ludavid777
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CO New International Destinations

Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:42 pm

This question is to all the CO insiders. Besides awaiting word on the new EWR-PVG from the DOT... does CO have any other new international destinations on the agenda for 2007. By this time last year they had already announced their 2006 expansion plans... and DL, UA and NW have already announced theirs for 2007.

Also, does anyone know when the DOT will award the new China slot??
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:52 pm

This is a pretty strong rumor. I actually heard it from someone whom I consider pretty reliable......Athens, Greece.
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 1):
This is a pretty strong rumor. I actually heard it from someone whom I consider pretty reliable......Athens, Greece.

I dont think so. Athens is like Sydney. You can fill coach but its real hard to fill up that premium cabin....
Anyway, Think more along the line of a few more 757 routes and added frequencies on the 757 to some cities.
Nice.
Newcastle.
Helsinki
etc...

What I'm really wondering is what will happen if we dont get the PVG route...
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:03 pm

I think ORD-ATH would do very well. Chicagoland (especially the north) has a very large Greek population....

I think a carrier such as UA or AA could do well offering seasonal services to ATH....

cheers...
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:16 pm

Quoting CAL (Reply 2):
Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 1):
This is a pretty strong rumor. I actually heard it from someone whom I consider pretty reliable......Athens, Greece.

I dont think so. Athens is like Sydney. You can fill coach but its real hard to fill up that premium cabin....
Anyway, Think more along the line of a few more 757 routes and added frequencies on the 757 to some cities.
Nice.
Newcastle.
Helsinki
etc...

What I'm really wondering is what will happen if we dont get the PVG route...

We will get athens if we do not get pvg. If we do get pvg we will get athens in 2010
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:51 pm

One very surprising route from EWR soon guys, my good friend told me its almost official.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:03 am

I remember there being talk of Continental looking at flying into AGP, PMI, and VLC which would all be very surprising.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:15 am

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 5):
One very surprising route from EWR soon guys, my good friend told me its almost official.

So, naturally, your good friend, who, apparently, is way up in management, happened to spill their guts to you, someone who is not in the industry, about a "very surprising route from EWR" that will be made official.

I find this hard to digest. Sh**, I work for the company and I will always be the last to know, the news will know before the employees do. I can speculate till I turn blue in the face, but that type of information tends not to be "leaked" for competitive reasons.

Should you be right, great. Should you not be, no love lost. But I have seen, time and time again, this type of 'heard it from a my best friend's cousin's sister's boss who overheard it at Starbuck's while listening to his iPod' speculation. It never ceases to amaze me.

Sorry for the venting.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:25 am

talking about CO intl routes , how is CLO doing?
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7):
So, naturally, your good friend, who, apparently, is way up in management, happened to spill their guts to you, someone who is not in the industry, about a "very surprising route from EWR" that will be made official.

I find this hard to digest. Sh**, I work for the company and I will always be the last to know, the news will know before the employees do.

Easy there killer take a chill pill, I never once on this forum made statements about future routes etc., but this one I was lucky enough to hear from an insider and was confirmed by the airport execs on the other side. You are free to believe it or not, just don't try to call me a BS artist because I'm not. Not fair. Look for it to be with a 767 also when the a/c is available, which is the biggest hold up in this case.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:09 am

Quoting Ludavid777 (Thread starter):
Besides awaiting word on the new EWR-PVG from the DOT

Despite your optimism and the silly link yesterday about the pilot's union, AA is still the front runner for the China authority this year. DOT to make decision in December.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 3):
I think ORD-ATH would do very well. Chicagoland (especially the north) has a very large Greek population....

I think a carrier such as UA or AA could do well offering seasonal services to ATH....

cheers...

This thread is about CO, not AA or UA new service.  confused 
ATH is extremely costly to land at, it wouldn't be profitable for either carrier with their codeshares flying there already.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7):
I will always be the last to know,

The cabin and flight crews are usually the last to know.  Sad  yes 
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:12 am

I'd like something to the French province, like LYS or MRS ... even NCE against DL could be viable. Galloping from CDG to ORY for domestic connections is a nightmare and DL's service to NCE is absolutely horrible (crap airplane, crap food, crap service ... unless one can afford BusinessElite, but I cannot and would prefer an airline that would treat me like a human being in coach, CO still does).
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 9):
Easy there killer take a chill pill, I never once on this forum made statements about future routes etc., but this one I was lucky enough to hear from an insider and was confirmed by the airport execs on the other side. You are free to believe it or not, just don't try to call me a BS artist because I'm not. Not fair. Look for it to be with a 767 also when the a/c is available, which is the biggest hold up in this case.

Sorry for jumping the gun, but if you are not a BS artist (and it was confirmed by the airport execs on the other side) what is the route or are you sworn to secrecy and might be killed for knowing?  Wink

Seriously, if the airport execs have confirmed it, then let us in...
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:18 am

In this poker game, CO is keeping all cards close to their chest. Announcements will be made much later than in the past.
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):
The cabin and flight crews are usually the last to know

Usually, my a**...try ALWAYS.  Big grin

But I do keep my ear to the rail and head up for news. It's all I can do.

Quoting CO767FA (Reply 13):
In this poker game, CO is keeping all cards close to their chest. Announcements will be made much later than in the past.

B-I-N-G-O!!!
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12):
Sorry for jumping the gun, but if you are not a BS artist (and it was confirmed by the airport execs on the other side) what is the route or are you sworn to secrecy and might be killed for knowing?

LOL! I hope not, but I would have to keep my word and don't say nothing here, since that would be unfair to my source who is an anet member. But hey you will know soon pending a/c availability.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:34 am

Quoting Danimarroquin (Reply 8):



Quoting Danimarroquin (Reply 8):
talking about CO intl routes , how is CLO doing?

Durig this month, they had loads of 20-45 pax, and operating only 3 days a week.
On DEC they will operate only 4 flights a week, so bad, not a profitable route.
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):
Despite your optimism and the silly link yesterday about the pilot's union, AA is still the front runner for the China authority this year. DOT to make decision in December.



Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):
This thread is about CO, not AA or UA new service.
ATH is extremely costly to land at, it wouldn't be profitable for either carrier with their codeshares flying there already.

Um...isn't this an example of the pot (you) calling the kettle black (LuDavid777)? No one knows who is going to get the route, it is still a crap shoot; check the odds in Vegas, maybe they have a hunch.
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 6):
I remember there being talk of Continental looking at flying into AGP, PMI, and VLC which would all be very surprising.

Hope they're talking about BIO, MRS, TRN, NAP too. PMI would be a long shoot like SCQ, TFS or LPA.
In Southamerica, I wish they would consider GEO, SSA, CNF from EWR and COR from IAH..
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):
This thread is about CO, not AA or UA new service.  confused 

When was the last time an A.net thread ever stuck with the original topic?
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:06 am

This is probably "way out there", but a friend in CO management mentioned IST and NBO as surprise next picks.

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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
In Southamerica, I wish they would consider GEO, SSA, CNF from EWR and COR from IAH..

The problem with these cities is because most(1) of South America is not uder a open skies agreement, the is the governments limits the number of flight in/out by the US carriers. so to fly to SSA or CNF they would have to drop a flight to Rio. And I am not sure but they could also limit the cities they can fly to.

1) From: http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/othr/2006/22281.htm
US has open skies with Chile, Peru, and Uruguay.

Edit: Add Open skies Note
Edit: Grammer
[Edited 2006-11-15 19:36:08]

[Edited 2006-11-15 19:44:26]
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 20):
CO management mentioned IST

There was thread about a US major flying to SAW, Istanbul's 2nd airport. This could be it? Again it has to be a 767 or 777. TK flies ORD-IST 4xweekly, JFK-IST 7-8xweekly, Delta flies JFK-IST daily in summer/ 3-4xweekly in winter. So this could be a "summer only" route or a Delta killer, since TK is not going anywhere and offer a better service and schedule. Things will change when 787 arrives.
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting Ti717 (Reply 21):
The problem with these is because it is not open skies in most (all?) of South America, the is the governments limits the number of flight in/out by the US carriers. so to fly to SSA or CNF they would have to drop a flight to Rio. And I am not sure but they could also limit the cities they can fly to.

Usually the U.S.-Brazil iron-clad bilateral allows U.S. Airlines to fly tag-on, for example: tag a GRU-CNF onto an existing MIA-GRU, but I'm not sure if it could work the other way around like MIA-CNF-GRU or JFK-SSA-GIG.
When it comes to Argentina, I would expect no big hassle for an U.S. airline wishing to stop in COR enroute to/fr EZE. What I'm sure is that a SSA, CNF or COR stop will sure bother many GIG, GRU and EZE passenger respectively.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:56 am

No one is talking about IAH. I feel like speculating.

There are still a few Mexican cities that could be added from IAH. Simply looking at the CO codeshare cities on the route map: Culiacan, Hermosillo, Campeche, Tijuana, Mexicali, Guerro Negro, Loreto, La Paz, Los Mochis, Ciudad Obregon, Ciudad Juarez, Piedra Negras, Poza Rica, and Tapachula. These are all decent sized cities that could see the occasional ERJ.

Perhaps some caribbean expansion. Since IAH-BON seems very successful, why not try a weekly IAH-CUR flight like CO has from EWR? A couple weekly flights to SXM might work as well. If CO does not get PVG, that would be a good opportunity to expand in deep South America. Uprade either IAH-GRU-GIG or IAH-EZE to a 772, switch IAH-EZE to a 764 and put a 762 on IAH-SCL which is a big gap in their Latin American operations...
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:26 am

IAH - MAR could do very well, regardless of the current Venezuelan government.
There's this city, DAV, in western Panama which serves an area which is undergoing a tourism boom and it's attracting lots of Americans looking to retire. I'm not sure if that destination could be on CO new destination study list, but sure it'll have to be a ERJ 3h30 flight from IAH. CM seems very uninterested to include it on their network.
Now that JM seem to be very close to its last days, IAH-KIN and CLE-MBJ might be interesting routes.
About a red-eyed IAH-SDQ, I'm not sure if it'll work; IAH-SXM twice weekly might do better.
I think it's time for CM and/or CO to study AQP in Perú and a possible CO return to VVI.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:33 am

Hey everybody, what happened with EWR - CCS ? Last year this route was been operated 4 weekly during high season and after the bridge went down in Caracas CO didn't resume it. Also, during low season they were running this route only one weekly. I guess they had poor loads, but is there any chance for this route to be restarted?
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:53 am

Out of EWR I am sure we will soon see....


AGP
HEL

another city in Germany
a new city in France
maybe another city in the UK

I am curious about PVG. A Chinese carrier is beginning JFK-PVG. I wonder if the DOT would be comfortable allowing a Chinese carrier to have a total monopoly in such an important market. Yes, DFW is a new market and a new region for China service, but EWR makes more sense from a commercial perspective. No comparison.

I think the Canary Islands and KEF are interesting markets for CO out of EWR, but I am not that sure they are viable.
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 18):
Hope they're talking about BIO, MRS, TRN, NAP too. PMI would be a long shoot like SCQ, TFS or LPA.
In Southamerica, I wish they would consider GEO, SSA, CNF from EWR and COR from IAH..

CO already flew EWR-Rio De Janeiro-Belo Horizonte with a DC-10.

Some of my own ideas for new CO International service.

Houston-
St.Maarten (seasonal), St.Thomas (seasonal), Maracaibo, Medellin, Santiago Chile, Frankfurt, Madrid.

Newark-
Marseilles, Nice, Toulouse, Nantes, Lyon, Bordeaux, Basel, Newcastle, Aberdeen, Cardiff, Stuttgart, Munich, Prague, Helsinki, Athens, Buenos Aires.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:58 am

I think they should go for Helskiki with the 757.
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:59 am

What ever happened with the possibility of adding MDE to the IAH-CLO route? - either a triangle, or simply an extension?
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:31 am

there is rumour about new cities in France since a long time, i hope it will happen in 2007 at least for Lyon !
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 5):
One very surprising route from EWR soon guys, my good friend told me its almost official.

SCL? Everyones been talking about the EU but why not go South America? Its a 767 flight and would be a shock.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting Cessna057 (Reply 32):

SCL? Everyones been talking about the EU but why not go South America? Its a 767 flight and would be a shock.

I think this is a small market though.

For example I think Moscow will come online before SCL! A much bigger market that is not well served from the USA
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:38 am

Does anybody know how the EWR-BFS route is doing? just curious if it is holding it's own or if it would be pulled once the grant money is gone?
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 34):
Does anybody know how the EWR-BFS route is doing

I flew it back in August and it was packed - however, I know this doesn't mean it was profitable.
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 24):
There are still a few Mexican cities that could be added from IAH. Simply looking at the CO codeshare cities on the route map: Culiacan, Hermosillo, Campeche, Tijuana, Mexicali, Guerro Negro, Loreto, La Paz, Los Mochis, Ciudad Obregon, Ciudad Juarez, Piedra Negras, Poza Rica, and Tapachula. These are all decent sized cities that could see the occasional ERJ.


and Chetumal too.....this one would definitely work.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:17 am

Shanghai is the one and only priority. How many more places can CAL fly a 757 to in Europe ? FEW, CAL has discovered all the holes that needed to be filled. Soon they will run out of 757 to fly to Europe with.
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 37):
Shanghai is the one and only priority. How many more places can CAL fly a 757 to in Europe ? FEW, CAL has discovered all the holes that needed to be filled. Soon they will run out of 757 to fly to Europe with.

what about replacing current 767/777 operations with 752 and expanding further with the 767/777 to places like IST/SVO/ATH/VIE?
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:29 am

we've already run out of 757s for the domestic/latin flights!!!
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 37):
Soon they will run out of 757 to fly to Europe with.

We have 41 752s. Not running out anytime soon.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:42 am

ATH fills up BE for DL and mostly UNDISCOUNTED TIX.
CAL, may I ask how you came up with the statement that ATH doesn't fill up in the premium cabins??
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:50 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):
Despite your optimism and the silly link yesterday about the pilot's union, AA is still the front runner for the China authority this year. DOT to make decision in December.

Based on fact or your own personal opinion? All logic indicates that CO should win this award hands down. While AA may be proposing to open up a new city and area of the country to China service, the benefits of EWR-PVG service cannot and should not be overlooked.

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 27):
I am curious about PVG. A Chinese carrier is beginning JFK-PVG. I wonder if the DOT would be comfortable allowing a Chinese carrier to have a total monopoly in such an important market. Yes, DFW is a new market and a new region for China service, but EWR makes more sense from a commercial perspective. No comparison.

 checkmark 

Absolutely! If logic were to prevail at the DOT (which is not necessarily always the case) CO should win this hands down. While true that MU will begin JFK-PVG service shortly, it would be a huge mistake for the DOT to allow a chinese carrier a monopoly in such an important market.
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:51 am

absolutely.................we should win it.

I mean, how many Chinese cowboys do you know????!!!!
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:39 am

I'm guessing Belgrade, Kiev, and SVO.

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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:10 am

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 5):
One very surprising route from EWR soon guys, my good friend told me its almost official.

I'm still saying Athens!
 
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:28 pm

Where did this AA as the front runner for PVG come from? The fact is, as of right now, unless you're an upper level DOT administrator, everything is simply conjecture. And to mascarade with a voice of authority is preposterous. I personally think (read: an opinion) CO and UA have the strongest arguments (especially now that MU has announced JFK service, as was previously stated, the DOT isn't going to be too happy with a chinese monopoly on service between the two business capitals) (and the obvious political links between the two government capitals). I would personally think DFW has a very weak argument, because the only new markets it opens up that don't already see one connection PVG service are backwater Texas towns..

As for CO Euro expansion, I think CO would be wise to get back into LYS before DL decides to re-enter the market. It might not have been viable with a 762, but with a 757 it should do just fine. It is France's second most important financial center (behind guess where) and filling up the front of the plane shouldnt be too much of a problem. Also, come winter time, LYS is close to many Alpine destinations (perhaps not as close as GVA, but not a considerable distance farther) and American Skibucks do wonders for route profitability...
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 46):
As for CO Euro expansion, I think CO would be wise to get back into LYS before DL decides to re-enter the market.

Agreed.

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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 45):
I'm still saying Athens!

You are VERY close but no cigar Wink
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RE: CO New International Destinations

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 46):
I think CO would be wise to get back into LYS

Is Lyons close enough (about 90 km) that its traffic could move through Geneva?

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