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Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:48 pm

Just read it on breaking news on CNN-IBN

9W has recieved State Department Clearance from USA.

Here is the link of the news channel----see Breaking News---Report to come up shortly.

http://www.ibnlive.com/


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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:57 pm

That's awesome news. Looks like Naresh Goyal knew something was up when the Belgium PM made the announcement.
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:02 pm

Jet gets green signal to fly to US

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/jet-gets...n-signal-to-fly-to-us/26310-7.html

New Delhi: In what came as a long overdue relief for private airline Jet Airways, the US State Department on Thursday gave security clearance the private carrier to launch flights to America.


The clearance was formally granted to the premier private carrier by the Department of Transportation after the State Department said the airline had passed security, sources said.


The authority of exemption was granted by DoT in favour of Jet Airways, they said.

Sources indicated that the routes being considered by the airline include operating Mumbai-Brussels-New York and Mumbai-Shanghai-San Francisco.


If the airline decides to operate to Los Angeles, then that flight too will be operated through Shanghai, sources said, adding that the airline was also examining the option of operating on the Delhi-Dusseldrof-Toronto sector.




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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
Sources indicated that the routes being considered by the airline include operating Mumbai-Brussels-New York and Mumbai-Shanghai-San Francisco.


If the airline decides to operate to Los Angeles, then that flight too will be operated through Shanghai, sources said, adding that the airline was also examining the option of operating on the Delhi-Dusseldrof-Toronto sector.

I would expect that they can carry traffic between BRU and NY (EWR) but I would highly doubt that they could carry any traffic between PVG and SFO/LAX. There should be good demand between BOM and PVG but that would create a delimma, couldn't sell too many seats on that segment if there is no opportunity for picking up addtional pax in PVG. Travelling PVG to BOM is very tough now with an AI A-310 running via BKK and DEL or connecting in BKK, HKG + BKK or even longer via SIN or KUL. If the PRC governmnt allowed this 5th freedom would the U.S. baulk? Or is this covered already with an India/U.S. bi-lateral?
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:42 pm

That's great. When can we see 9W flying to the USA? Summer 2007 or right now?

Secondly 9W should now initiate legal action against the US company for making baseless allegation against it.

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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 4):
Secondly 9W should now initiate legal action against the US company for making baseless allegation against it.

Hey the US is lawsuit central...

Just in time for the 77W's - April 2007 they get their first. I was speaking to their PR Boss Nandini Verma yesterday and she said that DUS-YYZ would be a 332 and HKG-YYZ will be a 77W. I'm trying to find out a bit more about the BOM routes. But sadly for BLR asnd MAA (sorry for someone from there on this forum) South India doesn't get covered until late 2007 or 2008.
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 5):
in time for the 77W's - April 2007 they get their first. I was speaking to their PR Boss Nandini Verma yesterday and she said that DUS-YYZ would be a 332 and HKG-YYZ will be a 77W.

Thats all good, but first the HKG bilateral must be revised to allow more flights.

I have no doubt a 77W should be used for BOM-PVG-SFO because such a route demands the economics and capacity of such an excellent aircraft.

Cricket did you ask? why they wish to operate 2x daily to YYZ from HKG and DUS.

Also why not originate one of the YYZ flights from another city in India instead of both from DEL.

Also besides the 4 routes [8 WB aircrafts] where are the remaining 12 WB gonna be deployed, any other routes mentioned.

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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:11 pm

Any chance they'll do BOM-JFK or BOM-EWR non-stop? DL isalrady doing it and AI I think will be following.
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:12 pm

I'm surprised - aren't they planning any non-stop India-US flights?
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
Any chance they'll do BOM-JFK or BOM-EWR non-stop? DL isalrady doing it and AI I think will be following.

You've answered it yourself, as that's precisely the reason they are not starting that route. If you look at the routes that 9W has carved, they're all non-conventional.
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:40 pm

DL is already doing it w/ restrictions. If 9W has the right equiptment it will be successful as there won't be any restrictions.
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:53 pm

Finally. Whew. I am going to go distribute sweets.
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 10):
If 9W has the right equiptment it will be successful as there won't be any restrictions.

The 77W has just the additional range over the 772ER to make the route with minimal restrictions BOM-MidWest/East Coast, but only AI will be able to do direct non-stop flights with the LR. However, I guess 9W has decided that a one stop route like BOM-PVG-SFO works better....
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 4):
Secondly 9W should now initiate legal action against the US company for making baseless allegation against it

This US company has already made a fool of itself....but I agree, considering that it's the US, a lawsuit should be filed....let them spend the next 5 years defending themselves in the courts..... Big grin
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:40 am

Ah, finally 9W to the US of A. I think its exciting news. AI now has competition, maybe they will run their flights on time from here on (wishful thinking?). However, no AI or 9W at my home airport-IAD, which is surprising and sad, not shocking as IAD doesn't get priority over EWR or JFK on the east coast.

I hope one of them realize that a non-stop or even one stop (from MXP or FCO) from BOM/DEL-IAD would do good business.
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:27 am

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 4):
Secondly 9W should now initiate legal action against the US company for making baseless allegation against it.

Baseless allegations? The last time I checked, English is not a native language of India, and they should of expected that there would be some other existing company named Jet Airways in US.

I guess that travel agency gave up too quickly, they could have taken Jet Airways to the cleaners or at least made them to alter their name.

Jet Airways should be thankful that it was resolved qucikly or without any legal issues.
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 15):
The last time I checked, English is not a native language of India, and they should of expected that there would be some other existing company named Jet Airways in US.

What does India's native language have anything to do with this? And I would check my English before commenting on others' English skills.

Also, IIRC, the objection was not solely over the common name but alledged that 9W received funding from questionale sources and hence was a security risk.

And finally, you don't really need a reason to sue someone in the US - so 9W might as well try to screw the other namesake....  Smile
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 15):
Baseless allegations? The last time I checked, English is not a native language of India, and they should of expected that there would be some other existing company named Jet Airways in US.

I guess that travel agency gave up too quickly, they could have taken Jet Airways to the cleaners or at least made them to alter their name.

Jet Airways should be thankful that it was resolved qucikly or without any legal issues.

I don't really get your point about English not being a native language of India....what are your trying to say? (I assume English IS your native language?)

If you read the following article, it is quite clear that Jet Airways Inc. is a company without even 1 single aircraft, who took the opportunity to sling mud against an Indian company to try and stop them entering the US market....the issue they tried to raise was of terror links and not the use of the Jet Airways name....

Jet Airways (9W) on the other hand, is a company incorporated in India and operating regular scheduled flights for over a decade now....they applied for rights to fly to the US in a proper manner and, after an unwarranted delay, have been cleared by the US authorities themselves.....

Quite obviously, the charges raised by Jet Airways Inc. were baseless and hollow, else 9W would never have been cleared to fly to the US.....

4 June, 2005: India’s private airline carrier Jet Airways has run over an unexpected hurdle which it encountered in US terrain: A namesake.

Jet Airways Inc, a registered airliner based in Bethesda, Maryland, put up a hurdle to Jet’s ambitious US foray by dragging an Al Qaeda, Dawood connection to the Indian private carrier. It wanted the Indian Jet to be barred from flying to US.

In a complaint filed to the US Department of Transport on May 23, the Delaware-based Jet said permitting Jet would endanger US national security as the Indian carrier “had Al Qaeda” links.

The US Jet’s complaints, filed on May 23, 21 days after Jet filed its application,
were based on some unconfirmed media reports in India. Jet Airways Inc said its Indian namesake was funded by underworld don Dawood Ibrahim, since it was launched in 1991. Gangster Dawood Ibrahim is in UN’s most wanted list of individuals having links with Al Qaeda, founded by terror mastermind Osama bin laden.

The US Jet’s complaints were as wild and unsubstantiated as the media reports it were based. Sample this: “"Secretary (Department of Transportaion) Mineta would never welcome Jet Airways (India) if he was made aware of Naresh Goyal (Chairman of Jet Airways, India0 and Dawood Ibrahim's plan to inflict real and imminent danger on the United States."

Jet (India) slammed the allegations as “sensational, unsupported and offensive but also scurrilous”. In its reply filed last month, Jet India said the complaint has “ falsely accused the Jet Airways of being an "Al-Qaeda airline" and has otherwise attempted to besmirch the reputation of the company and its chairman"

Jet India said in its reply that all aircraft acquisitions and operations have been financed through internationally accredited multilateral institutions and banks including the Export Import bank of US, International Finance Corporation and other reputed banks and FIIS.

The US Jet, which does not even have an aircraft in its possession, didn’t seem to have much takers among US authorities. Jet Airways India has a fleet of 42 aircraft.
It was also the lone objection raised against Jet India’s plans.

The Port Authority of Newark has rubbished the US jets claim. It has supported the Indian Jet’s entry with the US Department of Transport. Jet has selected Newark as its first destination in US for its Mumbai-US flight.

The complaint against the Indian airliner comes as the US Department of Transport
gives 21 days for other parties to raise objections on any new entrant. Media reports say the US Jet was more concerned about the trade name Jet and that the Al Qaeda-Dawood link was just a ruse to stir up anti-terror passions in the US a bid to block the Indian airline’s entry.
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:54 am

My point was about the name of company, if a foreign company and a US company have the same name, than it poses a problem and if the incorporation records are correct, the foreign company coming to do business on US soil would have to ammend it's name. Jet(India) is lucky that the Jet(US) did not follow up with that request, since the Jet(India) would have an extremely arduous time in court regarding it's naming rights

And try to be a bit more open minded my "Canadian" friend, you treat the press report of one company as a Bible and of the second company as a yellow press journalism.

If the reports were not true, Jet(India) would have filed a defamation lawsuit already against Jet(US), but they are hiding something, the allegations of JET(US) may have a lot of bullcrap but there's probably some truth to it
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 16):
What does India's native language have anything to do with this? And I would check my English before commenting on others' English skills.

Also, IIRC, the objection was not solely over the common name but alledged that 9W received funding from questionale sources and hence was a security risk.

And finally, you don't really need a reason to sue someone in the US - so 9W might as well try to screw the other namesake....

I made a mistake from typing too fast, unfortunately once it got posted I couldn't recall it back. My point was on naming rights of the company, Jet Airways may have to ammend it's name since there's already a company registered with this corporate name
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 19):
Jet Airways may have to ammend it's name since there's already a company registered with this corporate name

Not necessary. A company incorporated in a different state in the US can have an exact same name as a company incorporated say in MD. Here we are talking about companies in two different countries.
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:49 am

Congratulations to Jet Airways! Looking forward to flying them soon...
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:50 am

Jet Airways (USA) first used their trademarked name in commerce on October 23, 2002, which is well after Jet Airways was an established brand in India. The spouse of the "CEO and President" of Jet Airways (USA) is/was one Samuel Ramachandra. Draw from that what conclusions you will.
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:26 am

Here is the official DOT order granting rights to 9W.
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf99/429456_web.pdf
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:46 am

Quoting Cricket (Reply 5):
But sadly for BLR and MAA (sorry for someone from there on this forum) South India doesn't get covered until late 2007 or 2008.

Wasn't 9W's intention to build up long haul operations from DEL & BOM but not from other cities in India?
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
Sources indicated that the routes being considered by the airline include operating Mumbai-Brussels-New York and Mumbai-Shanghai-San Francisco.


If the airline decides to operate to Los Angeles, then that flight too will be operated through Shanghai, sources said, adding that the airline was also examining the option of operating on the Delhi-Dusseldrof-Toronto sector.

Does India and China have 5th freedom agreement in their bilaterals? Or is it going to be just a technical stop? What are the current max number of flights that each country can operate into another?

Shame that they are not going to operate a BLR/MAA to US west coast. How difficult would it have been for them to operate a scissor hub in say HKG/NRT, have flights from BLR/MAA/BOM to HKG/NRT and onwards to US? I guess SIN/BKK doesn't make sense as their 773ER can't fly non-stop from there to SFO/LAX?
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting PNQIAD (Reply 20):
Not necessary. A company incorporated in a different state in the US can have an exact same name as a company incorporated say in MD. Here we are talking about companies in two different countries.

Here is a classic example. Purolator is registered trademark of two companies, one is a courier and other is maker of oil filters.

http://www.purolator.com/
and
http://www.pureoil.com/

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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:20 am

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 18):
If the reports were not true, Jet(India) would have filed a defamation lawsuit already against Jet(US), but they are hiding something, the allegations of JET(US) may have a lot of bullcrap but there's probably some truth to it

You seem to base your arguments on a lot of imagined "facts"....not a very strong position to argue from, really....and what's it with you, pointing out "Indian" and "Canadian" in every other reply you make? We're all a.nutters...and I'm of Indian origin, BTW....

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 19):
I made a mistake from typing too fast, unfortunately once it got posted I couldn't recall it back.

unfortunately you forgot to "ammend" your error in the next reply too.... Big grin

Quoting WestWing (Reply 22):
Jet Airways (USA) first used their trademarked name in commerce on October 23, 2002, which is well after Jet Airways was an established brand in India. The spouse of the "CEO and President" of Jet Airways (USA) is/was one Samuel Ramachandra. Draw from that what conclusions you will.

Yes, exactly....I did not have this info at hand, but now that its been put forward for all to see, lets just agree that the case made out by Jet Airways Inc. against 9W was just a case of "lets cause as much trouble as we can..." They got what they deserved and should consider themselves lucky if 9W decides not to drag them to court for what they've done....
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:13 pm

This is a moot point till they join an alliance and sufficiently sweeten their FF program. I for one will not be rushing to fly 9W until that happens. For now I am glad to see capacity in the US - India sector getting augmented.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 5):
But sadly for BLR asnd MAA (sorry for someone from there on this forum) South India doesn't get covered until late 2007 or 2008.
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting Cricket (Reply 5):
Just in time for the 77W's - April 2007 they get their first. I was speaking to their PR Boss Nandini Verma yesterday and she said that DUS-YYZ would be a 332 and HKG-YYZ will be a 77W. I'm trying to find out a bit more about the BOM routes. But sadly for BLR asnd MAA (sorry for someone from there on this forum) South India doesn't get covered until late 2007 or 2008.

9W cannot fly to YYZ via HKG with 5th freedom pax rights as the Canada-India bilateral treaty doesnt permit it!

http://dgca.gov.in/bilateral/canada0605.pdf

go to page 8 and read point 4 under NOTES!
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 15):
The last time I checked, English is not a native language of India, and they should of expected that there would be some other existing company named Jet Airways in US.



Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 18):
My point was about the name of company, if a foreign company and a US company have the same name, than it poses a problem and if the incorporation records are correct, the foreign company coming to do business on US soil would have to ammend it's name.

There is just absolutely nothing at all correct about any of that.

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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:36 pm

Will Jet continue to charge Indian residents one fare (lower) and foreign nationals a higher fare? I was told by a ticketing agent at Delhi airport in Oct that it was company policy to charge foreign nationals higher fares (which is widespread in India at fine hotels and tourist spots). Will that not be illegal under U.S. laws (national origin is one of the elements that you may not use for discriminatory purposes) if they are flying into the U.S.?
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting Aseem (Reply 26):
Here is a classic example. Purolator is registered trademark of two companies, one is a courier and other is maker of oil filters.

http://www.purolator.com/
and
http://www.pureoil.com/

One of those actually used to own the other at one point. The filter company owned the courier company.
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:00 pm

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 15):
The last time I checked, English is not a native language of India

Funny that.....there are more English speakers in India than there are in the U.S.A.
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:22 pm

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 14):
However, no AI or 9W at my home airport-IAD, which is surprising and sad, not shocking as IAD doesn't get priority over EWR or JFK on the east coast.

Nothing surprising about that at all. At the end of that day, the airline's objective is profits. IAD, sad to say, is not the business capital and might not have premium pax that could give the airline the boost. Otherwise you would have seen loads of Asian airlines flying there already.

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 15):
The last time I checked, English is not a native language of India

India, you might be surprised, has some of the BEST English speakers you would find on this planet. Their level of English (albeit only with the educated middle class) surpasses even their ex-colonial masters.
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:35 pm

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 31):
Will Jet continue to charge Indian residents one fare (lower) and foreign nationals a higher fare? I was told by a ticketing agent at Delhi airport in Oct that it was company policy to charge foreign nationals higher fares (which is widespread in India at fine hotels and tourist spots). Will that not be illegal under U.S. laws (national origin is one of the elements that you may not use for discriminatory purposes) if they are flying into the U.S.?

While I was in Delhi earlier this week, I read in HT or ToI that the US$ fare for foreigners is to be scrapped by the major airlines, with Jet already having implemented this policy. So, the US$ fare will now be at par with the INR fare - depending only the prevailing exchange rate. I have tried to find a link for this with no success...apologies.

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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 31):
Will Jet continue to charge Indian residents one fare (lower) and foreign nationals a higher fare? I was told by a ticketing agent at Delhi airport in Oct that it was company policy to charge foreign nationals higher fares (which is widespread in India at fine hotels and tourist spots). Will that not be illegal under U.S. laws (national origin is one of the elements that you may not use for discriminatory purposes) if they are flying into the U.S.?

This has been scrapped by all airlines including 9W. Also, two-tier pricing only applied to domestic Indian segments which are not under the purview of American law.
 
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:24 pm

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 25):
Shame that they are not going to operate a BLR/MAA to US west coast. How difficult would it have been for them to operate a scissor hub in say HKG/NRT, have flights from BLR/MAA/BOM to HKG/NRT and onwards to US? I guess SIN/BKK doesn't make sense as their 773ER can't fly non-stop from there to SFO/LAX?

I'm actually quite happy they're focussing on BOM/DEL at the moment - as until they join a FFP alliance (*A comes to mind Big grin), I'd rather stick to flying existing *A carriers on this route.

I think it's soon going to be time for 9W to join an alliance, especially if it wants to get hold of business travellers from the USA.
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RE: Jet Airways [9W] Gets US Clearance

Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:19 pm

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 14):
Ah, finally 9W to the US of A. I think its exciting news. AI now has competition, maybe they will run their flights on time from here on (wishful thinking?). However, no AI or 9W at my home airport-IAD, which is surprising and sad, not shocking as IAD doesn't get priority over EWR or JFK on the east coast.

Roger that ! This indeed great news ! Jet is a good airline hopefully they will stay that way .... I agree IAD-BOM direct would be awesome .... not sure if the range is too much - would not mind taking the EWR-BOM flight to see how that works out ..

Congrats to Jet Airways !
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:34 pm

this is great news. AI will now finally realize that it has some competition  Smile maybe that will encourage them to improve their product...
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:59 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 37):
I'd rather stick to flying existing *A carriers on this route.

While I don't fault your logic, I would like more service to Bangalore to just drive the prices down!! BA is too expensive for SEA-BLR, with fares reaching $1500-$1600 for weekends!! And AF/LH aren't cheap either. It is getting difficult to fly into BLR directly for less than $1400 these days!
 
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:59 pm

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 40):
While I don't fault your logic, I would like more service to Bangalore to just drive the prices down!! BA is too expensive for SEA-BLR, with fares reaching $1500-$1600 for weekends!! And AF/LH aren't cheap either. It is getting difficult to fly into BLR directly for less than $1400 these days!

But until the new airport comes up, adding additional capacity at BLR right now is going to make things worse - but once the new airport and new services come up. I assume Kingfisher will make BLR a major int'l hub once they get their planes and permissions and that should bring prices down - the A340-500's they've ordered should give them lift India-US non-stop maybe not SEA, but somewhere in the US.

9W is clear that initially international will be VABB and VIDP and only from 2008 will BLR/HYD/MAA start.
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Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 34):
Otherwise you would have seen loads of Asian airlines flying there already.

Well KE, NH and SV are the only asian carriers at IAD, so you are right. Its surprising though that being the capital city airport, it doesn't see other asian carriers.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 34):
might not have premium pax that could give the airline the boost.

I disagree, with tons of Indians in this area, 9W won't have a hard time filling the seats, either on a non-stop or a one-stop flight. They should give it a try, what you guys think?
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:01 am

Any chance that 9W could serve SJC.....and label it a 'SILICON VALLEY' TO 'SILICON VALLEY' link !!! ??
 
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Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 34):
, sad to say, is not the business capital and might not have premium pax that could give the airline the boost.

= With the embassies, the World Bank, the IMF, and a plethora of other international agencies, I doubt this would be a reason. If you disagree, look at J/F loads ex IAD on Euro carriers.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 30):
There is just absolutely nothing at all correct about any of that.

Can't agree with you. Why don't you registered a corporation with the name of General Motors overseas and try to come into US markets selling cars, let's see how far that will get you.

My comment regarding the official language of India was that they will lose the naming rights battle in the US court, I didn't mean to insult anyone from India or question their language skills.

And I know I made a grammatical mistake from typing too fast and not checking what I typed, that was pointed out by several people already
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 45):
Can't agree with you. Why don't you registered a corporation with the name of General Motors overseas and try to come into US markets selling cars, let's see how far that will get you.

= You are comparing apples and oranges. Jet Airways USA would lose the battle in U.S. courts because it does not have any tangible assets and is not an active player in the market. Courts would rule against it.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 45):
Can't agree with you. Why don't you registered a corporation with the name of General Motors overseas and try to come into US markets selling cars, let's see how far that will get you.

You're comparing apples with oranges.

The scope of a legal trademark is determined on whether there is "likelihood of confusion."

Thus, there is a whole body of caselaw in trademark law that differentiates well known businesses with known product types that operate in large national and global markets from smaller businesses that operate in localized markets and/or with different product types.

A quick and dirty analysis of TM law is on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_trademark_law.

Read it and learn something.

And then come back with something interesting to say.

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 45):
My comment regarding the official language of India was that they will lose the naming rights battle in the US court

Nonsense. You're assertions without any legal information to back them up are tedious. Even if Jet Airways USA was the first to file its TM with the USPTO, Jet Airways India can get around that challenge by a first to use argument, even if it wasn't flying to or from the US. Plus, there is a differentiation in business types here. The US corporation is in the business, I believe, of providing interline trucking and ground services to air cargo carriers in localized markets, while the Indian corporation is an international passenger carrier.
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 45):
Can't agree with you. Why don't you registered a corporation with the name of General Motors overseas and try to come into US markets selling cars, let's see how far that will get you.

My comment regarding the official language of India was that they will lose the naming rights battle in the US court, I didn't mean to insult anyone from India or question their language skills.

Registering a name in one country does not give it universal protection. Why do you think General Motors has their name registered in different countries?

Also, what exactly does the official language of India have to do with losing naming rights? Do you think they'll be unable to communicate in American courts and lose the rights because the judge couldn't understand them? I sure hope that's now what you're thinking! Besides, English IS one of India's official languages.
 
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:38 pm

Besides the 4 routes announced DEL-HKG-YYZ, DEL-DUS-YYZ,BOM-BRU-EWR and BOM-PVG-SFO [8 Wide Body aircrafts] where are the remaining 12 Wide Bodies gonna be deployed, are any other routes being mentioned.

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