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Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:17 am



TAROM of Romania receives its first new Airbus A318
15 November 2006

Romanian national carrier TAROM received the first of four A318 aircraft at a delivery ceremony in Hamburg on Wednesday 15th November.

President and CEO of TAROM, Gabriel Dumitrescu said at the delivery ceremony in Hamburg that "The aircraft you see here is an indication of our future modernization plans, to be one of the major players in the expanding European marketplace. We are moving in the right direction, and receiving the A318, which is the most modern aircraft in its category, will push us further in our journey to the top."


http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ses_items/06_11_15_TAROM_a318.html

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Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:28 am

Looking good. Way to go!
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Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:45 am

Why do I keep thinking Tarom are based in South America? I mean they're not!

Still, funny looking little bus there.
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Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:50 am

Looks ridiculous in comparison to the 737-700s TAROM got a few years back. WTF were these people thinking?!
 
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Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:52 am

It really looks ugly, sorry
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Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:56 am

Looks bland, unimaginative!

Up there with MX's new boring scheme.
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Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:35 am

Are you sure that pic hasn't been photoshopped to make the plane shorter Big grin
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:35 pm

Well folks I think that all have actually missed out on the most important point, which is Tarom taking delivery of it's first A318. This also makes Tarom the 4th airline to operate the A318.

So it seems that the only airlines which have ordered the A318 and have yet received any example is LAN which has an order for 20 x A318 (PW6000) due early next year.

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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:26 pm

Is that the german flag just below the wing???
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:33 pm

Quoting Krasof (Reply 8):
Is that the german flag just below the wing???

Yes, because apparently, the plane is (still) registered in Germany. Maybe because it was produced in Hamburg?

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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:35 pm

Quoting Krasof (Reply 8):
Is that the german flag just below the wing???

Airbuses have either French or German flag/registration for the delivery flight, just as Boeings have U.S. one*.

A318 is a cute little plane, no matter how dull the livery may be.


* http://www.planes.cz/en/photo/1007718

[Edited 2006-11-16 13:38:23]
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:36 pm

Operating only A318s is a dumb idea. This airplane was designed to be complementary in large A32X fleets. It's high CASM makes Tarom vulnerable to any competitor with decent fleet. Congratulation to our corrupted idiots leaders. (they cannot be only corrupted, they must be also idiots)
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:37 pm

YAY!! Now THIS is a cute llil baby bus....LOVE IT!
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:56 pm

TaromA380, if in your nickname lies a secret project please let us know, otherwise your ideas of fleet improvement are a little bit too bold  Smile IMHO I think that this new aircraft is perfectly suited for Tarom's market and network, definitely a good solution to (hopefully) replace the old 737s.

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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:20 pm

You are a bit too optimistic, the A318 alone isn't at all "perfectly suited" for any market & network. It's an economical nonsense. It would makes some sense only in large A32X fleets.

Tarom's A32X fleet will have 4xA318. This is mockery, even if you takes lot of bribe.
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 11):
This airplane was designed to be complementary in large A32X fleets.



Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
Tarom's A32X fleet will have 4xA318.

How many other aircrafts belonging to the A320 family have they planned to buy? If the role of the A318 is to be a complementary plane and Tarom has other A32X units in order, where is the nonsense?
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:48 pm

Tarom hasn't any other A32X order !
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
Tarom's A32X fleet will have 4xA318.

This sentence led me out of the way.
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:28 am

Another shoking rumor flying-high on Romanian media right now is that Tarom may drop its initial plans to become an associate SkyTeam member and rather join Star Alliance. Looks like STAR made a last minute offer to Tarom in terms of frequent flyer, code share, promotional offers, etc. Anyone with more info’s?
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:33 am

Cute aircraft, ugly uninspired livery.
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:54 am

Okay, let's look at Tarom's fleet: (directly from their website)

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ATR 42 - 500
Total in service : 7
Capacity : 10 B + 38 Y
Cruising speed : 474 Km/h
Wingspan : 24.56 m
Length : 22.68 m
Maximum takeoff weight : 18.6 t
Range : 1.778 Km


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BOEING 737 - 300
Total in service : 5
Capacity : 26 B + 84 Y / 10 B + 114 Y
Cruising speed : 795 Km/h
Wingspan : 28.9 m
Length : 33.4 m
Maximum takeoff weight : 56.472 t / 60.1 t
Range : 3.900 km / 4.600 Km


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BOEING 737 - 700
Total in service : 4
Capacity : 14 B + 102 Y
Cruising speed : 837 Km/h
Wingspan : 34.3 m
Length : 33.6 m
Maximum takeoff weight : 68 t / 65.7 t
Range : 6.000 Km

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And finally: THE A318 (x4)


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Not considering the ATR, does it make sense to have an all "737/737NG" fleet, which only equals 9 aircraft total, then buy A318s? No, but who is saying that Tarom will keep their 737s? I'm not saying they won't, but Romania is already in NATO, so who else do they need to impress? ... yeah... the EU... I think Tarom will buy more Airbus in the future...

Anyway... just a thought...
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 10):

A318 is a cute little plane, no matter how dull the livery may be.

Couldn't agree more. No matter what kind of livery this thing has, its just too cute.
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:08 am

Quoting Vio (Reply 20):
I'm not saying they won't, but Romania is already in NATO, so who else do they need to impress? ... yeah... the EU... I think Tarom will buy more Airbus in the future...

Whatfor do they need to impress the EU? Their accession is already decided.

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
This is mockery, even if you takes lot of bribe.

Who do you blame for paying the bribe?

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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 22):
Whatfor do they need to impress the EU? Their accession is already decided

I don't think Romania's acceptance into the EU was guaranteed at the time this order was placed...
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:13 am

I love the A318 a/c, but the Tarom's livery is not a great complement. The livery simply looks too dull!

Although, nonetheless, congrats to Tarom on the babybus!

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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 10):
A318 is a cute little plane, no matter how dull the livery may be.



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 12):
YAY!! Now THIS is a cute llil baby bus....LOVE IT!

Absolutely ADORABLE, just like a newborn puppy. My favorite of the small trunkliners. Though I prefer the look of the longer 737NGs to that of the longer A320 variants, the A318 is hands down cuter than the B736, which is an ugly pug in comparison. Sure wouldn't mind having one of these myself, if I had the scratch. A winner in looks, if not exactly a bestseller.
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting Vio (Reply 23):
I don't think Romania's acceptance into the EU was guaranteed at the time this order was placed...

Possible (I don't know when the order was placed) that this played a crucial role. I thought you were talking about

Quoting Vio (Reply 20):
Tarom will buy more Airbus in the future...

pelican

[Edited 2006-11-16 23:47:19]
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 26):
I thought you were talking about

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. What I mean is that Romania / Tarom may have bought these 4 airplanes to show the other European Union countries that "Hey, we're buying local. We want to support the EU". Now you can see from my first post, that Tarom's fleet is really small. If they are aiming to expand and of course that means the purchase of more aircrafts, I think there will be a good chance that they'll switch to Airbus.

The main point here is that their 737 fleet is not big enough to "hold them back". If Westjet was to buy Airbus planes (where they have over 50 737NGs), I would wonder why that is. I think this case it's pretty clear. I used to be confused as well...

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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:49 am

No problem, now your post makes pefectly sense to me.

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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:56 am

Good news for Tarom and Airbus. About the logic of it, I don't know if it's more efficient to fly 320 and not fill them or fly full A318s...

Whatever the answer to that is, it really is a great looking little babybus, and I really love it! Hope to spot it one day!
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting Vio (Reply 23):
don't think Romania's acceptance into the EU was guaranteed at the time this order was placed...

You are trying to tell us that all it takes to become a member of the EU is to buy four Airbus ? Hmmm, you should tell the Turkish.....
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 30):
You are trying to tell us that all it takes to become a member of the EU is to buy four Airbus ?

Of course not... but I'm sure it made them look good. If they would've bought Boeing, what would the EU say?
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:15 am

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 29):
I don't know if it's more efficient to fly 320 and not fill them or fly full A318s...

Flying full RJ of the same capacity is certainly more efficient and logical.


I wasn't there but I think the following scenery happened :


2002 :
NATO (USA) : -hey romanian folks, how are ya doing, your geostrategical position has became interesting for us since last year !
Romanian politicians : -we are humbly full of happiness to know that !
USA : -you tried to join NATO several years ago (1997), but you didn't meet any criteria. Did you improve something since then ?
Romanians : no sir, we didn't. But tell us your wish and it will be granted.
USA : -well ok then, we take your X, Y and Z airbases for free, you prepare your military to follow us somewhere in the desert soon, an last, buy some cheap 737NG, they are nice aircrafts.
Romanians : but sir, we are hoping to join EU, it would be risky for us to buy those perfect airplanes ! We bet the phone will call soon for us to buy some goods from EU.
USA : -we don't mind if you do so, but we think that finally, there is no hurry for you to join NATO ...
Romanians : -Forgive us, would you mind to tell us how many airplanes would our fleet buy from you ?

......................


2005 :
UE (politicians) : -hallo romanian folks, are you ready to join EU ?
Romanian politicians : -hello sirs, we cannot wait to join !
EU : did you do your homework, according to the treaty we signed ?
Romanians : -you know time was so short, how could we improve such amount of things basically overnight ?
EU : well well well, so you don't qualify to join ...
Romanians : -we are a little late and we apologize, but if you have a wish, don't hesitate to tell us ...
EU : -okay, let's find a compromise. You will have to sell your X, Y, Z industry to some eminent EU corporations, then sign for some great (and expensive) infrastructure work with our brilliant EU industrials without bid. Oh, I almost forgot, we bet you don't have enough airplanes, don't you ?
Romanians : -errr you know, we just ordered some 737NG, now we have enough airplanes to fly our small network. We don't need other planes, especially if they are different with our fleet.
EU : -then we are so sorry to announce you that we cannot accept new members who don't meet basic criteria ...
Romanians : -no, wait a minute, we just had a look again at our fleet and found that we urgently need some A319 !!
EU : -hmmm the A319 is selling like crazy right now, sorry but we cannot provide you that model. But we are willing to give you a much better version, the A318. You'll see, in few years you will come back to get some more.
Romanians : 4 is enough for starting ?
EU : welcome to EU dears romanians !
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Vio (Reply 31):
If they would've bought Boeing, what would the EU say?

Nothing.

Ask Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Slovakia, Cyprus, Hungary - or for that matter, flyLAL, Air Baltic, Estonian Air, Sky Europe, Cyprus Airways/Eurocypria and MALEV.

[Edited 2006-11-17 01:20:02]
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
You are a bit too optimistic, the A318 alone isn't at all "perfectly suited" for any market & network.

Frontier doesnt seem to be complaining...neither is Mexicana...
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:22 pm

TaromA380

Hahahahaha... Ai zis-o... Exact asa cum e. Oricum, sper sa fie intr-un ceas bun.
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 34):
Frontier doesnt seem to be complaining...neither is Mexicana...

But remember F9 has a fleet of 318/319/320 so any issues with CASM of the 318 are obviated by the spares compatability, crew cross certification etc. IIRC it's a similar situationi at MX.

I really like the 32x program and prefer to fly on them but the 318 is a great adjunct to an already large fleet for the reasons already discussed.
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting Vio (Reply 35):
Hahahahaha... Ai zis-o... Exact asa cum e. Oricum, sper sa fie intr-un ceas bun.

Ce pot sa mai spum si eu - nimic !  Wink
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 37):
Ce pot sa mai spum si eu - nimic !

As avea eu o idee: traiasca spaga cu aripi Wink

Anyway, I have heard that Tarom's A318 has been scheduled to FRA IST and LCA already. For those of you who want to spot the bird, there is perhaps a chance to see it in the next days at these airports. I already miss Tarom's "old" livery (that on the B737), hope the baby-bus will soon get repainted and will get a decent livery on it. I don't like this livery experiment at all
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:44 pm

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 32):
I wasn't there but I think the following scenery happened :

 rotfl 

Hi Tarom A380. The best moment of my evening, here in Seattle where I'm now working (guess for wich company !). I've a few Romanian friends and I'm sure they would have written the exact same scenario ! By the way, welcome in EU, with or without A318 !

I flew a couple of times on Tarom in the last 18 months or so, and I enjoyed my flights each time. It's good to have a free meal these days... I also enjoyed the taxi rides from Plaza Uniri to Otopeni, those old Dacia combined with crazy taxi drivers  scared  make you appreciate your life even more once you arrive somehow at the airport  checkeredflag 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:31 am

Heyho,

from mid-December through summer 2007 the A318 will be used on OTP-MUC.


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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:34 am

The A318 is the second Airbus aircraft to join Tarom's fleet, first was the A310.
Tarom still has 2 A310's but they are parked (they had 3, minus one that crashed in 1995), I don't know if they will ever return to service. It must be that the Romanian aviation authority removed the airworthyness certificates of the 310's. Anyone knows why Tarom is not flying the A310 anymore? I see two possible reasons: one is the long haul flights are elimitated for economic reasons, and the other is they may not be airworthy anymore.

OK back to the topic. I don't think it is that nonsense for them to add the A318 to their fleet. Maybe they chose the 318 because it is the only aircraft capacity wise that fills the gap between the ATR-42 and the 733/73G. No Boeing aircraft, except the 737-600, is available with that capacity, but as we know well the 736 is too heavy for its size. And the 717 is out of production. And who knows maybe they will replace the 733's with A320's in the future. Look at Turkish Airlines, they have a large fleet consisting of a mixture of A320's and 737-800's. If they have only A318's now, as far as the Airbus fleet is concerned, it doesn't mean that they will never look at the other A32X models.

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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:55 am

The remaining two A310 are parked, normally in airworthy condition. However, after 3 years of parking and all the service hours, the airframes must get a big check (D?). Right now officials are saying they want to refurbish the two A310 into one military transport and one VIP version (for the government, replacing an old B707).

The long haul is out of question, with only two old middle range aircrafts and a quiet bad management in a fierce competition with big industry names.

As about the narrowbodies, it will take RO lot of time to pay those 4 A318, a new order is not around the corner. It could be possible for Tarom to buy some A319 or A320 in the long term, but it would be too late to compensate the ineficiency of the actual and middle term fleet.

Flying today and tomorrow with 737s and only A318s isn't quiet the best idea to improve chances to gather money for future A32X orders, especially when the overall management is poor and next year RO (which is a state company) will have to compete in a new environement, with no more protective restriction on the market.
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 42):
The remaining two A310 are parked

I thought they were auctioned ?

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 42):
Right now officials are saying they want to refurbish the two A310 into one military transport and one VIP version (for the government, replacing an old B707).

IMO they should change that to 2 military transports and give Basescu a A318Elite.
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 43):
give Basescu a A318Elite.

Now, that would be great (the Elite, I mean.) But do please give it a nice, new livery.  Smile
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 36):
But remember F9 has a fleet of 318/319/320

They don't have the A320 - yet. The first does not arrive until the first quarter of 2008.

But in that same order, they also bought an additional 4 x A318.

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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:57 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 4):

Also a hell of a lot of engine and wing for an ugly duckling !!
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:07 am

There's always the PW6000A alternative. And the derated engine and 319 wing might have been instrumental in getting the increased range for the corporate variant (don't know about the steep approach ability) thus gaining orders for the Elite - as compared to nil(?) for its direct competitors.
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:24 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 41):
OK back to the topic. I don't think it is that nonsense for them to add the A318 to their fleet. Maybe they chose the 318 because it is the only aircraft capacity wise that fills the gap between the ATR-42 and the 733/73G. No Boeing aircraft, except the 737-600, is available with that capacity, but as we know well the 736 is too heavy for its size. And the 717 is out of production. And who knows maybe they will replace the 733's with A320's in the future. Look at Turkish Airlines, they have a large fleet consisting of a mixture of A320's and 737-800's. If they have only A318's now, as far as the Airbus fleet is concerned, it doesn't mean that they will never look at the other A32X models.

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The A318 has almost the same problems as the B736. It's too heavy for its size and is, afaik, economic only in a fleet consisting of other A320 series aircraft. Turkish Airlines has a much much larger fleet of aircraft and can operate economically a two series of medium-range aircraft. As about ordering the A320 in the future, this is a very difficult question. First of all, they don't have the money right now. They may be looking to replace the B737-300, but this won't happen in the near future. I also remember some rumors about TAROM having options for more B737NG, anyone knows about that if it's correct?

The only positive thing about the A318 is IMO the internal configuration (14B+99Y). Lovely  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: Tarom Receives It's First A318

Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:32 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 43):
I thought they were auctioned ?

Yes they were (the A310s), however without result.

Quoting A342 (Reply 43):
IMO they should change that to 2 military transports and give Basescu a A318Elite.

They are waiting for his birthday.  birthday 

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