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Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:35 pm

A Boeing 777 is heading for the breaker’s yard for the first time, just 11 years after the twinjet first entered service.

Memphis-based Universal Asset Management says it has acquired a General Electric GE90-90B-powered 777-200 (MSN 27109) - the nineteenth aircraft off the line - for disassembly...


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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:18 pm

I think it was this one on which I flew LIS-GRU last year. Strange idea.... Especially since the aircraft wasn't old at all, and there are much older aircraft still flying happily! But somebody must have added things up and come to this conclusion, no doubt.
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:30 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 2):
Especially since the aircraft wasn't old at all, and there are much older aircraft still flying happily

Maybe it's most valuable parts have still enough time on them to have a big enough value for the second hand market.
They'll probably make some good money taking it apart and sell everything separately.

In the end it all comes down to money, still sad to see such a beautifull and still usefull plane go.
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:34 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Memphis-based Universal Asset Management says it has acquired a General Electric GE90-90B-powered 777-200 (MSN 27109) - the nineteenth aircraft off the line - for disassembly...

They must be wrong about the engines, this aircraft is an A market aircraft and would have been powered by GE90-76B engines. I suspect that these early A-market aircraft are difficult to resell as they would be difficult for most airlines to easily integrate into an existing 777 fleet.
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:40 pm

We have DC-8's,MD-80's (Mad dogs),MD-11's,B732's flying in our skys today and a 11 year old B772 is heading for the recyclying bin???

 Sad  Yeah sure  Confused  Confused  Sad  Yeah sure

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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:08 pm

That's hard to take, but on the other hand it is a reasonable choice.
This 772 has been sitting in a bad condition since it was WFU by Varig some months ago, I think some Brazilian members could confirm this. Some parts were already taken out of it and probably it would be more expensive to put it back in service than the value of its components on the second hand market. Also, it is a 11-year-old non-ER model, who could possibly buy it and fix it? Given all that it must not be a very attractive plane as of now, which is sad to say about a 777 anyway.  Sad
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Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:08 pm

Really nice bird.. Sorry to se it go.  Sad
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:47 pm

This frame has spent much of its time stored since it left British Airways, its original operator. Can't have that many hours/cycles?

Surely these A-market aircraft are prime candidates for freighter conversion should somebody launch a programme?
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:51 pm

This is an ex-BA bird. One of only three GE 77As ever produced. Undoubtably the least desirable of all the 777/engine combinations. AFAIK It has GE90-76Bs too, not -90Bs.
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:52 pm

I am sure it made economic sense. Nevertheless its surprising to see an A/C stripped after only 11 years.

This A/C was registered PP-VRD with Varig.

I wonder whats happening with sister ship PP-VRC which was in pretty much the same configuration & condition.
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:56 pm

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 8):
Surely these A-market aircraft are prime candidates for freighter conversion should somebody launch a programme?

Actually the A markets are the least likely candidates for frieghter conversion due to their very low payload capabilities. This particular aircraft has a MTOW of 247 tonnes, the actual frieghters offered by Boeing can lift nearly 100 tonnes more!
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:57 pm

What does 'A-Market' mean?
 
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Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:05 pm

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 11):
Actually the A markets are the least likely candidates for frieghter conversion due to their very low payload capabilities. This particular aircraft has a MTOW of 247 tonnes, the actual frieghters offered by Boeing can lift nearly 100 tonnes more!

Yeah, but a package carrier could still use it.

The main reason why this A/C is being stripped down is the bad condition it is in. The ecomomics of putting it back in service must have been high to a point, where it was just more beneficial to strip it down. Its the same reason why after an accident cars get totaled, even when they can be repaired and put back into service.
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:16 pm

Quoting Manny (Reply 13):
The main reason why this A/C is being stripped down is the bad condition it is in.

It's not quite a write off like you imply. It's probably due a D-check - which is expensive no matter what the conditions are in. There's a lot of money in spare parts, so they've probably concluded that the money which could be made from scrapping it, is worth more than its value as an airliner minus the cost of a D-check.

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Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:21 pm

Does anyone else even operate an A-Market GE90 T7?
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Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:27 pm

To confirm, has this aircraft already flown to the US or is still in Brazil? How many RG 777's are left in Brazil?
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Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 15):

BA operates three of them.
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:43 pm

I was thinking actually when the two ex-Varig 777-236 were ferried to the desert a few weeks ago wether Boeing might snap one to break it up to check fatigue as they did in the late 80s with the first 747 broken up (an high-cycle ex-JAL 747-SR).
But this is really a surprise. 11 years is nothing, especially if taken into account that this aircraft has spend more than 1 1/2 years in storage inbetween already, so actually flying for just about 9 (!) years. Thats a massive depreciation the owner suffered on this bird.
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:45 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Very sad to learn this,
the outside of this B777 aircraft looks in good shape, so it does seem odd that it is being broken up, especially after less than 11 years in active airline service.
However i would think that it being a non ER model, the used market is not so strong hence it is more economical to strip the frame of useful parts.
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 14):
Does anyone else even operate an A-Market GE90 T7?

I believe China Southern also ops GE90 powered 772As


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Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting Manny (Reply 12):
The main reason why this A/C is being stripped down is the bad condition it is in

I have noticed it has been mentioned before that a few of Varig 777s are in bad shape. How come they some these birds are in such shape?
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:55 pm

It wouldn't surprise me. If no customer wants it, then its better to bust it and sell off the parts for other a/c.

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Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:00 pm

It must have been in very poor condition and required a lot of repair/overhaul work to go to the boneyard.
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting GWYIRE (Reply 11):
What does 'A-Market' mean?

When Boeing first started the 777 project in the late 80s, they collaborated with airlines as to what form the 777 should take. After consulting many airlines, Boeing identified 3 markets in which the 777 should compete:

A-Market: 325 passengers, 4500-6000 nm range
B-Market: 300 passengers, 6000-7500 nm range
C-Market: 275 passengers, 7500-9000 nm range

The first 777 model was the 777-200 which was intended to fill the "A-Market" niche. Thus, many people say 772A to distinguish between any other type of 772.

Subsequently, Boeing developed the 772ER (B-market) and the 772LR (C-market) variants.
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Raggi (Reply 19):
I believe China Southern also ops GE90 powered 772As

Indeed they do.

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Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:16 pm

Oh and for some irony: not a single 777 hull has been lost in accident yet either. This really is the first 777 being permanently removed from revenue service.
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:17 pm

This is really surprising, OK - it's non-ER and Varig has left it somewhat thrashed, but it is still a T7. I can't believe nobody is buying it to fly it.
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:50 pm

Quoting VivaGunners (Reply 5):
This 772 has been sitting in a bad condition since it was WFU by Varig some months ago, I think some Brazilian members could confirm this

For sure this bird (PP-VRD) and it's twin brother (PP-VRC) are in very bad condition since they have been added to RG fleet. Varig tried to improve them but the owner never accepted (so strange!).
Some reports says at least 40% of the seats without PTV, 20% broken, bad configuration (20F 72C 144Y), but nowadays i believe they could be fixed and run a lot of routes, including US-Brazil.

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 15):
To confirm, has this aircraft already flown to the US or is still in Brazil? How many RG 777's are left in Brazil?

I don't know about the first question you made, but concerning to the second one:

PP-VRB - 777-200ER - Waiting for 2 new GE90B engines - Goes to AeroMexico
PP-VRF - 777-200ER - Waiting for 2 new PW4090 engines - Seems that TAM is looking for this bird.
PP-VRI and PP-VRJ - 777-200A (non-ER), minor damages on PTV and seats, engines in good condition (except for 1 on PP-VRI IIRC )

And also one 772ER at JFK facilities.

Very sad to see a 772 so young broken-up! We could begin an Airlines.Net Airlines with this bird  Smile

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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:58 pm

I think it's likely most of the parts on the plane will NOT be melted down. Expect most of them to be sold off for spare parts to be bought by other airlines.
 
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:00 am

Too bad it wasn't PW powered,UA might want it for Hawaii - West Coast flights.
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:04 am

I'm surprised PP-VRE isn't being broken up, she's in pretty bad shape at JFK.
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:13 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 30):
I'm surprised PP-VRE isn't being broken up, she's in pretty bad shape at JFK.

Yes she is. She might be on the chopping block soon if a buyer isn't sorted out within a few months. She can't be parked next to the AA hangar forever!

As sad as it is to break up an airplane for parts, people on here seem to get too upset over it. Airplanes and airlines are businesses, and decisions involving large sums of money (i.e., an airplane) rarely involve any emotion.
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:40 am

If there would be a better market for used Trip's, I guess IAI or Boeing would have picked it up to produce a prototype of a converted freighter.
Maybe in another 5 years from now....

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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 31):
Airplanes and airlines are businesses, and decisions involving large sums of money (i.e., an airplane) rarely involve any emotion.

Indeed, otherwise, they would not send thousands of loyal employees at the dumpster either...
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 30):
I'm surprised PP-VRE isn't being broken up, she's in pretty bad shape at JFK.

It's an ER frame, for such bird probably always people know the solution (fix).

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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Ti

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):
For sure this bird (PP-VRD) and it's twin brother (PP-VRC) are in very bad condition since they have been added to RG fleet. Varig tried to improve them but the owner never accepted (so strange!).
Some reports says at least 40% of the seats without PTV, 20% broken, bad configuration (20F 72C 144Y), but nowadays i believe they could be fixed and run a lot of routes, including US-Brazil.

Thanks for the info.
I agree with you that it's a shame to see this T7 being parted out, one thinks she could still fly a lot, but of course it's all about economy.
Do you now if Boeing is/was the owner? Or was it a leasing company? I find it stange too how RG were not allowed to improve the planes...
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:04 am

That photo at the top by Stephan Klos Pugatch is great! too the plane will be gone soon  sigh 

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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:31 am

I've flown this aircraft (VRD) many times and it was the worst aircraft in Varig's fleet.

One of the rides I took was JFK-GIG and I was horrible! My J class seat was completely broken, no reading lights, no sound system, no entertainment system, and the seat structure was destroyed as well. It was not holding in the up right position and the recline buttons were not working. I complained a lot about my seat and was assigned to another seat, but 30 minutes after take off the aircraft suffered an electrical problem and the whole J cabin was powerless, but the went on until we arrive in GIG.

The last time I flew on she was last April, from GIG to GRU, again in J class and again with thousands of problems in the seats, sound system and others, at least this time was only a 35 minutes flight!

It is good to see this piece of crap going to the breaker's yard, at least nobody will have terrible flights as I had and it will serve better as spare parts and as pans!
 
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:02 am

The bird has had a turbulent history...


Delivered to British Airways in January 1996 as G-ZZZE.


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After 24263 hours and 5170 cycles with BA it was sold to Boeing in June 2002 and stored for several months as N703BA. In December 2002 it was prepared for entering service with Khalifa Airways (along with its sistership N702BA).


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In January 2003 it became clear Khalifa would not operate the aircraft (temporarily registered 7T-VKQ) and it was wet-leased to Air Algerie for one month. Though it never operated scheduled services.

Boeing took the aircraft back in February and it was stored again for several months.


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Only two years and three months later PP-VRD was removed from service in April 2006, stored and returned to Boeing in August.


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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):
bad configuration (20F 72C 144Y),

Hence me sitting in a C seat paying €600 round trip LIS-GRU Big grin
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting Jrosa (Reply 38):
It is good to see this piece of crap going to the breaker's yard, at least nobody will have terrible flights as I had and it will serve better as spare parts and as pans!

I disagree...

As Felipe said before, Varig tried to improve PP-VRD but the aircraft owner did not allowed even if I can't understand why!?
I think if Varig was advised that VRD was a problematic plane they probably wouldn't lease it.
And it's a 777... along with 332 one of nicests planes in the world!

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Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:07 am

That is amazing.

I really expected that every single B777-200/ER will be converted to Freighters in some years time.

And now i see one of these birds scrapped after only 11 years.

I cannot believe it - never heard about a scrapped B767,A330,340 or B747 after such a short time period.

SAD!!!
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:45 am

Quoting JAM747 (Reply 20):
I have noticed it has been mentioned before that a few of Varig 777s are in bad shape. How come they some these birds are in such shape?

Blame it on Varig!

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):
For sure this bird (PP-VRD) and it's twin brother (PP-VRC) are in very bad condition since they have been added to RG fleet.

Anyone know the fate PP-VRC ?
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:45 am

Shocking! A 777 being scrapped after only 11 years of service - albeit with years of storage in between. The story of this plane is unfortunate but one should consider the rationale behind BA's decision to buy the A-market (ie non-ER) 777s. When BA first ordered the 777s it opted for GE-powered models. It bought the 5 A-models for use on Middle East routes and fitted them with larger First and Business class sections with smaller Economy seating areas. The B-models (IGWs) were introduced for longer routes and were outfitted in a variety of configurations. After some time BA was dissatisfied with the GE engines and opted for RR plants for its most recent orders of 777s, the 200ERs. The designation ER or extended range was actually the renaming of the B-market model of the 777 but BA has kept the 2 designations in order to differentiate the planes with the various engines.

After 11 September 2001 BA decided to retire 2 of the 200As due to a decline in the Middle Eastern traffic. I remember seeing one in CWL with engines missing in those days. Sadly, it seems that the story never got any better for this particular plane and so the story ends way too early.

11 years of age. The truth is, as others have mentioned, business does not care about emotion and the parts are very valuable. Furthermore, back in the 50s and 60s when aviation development proceeded at a much faster pace whole fleets of planes, both military and civil, were scrapped despite having been around for less than a decade. When jets came in, for example, Constellations and Starliners were broken up quite rapidly. Still, it is sad to see a relatively new and sophisticated plane as the 777 being taken apart so soon. The parts will help keep many other 777s airborne though and the type is well in the prime of its career with over 500 aloft.

Now think about the fact that the Spitfire population is rising again as old birds are restored to the air...

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Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting Johnny (Reply 41):
I cannot believe it - never heard about a scrapped B767,A330,340 or B747 after such a short time period.

Thats true. The youngest 767 scrapped so far had 19 years service.

The youngest 747 ever scrapped was G-BDXO which only saw 14 years service before wfu by British Airways in 2001. It was bought by European in 2003 but the troubles of that airline meant it was never put into service again and scrapped last year. Some SPs with about 16 years service have been scrapped as well.

No A330/A340 has been scrapped so far. There was only one A330 of Malaysia which was contaminated a few years back and wfu.
 
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:49 am

Now that's a shocker! I mean...they´re still airing "ground-breaking" documentaries about the 777 on Discovery!  Big grin

But jokes apart...it's really amazing to see such a "young" bird going to the chop-shop so soon. Sure, A-markets and economics and what nots...but still. I don't like it.

Let's hope someone can make a sort of re-assembly on Scrapheap Challenge or Junkyard Wars.  Wink
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 38):
The bird has had a turbulent history...


Delivered to British Airways in January 1996 as G-ZZZE.



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If this picture is accurate, than this was the only 777 ever painted in the old BA livery. I saw a picture of it once in the database and instantly fell in love with it. I love the old livery and especially on the T7. I am very very sad to see this historic bird bite the dust.
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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 46):
If this picture is accurate, than this was the only 777 ever painted in the old BA livery. I saw a picture of it once in the database and instantly fell in love with it. I love the old livery and especially on the T7. I am very very sad to see this historic bird bite the dust.

No, numerous B777s were painted in the old scheme. B777 deliveries started in 1995, the "World Tails" were introduced two years later.


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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Ti

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 31):
As sad as it is to break up an airplane for parts, people on here seem to get too upset over it. Airplanes and airlines are businesses, and decisions involving large sums of money (i.e., an airplane) rarely involve any emotion.

 checkmark  If an aircraft is worth more as parts, scrap it. It doesn't matter that new 772C's are still going off the line. The highest profit is as parts. Cest la vie.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 38):
After 24263 hours and 5170 cycles with BA

Great info. Thank you. So the aircraft saw duty. Not enough to scrap if the 772A/GE90-76B had a resale market. But since that airframe/engine combo is a rarity... so long. Its going to become a parts donor.

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 7):
Surely these A-market aircraft are prime candidates for freighter conversion should somebody launch a programme?

As others have noted, the A market aircraft are worthless as Freighters due to their low lift. Because of that, expect them to all be scrapped somewhat early. Ok, this early suprised me. But once the 787/350 are in service the 772A's will be worth more as parts when they come up to their D-checks. It simply won't be worth doing the heavy MX on a 772A after 2015. Sad? Yes. A financial fact? Yes.

Now the 772C's will have a much longer life due to their freighter conversion possibilities. The 772B's? Maybe. But they'll be a bit light for frieghters... In fact, they would effectively be competing with A332F's...  scratchchin  The 772C's are a whole different animal. That extra ~55MT MTOW makes quite a difference (341MT vs. ~287MT). Oh, I see a role for the 772ER in Fedex's or UPS' fleet. But not like the 777F.

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RE: Early 777-200 To Be Broken-Up For The First Time

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):
For sure this bird (PP-VRD) and it's twin brother (PP-VRC) are in very bad condition since they have been added to RG fleet. Varig tried to improve them but the owner never accepted (so strange!).
Some reports says at least 40% of the seats without PTV, 20% broken, bad configuration (20F 72C 144Y), but nowadays i believe they could be fixed and run a lot of routes, including US-Brazil.

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 15):

I would find it surprising if an aircraft was scrapped because of worn-out seats and problems with the PTV... Surely it would be possible to find a customer without the need for PTV (if you really don't want to fix it...) who would we willing to throw in a set of seats in exchange for a cheap airframe....

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