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QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:54 pm

QF have multiple layouts of 767s, but two "types" in terms of J class.

So my question is: from AKL-SYD, do they use the J class with 5 abreast seating or the J class with 6 abreast and tighter seat pitch?

Thanks.
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):

Is QF the only airline you are limited to? They are some other airlines who have better product in J class and probably at cheaper price
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:27 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
So my question is: from AKL-SYD, do they use the J class with 5 abreast seating or the J class with 6 abreast and tighter seat pitch?

Majority of QF 767's have been refitted into 6 abreast J class. I understand the 6 abreast when on the Tasman offer a portable DVD type situation, as they don't have individual IFE like the 5 abreast (however this was a while back - could be incorrect).

I fly the 6 abreast in J from SYD and MEL to PER nearly every week, and its OK. For the money though, the better experience in J would be on EK.

FYI - Air New Zealand across the Tasman on a 744 or 777 would be a bed product, however food/service is "Tasman Express" and even in J it doesn't really cut it for what you pay.

Just my 0.02.

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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting Onedude (Reply 2):
FYI - Air New Zealand across the Tasman on a 744 or 777 would be a bed product, however food/service is "Tasman Express" and even in J it doesn't really cut it for what you pay.

When travelling in J class on Air NZ's 777 and 747 across the tasman only a few month ago I recieved a full meal service, not the tasman express. It is my understanding Air NZ only have the express service on the A320's and 767's, and that the 747's and 777's have a full international meal service as these flights usually connect to LAX and SFO. Has this changed?
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:27 pm

All business on the trans tasman sectors between nz and aussie on NZ is full business class catering ...Inc full meals and wines etc
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:30 pm

Quoting Onedude (Reply 2):
FYI - Air New Zealand across the Tasman on a 744 or 777 would be a bed product, however food/service is "Tasman Express" and even in J it doesn't really cut it for what you pay.

NZ only fly the 767 & A320 from SYD-AKL at the moment so J would be comparable to QF.

Emirates would be cheaper, but the downside there is they only offer one flight per day.
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:17 pm

Quoting ANstar (Reply 5):
NZ only fly the 767 & A320 from SYD-AKL at the moment so J would be comparable to QF.

You think.. NZ 118 SYD-AKL November 8th!



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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:38 pm

Quoting ANstar (Reply 5):
NZ only fly the 767 & A320 from SYD-AKL at the moment so J would be comparable to QF.

NZ frequently send their B744 and B772ER to MEL/SYD/BNE
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:54 pm

Well the 777/747 is not listed as a regular service on any timetables from SYD-AKL.
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:19 pm

[quote=Ikramerica,reply=0]So my question is: from AKL-SYD, do they use the J class with 5 abreast seating or the J class with 6 abreast and tighter seat pitch?

I took this flight back in June in J class. The plane I was on had the 6 abreast seating, it was the 7am flight so breakfast was served (only ok!) and I watched a movie, which as was mentioned above played on a portable DVD player brought to my seat. The flight was fine, but as I had just transferred from a BKK flight I didn't pay too much attention to the surroundings.
I did come back via EK, and that was fantastic, def. worth having a look at.

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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:23 pm

Quoting ANstar (Reply 8):
Well the 777/747 is not listed as a regular service on any timetables from SYD-AKL.

Saturdays
NZ104
DEP SYD 1200
ARR AKL 1700
744

Sundays
NZ118
DEP SYD 1600
ARR AKL 2100
772
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:45 pm

Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 10):
Saturdays
NZ104
DEP SYD 1200
ARR AKL 1700
744

Sundays
NZ118
DEP SYD 1600
ARR AKL 2100
772

Thanks for that - didn't see the 1 rotation on weekends. Still the bulk of flying isn;t with these birds, so chances of getting those seats mid week would be slim?
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 3):
When travelling in J class on Air NZ's 777 and 747 across the tasman only a few month ago I recieved a full meal service, not the tasman express. It is my understanding Air NZ only have the express service on the A320's and 767's, and that the 747's and 777's have a full international meal service as these flights usually connect to LAX and SFO. Has this changed?

I flew NZ5 LAX/AKL/MEL in July, and I was in Premium Economy in the bubble. The difference in service and food/beverage was extremely notable, and what I saw taken up to the J class seats just a few rows in front of me was not the same as what I had seen previously on the LAX/AKL flight.

If it has changed, for the best. But for Premium Economy, I was pretty cranky after 14 hours through to AKL, to be given a Tasman Express type service.

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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:33 am

I'm glad you guys are having fun talking about another topic or suggesting other, better ways to spend my money  Wink , but the reason I asked specifically was that it was going to be part of an already booked award ticket (read FREE of charge flight). I was going to get to CHC by flying a paid EK F ticket, to see the experience, and CHC to AKL on NZ Y, but returning from AKL, EK wouldn't have gotten me back to SYD in time for an 11:35A flight. And EK would not have been FREE...

Turns out that I'm not allowed to go that direction though and use a free connection (can't cross the Tasman sea twice on the award, even if you pay for one of the legs), and I'm worried that if some delay happens and I miss my SYD-LAX flight, QF won't be required to re-accommodate me, so the point is moot, and I'm thinking of visiting PER instead and saving New Zealand for another trip entirely, taking NZ roundtrip from LAX in a few months.

As for Perth, I can get a J seat on the PER-SYD redeye to connect to QF149 back to LAX (5 hour layover in the F lounge can't be all that bad...). Again, that seat is FREE because I have an F award ticket on QF8/QF149.

Using a CO OnePass Qantas series 1 award, 135,000 miles buys a QF First international award with one free stopover and one free open jaw (on Domestic J if it requires a connecting flight). It even provides for F travel from your city in the USA to LAX. One of the best FF mileage values around. The hard part is finding a seat, but I already did that. I've already booked the longhaul, and adding the PER segment would be a free flight beyond a $35 change fee.

I'll probably be going to Darwin before PER to shoot a music video, which would be a paid for ticket by the producer. So all I have to buy is the Darwin-Perth segment. I'll likely do JetConnect on the 717 and stop in Alice Springs. The non-stop doesn't fit my schedule, and all other options on QF or other airlines seem to take you back east/south to connect.

PER-SYD redeye is on the 743, so I hope I can get a seat upstairs. I haven't been upstairs on a 747 since I was a kid and AA had a lounge up there in the 1970s. Fell asleep up there a couple of times...
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:32 pm

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 3):
It is my understanding Air NZ only have the express service on the A320's and 767's, and that the 747's and 777's have a full international meal service as these flights usually connect to LAX and SFO. Has this changed?

I have travelled NZ B777 MEL-AKL and I assure you it was a distinctly express(o?) service suited only to ascetics - has it been upgraded recently? NZ's B777 is very nice, but not in the same class as an EK flight, providing full international standard cuisine, along with ICE. But EK does not compete with NZ and QF on frequency. If the one EK service a day suits - and you can get a seat, it's a slam dunk.
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:13 pm

Quoting Antskip (Reply 14):
Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 3):It is my understanding Air NZ only have the express service on the A320's and 767's, and that the 747's and 777's have a full international meal service as these flights usually connect to LAX and SFO. Has this changed?
I have travelled NZ B777 MEL-AKL and I assure you it was a distinctly express(o?) service suited only to ascetics - has it been upgraded recently? NZ's B777 is very nice, but not in the same class as an EK flight, providing full international standard cuisine, along with ICE. But EK does not compete with NZ and QF on frequency. If the one EK service a day suits - and you can get a seat, it's a slam dunk

The tasman cafe meal/snack service is on all aircraft operating from NZ to Australia excluding Perth in economy ..Business class service is also available on these flights and service and meals are the same/similar to the long haul flights..
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:38 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):

If your Flying SYD-DRW QF use it A333 on this route which is configured for interational flights. This service operates 3x a week
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:08 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
So my question is: from AKL-SYD, do they use the J class with 5 abreast seating or the J class with 6 abreast and tighter seat pitch?

They use both

Quoting Onedude (Reply 2):
I understand the 6 abreast when on the Tasman offer a portable DVD type situation, as they don't have individual IFE like the 5 abreast

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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting Eoinnz (Reply 17):

On the PERTH-MEL redeye, does anyone know if the 767 is the 6J or 5J configuration?

Turns out that the delay caused by my friend needing "2 more minutes" to check email before we could confirm my plans (which turned out to be 90 minutes) means I missed the last available award seat on the 743 PER-SYD.

So I'm booked PER-MEL-SYD-LAX instead. No real difference other than I don't get to fly upstairs on the 743.  Sad

Going to PER I'm on the 743, but I'm in Y since no J award was available, but my ticket qualifies for J. How nice are QF folks if I explain day of that they couldn't put me in J and I really want to fly upstairs? You think they'd possibly upgrade if the seat is available? Would they let me pay the difference (I think it's $400, and I was expecting to have to pay $400 for a one-way SYD-PER anyway, so the free ticket is just a bonus). Is the SYD-PER 743 flight on a Monday morning usually completely full in J class?

And what are the best 743 Y seats to sit in?

Thanks for any and all answers. And if you want to continue to debate the Trans-tasman flights, feel free. I plan on doing that in the future, so it's good to hear all the options.
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:57 am

QF has 2 main types of 763... RR powered and GE powered.
The RR birds are ex-BA and have 4 doors on each side.
The GE birds are standard 763 layout with 2 doors each side and 2 emergency exits on each side.

As for configuration there are several different configs depending on the aircraft. There is a Tasman configured a/c, domestic configured and intl configured.
The Tasman flights do however not just have tasman configured a/c.
Some flights have 5 across Jclass and some have 6 across.
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:11 pm

Quoting Onedude (Reply 2):
I fly the 6 abreast in J from SYD and MEL to PER nearly every week, and its OK. For the money though, the better experience in J would be on EK.

FYI - Air New Zealand across the Tasman on a 744 or 777 would be a bed product, however food/service is "Tasman Express" and even in J it doesn't really cut it for what you pay.

YAY!!! another convert! Yess!!! EK are providing the service that our Tasman carriers have dumped, an put us all in the "domestic run" box!

Shame on QF and ANZ !

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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
On the PERTH-MEL redeye, does anyone know if the 767 is the 6J or 5J configuration?

I fly this route frequently, and it is the 6J abreast.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
Going to PER I'm on the 743, but I'm in Y since no J award was available, but my ticket qualifies for J. How nice are QF folks if I explain day of that they couldn't put me in J and I really want to fly upstairs? You think they'd possibly upgrade if the seat is available? Would they let me pay the difference (I think it's $400, and I was expecting to have to pay $400 for a one-way SYD-PER anyway, so the free ticket is just a bonus).



Yes, you could actually do this now by calling Qantas reservations and they will confirm J and reissue your ticket if you are willing to fork out the cash. If not, allow at least 90-180 minutes at the airport prior to go to the ticket counter, purchase a seat, if one is available. Be careful that Platinum, Gold, and Qantas Club members are allowed to request points on departure upgrades to business from 3 hours prior to flight departure on the day.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
Is the SYD-PER 743 flight on a Monday morning usually completely full in J class?

Quite frequently, it is a busy day and a popular flight.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
And what are the best 743 Y seats to sit in?

Personally I think anything except row 15 in the bubble (exit row and quite cramped on the window seats) and row 1 in the main deck - quite cramped and close together. Personally I like row 5 in the main deck centre - you get your own closet for storage and no seats in front of you.

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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:31 pm

Quoting Onedude (Reply 21):
onedude

thanks!! I may have to give QF a call and see what they say about upgrading.

One last question:

My return flight is PER-MEL-SYD in J because the last J award disappeared before I could book it on PER-SYD (both red-eyes). On a Wednesday night, is the 743 redeye to SYD usually full in J? If I arrived at the airport early and seats are still available, do you think there's a chance they would switch me from the PER-MEL-SYD flight to the PER-SYD flight since the fares are the same?
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:21 pm

When are you travelling mate? I've got a fair few Tasmans and the occasional PER-MEL on my roster.
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:51 am

PER-MEL Dec6-7th red-eye. Will be in J cabin, unless I can somehow sneak onto the PER-SYD red-eye direct that night.
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
My return flight is PER-MEL-SYD in J because the last J award disappeared before I could book it on PER-SYD (both red-eyes). On a Wednesday night, is the 743 redeye to SYD usually full in J? If I arrived at the airport early and seats are still available, do you think there's a chance they would switch me from the PER-MEL-SYD flight to the PER-SYD flight since the fares are the same?

This is unfortunately like saying "how long is a piece of string". It could happen but it purely depends on who you get at the airport. Good luck!

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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:44 am

Quoting Onedude (Reply 25):
This is unfortunately like saying "how long is a piece of string". It could happen but it purely depends on who you get at the airport. Good luck!

7cm.

Seriously, I assumed it was a matter of luck of the draw, but was wondering if QF had a policy of not doing such things, or if anyone had experience with them doing such a thing personally.
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:15 am

Sorry, I do the PER-MEL red-eye a few nights earlier!
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:12 pm

Do you ever do the MEL-SYD shuttle? I'm on the 6AM Dec 7th. Do you know if they serve any food on that in J class in the morning?
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
On the PERTH-MEL redeye, does anyone know if the 767 is the 6J or 5J configuration?

Man you were like just a few days out from the PER-MEL redeye downgrading from a 743!!
As for the 763s, it could be either config, but i'd say it's most likely going to be a 6 across.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
How nice are QF folks if I explain day of that they couldn't put me in J and I really want to fly upstairs? You think they'd possibly upgrade if the seat is available? Would they let me pay the difference (I think it's $400, and I was expecting to have to pay $400 for a one-way SYD-PER anyway, so the free ticket is just a bonus). Is the SYD-PER 743 flight on a Monday morning usually completely full in J class?

Sorry mate, but you're dreaming!! QF has a very strict policy of NO upgrades! And believe me, they stick to it! Award seats are also one of the lowest priorities (can even be downgraded if J class is oversold).
As for the morning flights, it's worth having a look, but PER-SYD/MEL is generally full.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
On a Wednesday night, is the 743 redeye to SYD usually full in J? If I arrived at the airport early and seats are still available, do you think there's a chance they would switch me from the PER-MEL-SYD flight to the PER-SYD flight since the fares are the same?

There's no harm in trying I supposed, but again, I highly doubt it would happen. Given that you are on an award booking, and that you are getting to your final destination, there's no 'need' to change you as far as QF are concerned.
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:29 am

Isn't there also a more comfortable QF service on a 744 AKL-SYD?
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:57 pm

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 30):
Isn't there also a more comfortable QF service on a 744 AKL-SYD?

No, not regularly anymore though sometimes the 743/744 do appear on AKL-SYD if loads are high or a 763 goes U/S.

As others said earlier all QF 763's appear in AKL though a specific few aircraft visit more often just simply rotating SYD-AKL-SYD-AKL etc for a few days/weeks.
 
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RE: QF Experts: 767s AKL-SYD

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:44 am

Gday mate,

As many have mentioned we have a few layouts...
These are how they are classified..
Domestic Config;
which have the millineum seats installed (6 across)
International Config;
Which hae the dreamtime seats (5 across)

As i operate across the tasman alot, i usually find these flights have the Dreamtime seats.
QF164 and QF189

As someone has stated already, the aircrafts that operate these trips usually only operate tasman.

If you re flying Domestic, you will have a domestic config aircraft unless substituted.

Ofcourse we cant comepete with EK product (Its a carry on of an international flight number) but we can compete in Flight attendant service/Friendliness...

Enjoyyour flights... Just got my new roster and i also miss you on the PER red-eye by 3 days.

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