AirAmericaC46
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Airline Review: Aeroflot (Soviet Era)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:10 am

I remember an article in the Reader's Digest in the 70s about Aeroflot. It held the record of the world's largest airline with a fleet of more than 1000 a/c----I'm sure that in the entire aviation history, no airline had beaten this humongous number of fleet----correct me if I am wrong.

I need A.netters to post their review of the Soviet era Aeroflot and to answer some of my questions/requests:

1. If anyone out there has the entire timetable of SU during its peak years of service (70s and 80s), I'd appreciate that you share all the routes, timetables/schedules and types of aircraft used including the routes of the ubiquitous Antonov 2 feeder a/c., and all SU military charters and flights to the Soviet Antarctic Territory. Any military flights/scheduled flights to the Russian Arctic islands of Novaya Zemlya and the other 2 big islands??

2. If #1 is too much, I need examples of hubs of SU during its peak years and examples of routes from that hub and type of aircraft used. I am assuming that SU (soviet era) holds the record of the most number of hubs/mini-hubs in the entire aviation history. Currently I believe that title belongs to Ryanair (with about 17 hubs and mini-hubs)----correct me if I am wrong.

3. Post some of your brief trip reports of the Soviet era Aeroflot.

4. IATA code is SU----no doubt it means Soviet Union----correct me if I am wrong

5. What is the ICAO code? Is the ICAO code still the same as current?

6. All military charters and cargos----routes, type of aircraft used and year of service.

7. Post pix of your favorite SU aircraft
 
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RE: Airline Review: Aeroflot (Soviet Era)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Thread starter):
Any military flights/scheduled flights to the Russian Arctic islands of Novaya Zemlya and the other 2 big islands??

Hi AirAmericaC46,

Far as I remember, Novaya Zemlya is served on request by helicopter from Amderma to Yuzhny (south island) and Severny (north island).

Think these two islands are inhabited by 100 people. There, the Soviets made its nuclear testing bombs.

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Thread starter):
If #1 is too much, I need examples of hubs of SU during its peak years and examples of routes from that hub and type of aircraft used. I am assuming that SU (soviet era) holds the record of the most number of hubs/mini-hubs in the entire aviation history. Currently I believe that title belongs to Ryanair (with about 17 hubs and mini-hubs)----correct me if I am wrong.

Think in a big country, with so many big cities. In these years Aeroflot or AFL (Icao code) has hubs at TBS, MSQ, LED, MOW, VVO, PPK, UFA, PEE, ALA, TAS, FRU, AER, UUS, BAK, ASB, KRR,...

I don't remember all the cities but there were more than FR has nowadays.

My favourites Soviet era aircrafts are three:

Tupolev TU-114 Rossiya
Tupolev TU-124 Cookpot
Ilyushin IL-62

I have many trip reports of Aeroflot flight.

I'm making a blog were I'm writing all my curiosus trips.

Wait and I give the web adress.

Hope my information help you.

Regards,

Gerard
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RE: Airline Review: Aeroflot (Soviet Era)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Thread starter):
It held the record of the world's largest airline with a fleet of more than 1000 a/c----I'm sure that in the entire aviation history, no airline had beaten this humongous number of fleet----correct me if I am wrong.

That's because almost every flying Object in Russia was under Aerflot flag. IIRC it was more than 10000!!! planes operating in peak times. Russia was one big country and everything flying from small helicopters to the mighty An-124's was flying as Aeroflot. Not to compare with todays airlines.

My fav Aeroflot a/c is the Tu-114

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RE: Airline Review: Aeroflot (Soviet Era)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:16 am

what equipment does SU use from SVO-IAD and SVO-DEL?

Are they buying new equipments?
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RE: Airline Review: Aeroflot (Soviet Era)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:10 am

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Thread starter):
It held the record of the world's largest airline with a fleet of more than 1000 a/c

The Soviet Aeroflot used to call themselves the world largest airline, but it's not totally correct to call it "one airline." Let me try to explain:

Since no private enterprises existed in the Soviet Union, there was no need for making up a name for each business. Thus, each bakery in Moscow used to be called "Bread Factory number 1," "Bread Factory number 2," etc. But even though all bakeries in the USSR were called "Bread Factory number X," that didn't mean that the USSR only had one bakery!

It was the same with aviation. There were many different airlines, but since all of them were government owned and competition was out of the question, all airlines had the same name: Aeroflot, which literally means "air fleet," but to paraphrase it: "airline."

So in Leningrad, you had a local "Leningrad-airline" which was responsible for running the airport, running the airport hotel, the ticket offices, and the flights to and from the city. The "Leningrad-airline" was called "Aeroflot," the airline at SVO in Moscow was also called "Aeroflot," but those two airlines were run separately by different managers.

The Aeroflot which exists today is the international Moscow-based airline which was responsible for running SVO and running international flights to and from SVO. That Aeroflot opened its first domestic flight in Russia in 1996.

So concerning the question of how many hubs the USSR-SU had: several hundred, as there were several hundred airlines being called Aeroflot.
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RE: Airline Review: Aeroflot (Soviet Era)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 4):
The "Leningrad-airline" was called "Aeroflot," the airline at SVO in Moscow was also called "Aeroflot," but those two airlines were run separately by different managers.

Even though it was operated by different managers, it was still one company - Aeroflot Soviet Airlines.
Think of it like Starbucks. Each store has their own manager, yet it's still overall the same store.

But yes, RedChili gave the correct idea, Aeroflot was based at various airports country-wide, with mostly strong operations out of most of them. It truly was indeed a hell of a powerful airline.

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RE: Airline Review: Aeroflot (Soviet Era)

Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:20 pm

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 3):
what equipment does SU use from SVO-IAD and SVO-DEL?

To Delhi, SU flies IL9 equipment daily; to IAD SU flies once a week 763 equipment with stop at JFK.
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RE: Airline Review: Aeroflot (Soviet Era)

Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:00 am

Thank you everyone for the crisp information.

Hello Gerad, I'll be waiting for your blog web of your trip reports especially within the former USSR. Do you know if there are helicopter services/airline servies (current and previous) to the other Siberian arctic islands such as Zemlya Frantsa Iosifa (Franz Josef Land), Severnaya Zemlya and Novosibirskye Ostrava (New Siberian Islands)??

Also there are the Diomedes----islands in the Bering Strait. Little Diomede belongs to the US and has airline service. Anybody knows if Big Diomede (Russian) Island has an airline service? (previous and/or current)?

Like everyone else, my favorite Russian aircraft is the Tupolev 114 Rossiya----I remember its international route was to Havana. Any other routes of the TU114??

My other favorites are: IL-18, IL-62, IL-86, IL-96, Tupolev 144 Supersonic
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RE: Airline Review: Aeroflot (Soviet Era)

Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting RedChili (Reply 4):
each bakery in Moscow used to be called "Bread Factory number 1," "Bread Factory number 2," etc

- still, it was just Aeroflot, not Aeroflot No 1, No 2, ... There were different Aeroflot departments but, as much different and (if) independent they were, the top management still existed. Plus, BTW, separate businesses, even state owned, often had different names, which might become their true brand names, not just numbers.

As for hubs - indeed, each city might be called a hub, as each was served by - and only by - Aeroflot.

Favorite aircraft? Definitely, Il18, followed by Tu154.

Routes of Tu114, other than Havana: definitely, New York, plus, in co-operation with JAL - Tokyo.