Don't worry, the A380 won't be available for a few years anyway.
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:25 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 34):
Don't worry, the A380 won't be available for a few years anyway.

Just to put things into perspective:

If BA would order the A380 today, they would probably not get any airplanes until 2012 because of all the production problems.

From now until 2012, the number of airplane passengers worldwide will have grown by approximately 26 percent (if the current growth continues). The A380 has 33 percent more seats than the 744. The 748 has 12 percent more seats than the 744. So if BA wants to keep their market share, they will have to buy the biggest airplane available.
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:28 am

I think it's either one too.

I suppose they will stick to Boeing for widebodies and Airbus for narrowbodies and will order the B 747-8 to replace their B 747-400s
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting Swissy (Reply 32):
We all agree J777 Leahy is an a..

We "all" agree?

Sorry, I don't agree.

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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:08 pm

Quoting Swissy (Reply 32):
We all agree J777 Leahy is an a.. hole and it wonders me why AB has him not given the boot..........

Are you serious?

Given the utter mess Airbus finds itself in, the fact that they have not only managed to keep most of their A380 and potential A350XWB customers on-side for so long, but also managed to sell a whole lot of aircraft this year, is a monumental testament to the skills and abilites of this man, and the value he brings to Airbus.
And he achieves this whilst the organisation behind him still does its level best to shoot his efforts in the foot.

"Leahy is quiet - wonder what he's up to?".

See above - he's the busiest Exec at Airbus  yes 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:32 pm

Quoting RedChili (Reply 35):
From now until 2012, the number of airplane passengers worldwide will have grown by approximately 26 percent (if the current growth continues). The A380 has 33 percent more seats than the 744. The 748 has 12 percent more seats than the 744. So if BA wants to keep their market share, they will have to buy the biggest airplane available

This is a point that I have tried to make in other previous threads but I was not quite this clear.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
Given the large Boeing fleet, I see BA sticking with Boeings for widebody and Airbus for narrowbody....

The problem with this is it reduces BA's bargaining power should the stick with such a principle long term.
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:39 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 39):

The problem with this is it reduces BA's bargaining power should the stick with such a principle long term.

When BA speaks, Boeing listens....Boeing knows the intrinsic (as well as profit) values of landing a carrier such as BA with a large order.....
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
Given the large Boeing fleet, I see BA sticking with Boeings for widebody and Airbus for narrowbody....

If Boeing introduced a brilliant 737 replacement, and BA said "sorry we're not considering it because our narrowbody fleet is all Airbus" it would be nonsense, similarly their current Boeing widebody fleet can't determine future orders.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 40):
When BA speaks, Boeing listens....Boeing knows the intrinsic (as well as profit) values of landing a carrier such as BA with a large order.....

The large A32xx order shows that Airbus listens too. Both Airbus and Boeing desperately want to win this order!
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:55 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 41):
If Boeing introduced a brilliant 737 replacement, and BA said "sorry we're not considering it because our narrowbody fleet is all Airbus" it would be nonsense, similarly their current Boeing widebody fleet can't determine future orders.

How about being practical. What 737 is Boeing offering that will beat the economics of BA's A32X? None.....

not to mention, I've already stated....

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
...not to mention, at the end of the day, its the best deal which BA can get which will make the most sense..

The fact BA has a very large Boeing crew is something which will be taken into consideration.....as it would cost a lot of money to requalify them to Airbus planes....

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 41):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 40):
When BA speaks, Boeing listens....Boeing knows the intrinsic (as well as profit) values of landing a carrier such as BA with a large order.....

The large A32xx order shows that Airbus listens too. Both Airbus and Boeing desperately want to win this order!

Right now, at least to me, it seems Boeing is offering the family of planes which suits BA, especially given that BA has slots for 10 777's which it retook.....

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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:04 am

I know that T5 at LHR is going to be A380 compatible, but what is the effective limit of the number of A380's that could operate at LHR at any one time due to gate space, passenger processing limitations?
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:41 am

I suppose this is a move to negotiate a better deal with Boeing on the B 748i

Anyway according to Rod Eddington the B 747-400s will stay for another 10 years. Will they get new first/business/economy class seats? And AVOD in Economy?
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 38):
Are you serious?

Sure I am  yes 

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 38):
"Leahy is quiet - wonder what he's up to?".

It is time he is quiet

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 38):
And he achieves this whilst the organisation behind him still does its level best to shoot his efforts in the foot.

If he did not have such an unreasonable mouth...... he probably shot himself in the foot and now he is quiet.... finally

Quoting Mariner (Reply 37):
We "all" agree?

Sorry, I don't agree.

Apologies to all of you which have a different opinion about big "L"

Let me change it to "some of us"  Wink

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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Thread starter):
A glass-is-half-full thread, to counter the other glass-is-half-empty thread

Well, that cute girl down in accounting tells me my chances are "as good as ever"...but I'm not so sure that means the glass is half full.  optimist 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Swissy (Reply 45):
If he did not have such an unreasonable mouth...... he probably shot himself in the foot and now he is quiet.... finally

If you continue raving about Leahy like this, I will put you on my "disrespectful users" list. I just read in Seattle Times that Leahy had heart surgery recently.

Just before he had surgery, he spent three nights on airplanes flying to Australia to keep Qantas happy. He's sacrificing his own health to keep the A380 customers. Now, that's what I call a good salesman!
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 35):
From now until 2012, the number of airplane passengers worldwide will have grown by approximately 26 percent (if the current growth continues). The A380 has 33 percent more seats than the 744. The 748 has 12 percent more seats than the 744. So if BA wants to keep their market share, they will have to buy the biggest airplane available.

That's too simplistic an argument and does not necessarily hold. It rather depends on where the growth is going to come and what segment of the market. So if there is a larger growth in low cost travel or say intra-Asia travel then neither of those are BA's prime markets.

Remember that BA's strategy has been to focus on the higher yielding end of the market; some of that you can grow by changing the mix on your a/c; making a big leap from 744 to an A380 might mean you end up having to discount the back end too much to fill it up, so diluting your yields.

I don't really know what BA are going to end up with (but my guess is that 77W and 787s are going to be in the mix somewhere) but you can't just say overall pax growth forecasts mean BA are going to have to buy the biggest pax a/c out there...
 
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RE: Willie Walsh: A380 Chances 'As Good As Ever'

Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting Swissy (Reply 45):
Sure I am   

And why do you think he is an a**hole? Because he spins the facts to sell airplanes? He's a salesman not a reporter. And he happens to be a pretty good salesman. You don't think that Boeing does the same exact thing? Give me a break.