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BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:45 am

I started a thread earlier about BLI-IWA but the announcement of new service was much larger than that, so I figured it needed a new thread with a better title.

Western Airlines, a new company with the old name, announced scheduled charter flights today from Bellingham to Ontario, Reno, San Diego, and Phoenix-Williams Gateway. Flights will be on Xtra aircraft.
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/41342.html

The first flights start January 18 and they are booking now.

ONT and IWA flights will be Sun/Mon/Thurs/Fri. SAN and RNO will operate Wed/Sat. Route map http://www.iflywestern.com/where.htm

As I previously posted this company has been trying to start BLI flights for a year. They had talked about operating as a scheduled carrier so this may only be the first step, using scheduled charter to get going.

Besides the routes announced, they are also advertising for station managers at Denver, Oakland, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Dallas, and Palm Springs. So there could be more announcements soon.
http://www.iflywestern.com/employment.htm

[Edited 2006-11-16 21:49:30]
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter):
Flights will be on Xtra aircraft.

If known, what is the aircraft type to be operated?
 
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:54 am

The reports are 737s. Nothing more specific and I don't know what specific aircraft Xtra currently has.
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 1):
If known, what is the aircraft type to be operated?

The article says 737s, but nothing specific. However, I believe Xtra flies 737-800s, don't they?

Either way, good news for SAN and ONT, my home airports! Always good to see a new airline... Plus BLI just got G4 service to PSP, so the SoCal-BLI market seems to be really jumping!
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:02 am

According to their Web site, XTRA has three 737-400s and one 737-800.
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 3):
Plus BLI just got G4 service to PSP, so the SoCal-BLI market seems to be really jumping!

And Western is advertising for a PSP station manager. That could be interesting with both on BLI-PSP, if that is what Western plans to fly to Palm Springs.
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:19 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 3):
Always good to see a new airline... Plus BLI just got G4 service to PSP, so the SoCal-BLI market seems to be really jumping!

I think it is more the SoCal-Vancouver market tired of being ripped off by Air Canada and Alaska.
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:33 am

According to the route map, it looks like they will serve SAN-RNO as well. Now we will have Southwest and Western on the route where just yesterday there was nothing.

I remember I flew the inaugural flight between SAN-RNO way back in 1979 on a WA 72S.

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Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:36 am

Any idea how they secured the rights to the Western name? I would think Delta owned it after the merger.
 
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:40 am

I wish them the best ofluck, but, jeez, Bellingham...I wonder what O&D market is out there?
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 9):
I wish them the best ofluck, but, jeez, Bellingham...I wonder what O&D market is out there?

The O&D market that uses BLI is mostly transborder coming from Vancouver and the surrounding areas.
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:48 am

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Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:49 am

Quoting Spinkid (Reply 8):
Any idea how they secured the rights to the Western name? I would think Delta owned it after the merger.

I think one time I looked and the Patent and Trademark Office considered all of the old Western items dead. If I remember right they were listed as either abandoned or cancelled sometime in 2000 or 2001.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 9):
but, jeez, Bellingham...I wonder what O&D market is out there?

All of Vancouver, BC would be included if the pricing is right so it would be pretty good.
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:57 am

If Xtra will be doing the flying for this new airline, I find it interesting that they themselves are hiring flight attendants under their employement section. Perhaps they're doing the hiring for Xtra strictly for their own operations?
 
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:05 am

Sounds like good news for all of Southern BC and Bellingham. BLI is pretty close to me too as I'm in Victoria (just a ferry up to Vancouver, then a short drive).

How far is ONT from SNA? I think if it is close enough this route could be good for Canadian families going to Anaheim and Disneyland (because SNA doesn't have YVR service).





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Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 13):
Perhaps they're doing the hiring for Xtra strictly for their own operations?

A very distinct possibility. Umm..does anyone elkse think thatthe 734/738 is overkill for the current route system?
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:25 am

ONT is about an hour away from SNA. It is also an alternative airport for L.A. and well as Palm Springs.
 
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:25 am

ONT is about an hour away from SNA. It is also an alternative airport for L.A. and Palm Springs.
 
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:47 am

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Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:01 pm

I really wish them the best of luck! I hope the aircraft will be painted just like the original Western airlines.I miss the big red "W" just as much as I miss PSA's "Grinning birds"!  airplane 
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:04 pm

After looking at their initial schedule, it appears that they will only be utilizing one aircraft- though very efficiently. I think they have a great idea with serving alternative airports, especially BLI.

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Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 19):
I really wish them the best of luck! I hope the aircraft will be painted just like the original Western airlines.I

They'll be in their Xtra Airways livery, I think.
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 15):
A very distinct possibility. Umm..does anyone elkse think thatthe 734/738 is overkill for the current route system?

Not really. They will benefit from the reduced CASM which will keep fares lower.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 14):
How far is ONT from SNA? I think if it is close enough this route could be good for Canadian families going to Anaheim and Disneyland (because SNA doesn't have YVR service).

ONT-SNA isn't really the question to ask, rather ONT-Disneyland. SNA itself is about 15-20 minutes in good traffic on very heavily trafficed highway to Disneyland while ONT a 30-35 minute drive on less congested highways.

Quoting Mjt909 (Reply 17):
ONT is about an hour away from SNA. It is also an alternative airport for L.A. and Palm Springs.

You know, ONT might just canibalize some of the PSP service, or vice versa. Also, ONT is only about 40 minutes from SNA
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:17 pm

They posted their press release. One-way fares start at $59.
http://www.iflywestern.com/WesternAir_files/SoService.pdf
The flight schedule:
Bellingham(BLI) - Los Angeles/Ontario(ONT)
Flight No. Departs Arrives Frequency
XP 521 BLI – 7:00 am ONT – 9:45 am Su, M, Th, F
XP 522 ONT – 10:25 am BLI – 1:15 pm Su, M, Th, F

Bellingham(BLI) – Phoenix(IWA)
Flight No. Departs Arrives Frequency
XP 523 BLI – 2:00 pm IWA – 4:55 pm Su, M, Th, F
XP 524 IWA – 5:35 pm BLI – 8:40 pm Su, M, Th, F

Bellingham(BLI) – San Diego(SAN)
Flight No. Departs Arrives Frequency
XP 531 BLI – 6:45 am SAN – 9:45 am W, Sa
XP 536 SAN – 7:55 pm BLI – 10:55 pm W, Sa

Bellingham(BLI) – Reno(RNO)
Flight No. Departs Arrives Frequency
XP 532 RNO - 12:30 pm BLI – 2:35 pm W, Sa
XP 533 BLI – 3:20 pm RNO – 5:15 pm W, Sa

San Diego(SAN) – Reno(RNO)
Flight No. Departs Arrives Frequency
XP 532 SAN – 10:20 am RNO – 11:55 am W, Sa
XP 533 RNO – 5:50 pm SAN – 7:20 pm W, Sa

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 19):
I hope the aircraft will be painted just like the original Western airlines.I miss the big red "W"

It doesn't look like it right now, but they are using red. Also they have updated the old motto, see their logo below. A little reminder for those who remember the old days.
http://www.iflywestern.com/WesternAir_files/WA_logo_01.gif
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
ONT-SNA isn't really the question to ask, rather ONT-Disneyland. SNA itself is about 15-20 minutes in good traffic on very heavily trafficed highway to Disneyland while ONT a 30-35 minute drive on less congested highways

OK, thanks for the answer. 30-35 minutes isn't too bad at all.
 
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:29 pm

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 19):
I really wish them the best of luck! I hope the aircraft will be painted just like the original Western airlines.I miss the big red "W" just as much as I miss PSA's "Grinning birds"!

Amen to that, Im REAlly looking forward to the flights. I'll take plenty of pics along wth a thourough trip report. Going to SEA from SLC I'll be taking US though...
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:32 pm

Delta must have sold the rights to the name in Chapter 11 for a Song!
 
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:35 pm

I wish Western all the best! There is a press release on Western's website today with the schedule. It's pretty intensive. Lots of utilization. 734 flying six days a week in "Western" territory. If they're half as good as the original, they'll be better than most airlines around today.

With the Western name - I'm really surprised DL abandoned all rights. I guess they had to obliterate the name so people wouldn't see the difference between WA and DL crews. Bad start to end up with such a poor service record DL has going (just read various trip reports). The old Western had a great reputation. Maybe not financially, but the passenger service was always better than most. OK, I'm prejudiced.

Maybe this time something may work out the right way. Just read their slogan!

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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter):
Flights will be on Xtra aircraft.

Ahhh, the old Casino Express.

Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter):
Phoenix-Williams Gateway

I wonder how they are going to market this to passengers?
Is not the airport actually in Mesa?
Anyone else thinking of Ryanair?

Will all future growth be out of Bellingham? Or will they provide Point-2-Point throughout the West?

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 15):
Umm..does anyone elkse think thatthe 734/738 is overkill for the current route system?

I do as well. Maybe they know something we do not?
Still, as it were, Whoa!, that is a lot of seats for a market accustomed to turpobrops. I wish them luck.
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 26):
Delta must have sold the rights to the name in Chapter 11 for a Song!

LOL, Ive never shot Vault out of my nose until now!

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 27):
If they're half as good as the original, they'll be better than most airlines around today.



Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 27):
The old Western had a great reputation. Maybe not financially, but the passenger service was always better than most. OK, I'm prejudiced.

Maybe this time something may work out the right way. Just read their slogan!

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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:12 pm

I'm still trying to figure out what they will do with stations in Denver, Oakland, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Dallas, and Palm Springs. That's where they are looking for station managers.

Will those operate only out of BLI or will they try some p2p, say RNO-PSP or IWA-RNO. They will be competing with non-stop SEA and YVR flights to those other cities. And most are hubs for majors.

It will be interesting to watch.
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 23):
I miss the big red "W"

It doesn't look like it right now, but they are using red. Also they have updated the old motto, see their logo below. A little reminder for those who remember the old days

If they do update the Western airlines logo, I hope they at least keep the "W"
in it. If they totally revamp the Western logo,I hope it's as creatitve as today's Frontier Airline's logo which is ,in my opinion,is the best logo in the sky! Maybe the new Western logo will feature all red aircraft with a white "W".
Just a thought.
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:22 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 30):
I'm still trying to figure out what they will do with stations in Denver, Oakland, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, Dallas, and Palm Springs. That's where they are looking for station managers.

I have sent in my resume for the SLC Station manager. Maybe a return to a mini-hub in SLC at least?

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 31):
If they do update the Western airlines logo, I hope they at least keep the "W"
in it. If they totally revamp the Western logo,I hope it's as creatitve as today's Frontier Airline's logo which is ,in my opinion,is the best logo in the sky! Maybe the new Western logo will feature all red aircraft with a white "W".
Just a thought.

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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:25 pm

Sounds like another Winair or Tahoe Air to me. Like the others say...I wish them luck. But I don't think it's going to fly very long.

BLI is fairly tiny. Can that airport handle all the traffic?
 
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 28):
Still, as it were, Whoa!, that is a lot of seats for a market accustomed to turpobrops. I wish them luck.

Although Allegiant is now up to 12 flights a week at BLI, 10 weekly to LAS and the new seasonal twice a week to PSP.
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:31 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 34):
Although Allegiant is now up to 12 flights a week at BLI, 10 weekly to LAS and the new seasonal twice a week to PSP.

That shouldnt be too hard for WA to handle...734's vs. Md-80's, same capacity, no?
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 35):
That shouldnt be too hard for WA to handle...734's vs. Md-80's, same capacity, no?

734s are smaller than MD80s and 738s are larger. Shouldn't be an issue.
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:11 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 33):
BLI is fairly tiny. Can that airport handle all the traffic?

Almost like the short lived days when BLI had USAir ( PSA prior) and Alaska Airlines mainline jets simultaneously. Those were the (few) days.
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:12 pm

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 37):
Almost like the short lived days when BLI had USAir ( PSA prior) and Alaska Airlines mainline jets simultaneously. Those were the (few) days.

PSA brought what, BAe 146? Alaska had 737s into BLI?
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:30 pm

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 37):
Almost like the short lived days when BLI had USAir ( PSA prior) and Alaska Airlines mainline jets simultaneously.

Very short lived days. PSA started at BLI in Oct 1985 and operated 3 flights a day to SEA continuing to SFO. The merger was, in what, 1986 and completed in 1987. I don't think BLI was in the system much past that.
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:35 pm

Did US use the Bae 146?
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:33 pm

Hope Western Airlines will be smart enough to come up with a dedicated express-bus service between Vancouver International and Bellingham Airport! The existent Quick Shuttle to Seattle sucks, is expensive, miserable and takes its route trough South Surrey, Hwy 91. Not sure but I think it takes you around two grueling hours to make it to Bellingham Airport plus whatever time US customs may deem necessarily to search and question passengers at the Peace-Arch cross border. A more direct Hwy 99 South trip between YVR and BLI should't take you more than say . . . 50 minutes (border wait 20 min, included)
 
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Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:23 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 38):
PSA brought what, BAe 146? Alaska had 737s into BLI?

I don't remember the AS part, but PS actually used Maddogs to BLI for a little while. I remember seeing them there.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 40):
Did US use the Bae 146?

Yes...in fact US used the 146's for quite a while after the merger. I actually never flew the 146's when they were PS...but I flew them quite a bit when they were US. US even had a 1st Class section in those airplanes (1 row).
 
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 42):
don't remember the AS part, but PS actually used Maddogs to BLI for a little while. I remember seeing them there.

Scheduled AS service to BLI was with MD80s.
BLI didn't have airstairs for the 737s, and since the MDs
have forward and aft airstairs, it was the natural choice for
BLI service.
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:37 am

Anyone here think they might also consider service to LGB or BUR for the LA-area?
 
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:06 am

Quoting YOW (Reply 44):
Anyone here think they might also consider service to LGB or BUR for the LA-area?

I wouldn't hold your breath on that. I'd guess they'll stick with ONT as the only destination in the LA area for the time being.
 
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Quoting YOW (Reply 44):
Anyone here think they might also consider service to LGB or BUR for the LA-area?

Quite possibly BUR for the Hollywood/Universal City attractions?
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:32 pm

PSA began BLI sometime between Sept and Dec 1985. Wasn't included in Sept '85 timetable, but was an already serviced city when Dec 1985 rolled around and they started service to Boise, Eureka, Medford, Pasco, Yakima, and Eugene.

After the USAir acquisition, they serviced BLI until sometime between March 2,1991, and May 2,1991. They had the same three flights/day to SEA.

Alaska operated their own flights into BLI between about June 1989 until between April and June 1992. Horizon flew in a few F-28 flights after AS' departure, but not for too long. AS at the beginning also had 3 flights to SEA.
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 47):
PSA began BLI sometime between Sept and Dec 1985. Wasn't included in Sept '85 timetable, but was an already serviced city when Dec 1985 rolled around and they started service to Boise, Eureka, Medford, Pasco, Yakima, and Eugene.

After the USAir acquisition, they serviced BLI until sometime between March 2,1991, and May 2,1991. They had the same three flights/day to SEA

With MD-80s? What did US use? 146s/80s?
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RE: BLI To ONT, RNO, SAN, IWA Announced On Western

Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 47):
PSA began BLI sometime between Sept and Dec 1985.

As I mentioned above:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 39):
PSA started at BLI in Oct 1985 and operated 3 flights a day to SEA continuing to SFO.

I verified the date at one of the PSA history sites.
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