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PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:49 am

PAL will announce their selection of either the A340-600 or B777-300ER next week;

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By Chan Sue Ling
Nov. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Philippine Airlines Inc., the nation's largest carrier, will make an announcement next week on its plans to add six wide-body aircraft to its fleet, President Jaime Bautista said.

The aircraft will be used for routes to the U.S., the carrier's single-biggest source of revenue, and Australia, Bautista said in an interview today. He reiterated that Philippine Airlines is choosing between Airbus SAS's A340-600 and Boeing Co.'s 777-300ER aircraft.

''From now until 2011, we are considering six wide-body planes'' from either of the planemakers, said Bautista, who was attending an aviation conference in Osaka, Japan. ''We will make an announcement on the aircraft purchase plan next week.''


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My 2 cents.....6 x 773ER

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
My 2 cents.....6 x 773ER

I agree. They never took delivery of some 744's. They could just convert those to 773ER's plus add a couple more. Make sense for them.
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
My 2 cents.....6 x 773ER

Hi PanAm.
Do you think these will be leased i.e. are they likely to included in the 15 UFO 777s listed on Boeing's orders page recently?

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:20 pm

I concur. The 773ER makes the most sense to replace their four 744s and 1 744M. Wikipedia says they also want two medium-range planes, which will probably be more A330s.

If PAL didn't already have deposits with Boeing, I imagine the A346 would have had the inside shot since it leverages their A343 and A333 fleet.
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting Nirvarma (Reply 2):
Do you think these will be leased i.e. are they likely to included in the 15 UFO 777s listed on Boeing's orders page recently?

Hi Nirvarma

They will be a direct order, that said, upon delivery they may do a sale/leaseback but in Boeings favour is that they retain the deposit monies of 4 x 744 PAL still has on order and no, they are not part of the UFO's booked this week.

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:30 pm

I'm thinking 6X A346 just because of fleet commonality and the "cancellation"/transfer of EK's order.
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:41 pm

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 5):
I'm thinking 6X A346 just because of fleet commonality and the "cancellation"/transfer of EK's order.

First delivery will be Q1 2009 according to Mr Jaime Bautista.

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):

''From now until 2011, we are considering six wide-body planes'' from either of the planemakers,



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 6):

First delivery will be Q1 2009 according to Mr Jaime Bautista.

Hello, friend.
So we are looking at maybe two frames per year?

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):
They will be a direct order, that said, upon delivery they may do a sale/leaseback but in Boeings favour is that they retain the deposit monies of 4 x 744

That practically confirms this would be for 773ERs, as it's unthinkable they would still be considering 748is after this order, and too far-fetched that PR would throw away those deposits. Is this why I didn't get a reply from you in your other thread?

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:55 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 7):
Is this why I didn't get a reply from you in your other thread?

Hello DF you've got me there, my apologies, which other thread?  Confused

I shall reply sir

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:57 pm

I hope Airbus take this one but i think that Boeing is getting this....
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:03 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
my apologies, which other thread?

No apologies needed. It's the "Boeing Poised..." thread.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
I shall reply sir

Thank you, but no need to bother, as things seem to have been overtaken by events. And please drop the "sir".  Smile

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:55 pm

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 10):
Thank you, but no need to bother, as things seem to have been overtaken by events.

Hi DF, again my apologies.

Have we a leak! Another site is carrying a report that PAL is expecting 6 x 773ERs!

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 11):
Have we a leak!

Leaks are great - how else would we get juicy stuff to discuss here? Big grin

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 11):
Another site is carrying a report that PAL is expecting 6 x 773ERs!

Which site is that? Please send me a message if it's not for general consumption.  Wink

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:53 am

Awesome can't wait to fly on PAL 777-300ER! But my big money is on airbus Big grin
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting Sturdy (Reply 13):
But my big money is on airbus

If only that "big money" could replace the deposits with Boeing, then you'd have better than odds on chance of winning!
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:02 am

IMHO we will see an order for A346HGW.

Here is the reason why I think so.

Fleet Comonality. Except for RR of course.

Lufthansa Technic in MNL will be able to take care of them.

Airbus is Desperate to find some wide body customers, PR has been a very good Airbus customer.

NO ETOPS problems with quads. Im not sure but it seems that there will be extra money need be spent to send B77W's to LAX/SFO.

and the best reason is:

PRICE. PR doesn't have top dollar to pay for B77W's.

With regards to Boeings B747 deposits, I think that those have all been long gone since the late 90's when PR went into Recievership and its aircraft was impounded by creditors. Creditors might have been able to take the deposits.

Just my 2 cents.

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 15):
Creditors might have been able to take the deposits.

While it is a close race, I would say my money is on the 773ER. Even of late, very strong Airbus clients have been buying the 773ER..... its economics simply cannot be ignored, ETOPS to the US isn't too big of a deal, there aren't really any dead spots on the route. Neither A346 or 773ER would surprise me, but if I had to bet, it'd be on the 777.
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:27 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 15):
With regards to Boeings B747 deposits, I think that those have all been long gone since the late 90's when PR went into Recievership and its aircraft was impounded by creditors. Creditors might have been able to take the deposits.

Boeing physically has control of those monies. They were paid to Boeing by PAL. So PAL's creditors had no claim on them and therefore they remain with Boeing.

So unless PAL is willing to forfeit those monies to Boeing, PAL can use it for a future Boeing purchase, including the 773ER.
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
Boeing physically has control of those monies. They were paid to Boeing by PAL. So PAL's creditors had no claim on them and therefore they remain with Boeing.

But Boeing was one of those creditors. Basically thats what I meant. Boeing probably took some, if not all of the monies.

The thing is.... Is the deposit ENOUGH to offset the upfront high cost of a B777-300ER?

Remember PR is cash strapped.

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:49 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 18):
But Boeing was one of those creditors. Basically thats what I meant.

Ah. Understood now.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 18):
The thing is.... Is the deposit ENOUGH to offset the upfront high cost of a B777-300ER? Remember PR is cash strapped.

Well a 773ER is less expensive than a 744 at list, but admittedly a 773ER is more popular now so discounting is probably less. However, PAL did place their order in 1996, when the 744 reigned supreme, so chances are discounts weren't so great then, either.
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 19):
Well a 773ER is less expensive than a 744 at list, but admittedly a 773ER is more popular now so discounting is probably less. However, PAL did place their order in 1996, when the 744 reigned supreme, so chances are discounts weren't so great then, either.

Point well taken.

In the end, Im just happy that PR will get some needed new frames.

Whether it be B77W's or A346HGW, they will serve PR well.

Just imagine how many people they will be able to fit in them. PR is slowly retrofiting its whole fleet to a two class carrier. ie Mabuhay and Fiesta Class.

Can't wait to hear what they have choosen.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 20):
PR is slowly retrofiting its whole fleet to a two class carrier. ie Mabuhay and Fiesta Class.

Wow. I didn't know this. Will the "new" Mabuhay be an upgrade (somewhere between current and First Class)?

With more seats, I can only imagine the number of additional pieces of luggage on the carousel.
 
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 21):
Will the "new" Mabuhay be an upgrade (somewhere between current and First Class)?

According to PR's press release the seat will be cocoon style, full lay flat seats.

So it will be a major upgrade from its current offerings on its fleet.

Hopefully it will be to par with CX/SQ/MH/TG.  duck 

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:38 am

Given the competition in Asia has 773ER's flying to California, PR will go with the flow. A340's are rare in Pacific routes. I expect PR to follow the reasoning of other like Cathay, EVA, ANA, JAL and Singapore Airlines.
 
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:06 am

I doubt they will go for the 777 but it would be wonderful if they do go for the 777
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:18 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 23):
I expect PR to follow the reasoning of other like Cathay, EVA, ANA, JAL and Singapore Airlines.

if they had been doing that for the last quarter century they would have been almost as financially succesful as some of those airlines too!
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 15):
IMHO we will see an order for A346HGW.

I agree. I'm going with the A340-600s, and for all the reasons KL808 cites. For some reason, they remind me of SAA. They're a cash-strapped, relatively small flag carrier that flies a lot of long haul over water. They used to rely on the 747, but found to be A340 perfect for them. It's funny that SAA's A340s are also 2-class.

I might vote for the 777 is they didn't already have the A340.

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Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:38 am

This is wonderful news. Ideally for me, I'd love to see them absorb both into their lineup.
 
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Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:10 pm

Quoting KL808 (Reply 15):
NO ETOPS problems with quads. Im not sure but it seems that there will be extra money need be spent to send B77W's to LAX/SFO.

I think Philippine Airlines will end up with the A340-600HGW because 1) Airbus will sell to them cheap, 2) this will take up the production slots intended for the A346HGW's that EK was supposed to buy, and 3) less stringent ETOPS requirements as you stated.
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:23 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 28):
3) less stringent ETOPS requirements as you stated.

Where do they fly where ETOPS on the 77W will be a problem?

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 28):
1) Airbus will sell to them cheap,

What will happen with the Boeing deposits and who's to say Boeing won't be able to give PR a good deal?

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 28):
2) this will take up the production slots intended for the A346HGW's that EK was supposed to buy,

It will only take up the production slots if PR decide to go with the A346.

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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 29):
Where do they fly where ETOPS on the 77W will be a problem?

Well, flying across the Pacific from SFO or LAX to MNL means a LOT of overwater flying, and given the fairly stringent qualification requirements for PR to get ETOPS certification to fly the 777-300ER on long overwater flights, the initial procurement cost for the A340-600HGW will definitely be cheaper.
 
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Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:28 am

Allright, A346 vs. 77W. I guess nobody expects them to take both, so what are the main arguments for the types?

A346 - would fit very well into their fleet, they already have A343s and A333s. So a good fleet commonality.

-The EK slots. This is all very strange. EK said they canceled their "ten" A346. According to Airbus' sheet, they had 18 on order, plus another two via a leasing company. Very strange. I haven't heard anything about it, so it is not clear to me what happened with the slots. Airbus said it was ready to sell the planes at "rock-bottom" prices. Anyhow, when they're still availbe, PR could get them in 2007 for a low price, not a bad argument.

77W: -Deposits for the 744s might play a role, who knows.

- I know some people will come with better economics. Now, whether this is true or not, who knows if this isn't compensated by the fleet commonilty savings. Adding only six planes of a completely new type isn't the best in those terms.

Conclusion, I see a tendency towards the A346, but you can't rule out the 77W. However, it would be nice to see the A346 in another livery.
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:05 am

so if they go for 777s what do they have to do to get Etops certification not having ever operated a 777 or the engine type ??? how many hours will they need to amass on their new 777s before they can actually fly etops?
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 29):
What will happen with the Boeing deposits and who's to say Boeing won't be able to give PR a good deal?

The real question is, do the deposit still exist, or has Boeing gradually taken some if not all of the deposits due to PR's lack of payment back in the late 90's.

Also, how much of a dent will the deposit be for the upfront high cost of a B777-300ER compared to a A340-600 (Albeit with RR engines).

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 30):
flying across the Pacific from SFO or LAX to MNL means a LOT of overwater flying, and given the fairly stringent qualification requirements for PR to get ETOPS certification to fly the 777-300ER on long overwater flights, the initial procurement cost for the A340-600HGW will definitely be cheaper.

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Dont get me wrong here, I would love for PR to get B777-300ER's, but it seems that the A340-600HGW would be a win-win for both PR and Airbus, from the reasons listed above.

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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 29):
It will only take up the production slots if PR decide to go with the A346.

Not to mention that there might be others ahead in line for those slots.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 33):
Also, how much of a dent will the deposit be for the upfront high cost of a B777-300ER compared to a A340-600.

A considerable dent if the deposits are still intact.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 33):
(Albeit with RR engines).

This is a big drawback since PR's fleet are mostly GE powered. And a non-starter if the frames are to be sourced through GECAS or bought direct by PR, sold and then leased back to them by GECAS (provided ILFC is not in the picture).....

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 4):

They will be a direct order, that said, upon delivery they may do a sale/leaseback
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 31):

A346 - would fit very well into their fleet, they already have A343s and A333s. So a good fleet commonality.

When it comes to training, you would see savings due to the cockpit commonality, but maintenance-wice - the A330/A340 don't have that much in common with the A340NG, alot of parts are different.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 31):
- I know some people will come with better economics. Now, whether this is true or not, who knows if this isn't compensated by the fleet commonilty savings. Adding only six planes of a completely new type isn't the best in those terms.

Look at what TAM did, they have a large Airbus fleet, but ordered the 77W, I guess that says it all.
 
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Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 30):

Well, flying across the Pacific from SFO or LAX to MNL means a LOT of overwater flying, and given the fairly stringent qualification requirements for PR to get ETOPS certification to fly the 777-300ER on long overwater flights, the initial procurement cost for the A340-600HGW will definitely be cheaper.

Getting ETOPS certified for 180 minutes won't take PR too much time..as they already fly A320's and A330's from NGO-KIX and A330s (with 744's) from MNL-NRT..which are 1420nm/1645nm respectively..basically all of it is over water...

Quoting KL808 (Reply 33):
The real question is, do the deposit still exist, or has Boeing gradually taken some if not all of the deposits due to PR's lack of payment back in the late 90's.

that we dont' know...at least I dont...

Quoting Thorben (Reply 31):
A346 - would fit very well into their fleet, they already have A343s and A333s. So a good fleet commonality.



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 34):
This is a big drawback since PR's fleet are mostly GE powered.

There are savings on both ends..engine commonality favours the B77W and fleet commonality favours the A346..
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Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 36):
Quoting KL808 (Reply 33):
The real question is, do the deposit still exist, or has Boeing gradually taken some if not all of the deposits due to PR's lack of payment back in the late 90's.

that we dont' know...at least I dont...

The key here is if PR's Boeing fleet was acquired from Boeing. IINM, those were bought second hand. Did they have to assume payment balances still outstanding to Boeing?

And the 773ERs won't immediately be orphans, as PR still have the 747s, - although they were reported as wanting to phase those out.

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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 36):
Getting ETOPS certified for 180 minutes won't take PR too much time..as they already fly A320's and A330's from NGO-KIX and A330s (with 744's) from MNL-NRT..which are 1420nm/1645nm respectively..basically all of it is over water...

there is nothing between the Japan mainland and MNL which would necessitate any etops procedures, there are these bodies of land called Okinawa and Taiwan where airports are very capable of handling those planes and less than an hour from any direct routing. Now if they are flying to GUM or HNL thats a totally different matter.
 
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Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:35 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 38):
there is nothing between the Japan mainland and MNL which would necessitate any etops procedures, there are these bodies of land called Okinawa and Taiwan where airports are very capable of handling those planes and less than an hour from any direct routing. Now if they are flying to GUM or HNL thats a totally different matter.

They fly to both, with an A320 to GUM.... Wink

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 37):
The key here is if PR's Boeing fleet was acquired from Boeing. IINM, those were bought second hand. Did they have to assume payment balances still outstanding to Boeing?

I have no clue at all... no 

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Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:59 pm

According to Aviation Daily, PAL will sign for the 773ER.

Plans are to acquire 2+2 options directly from Boeing, plus an additional two airframes from an unspecified lessor.
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:24 pm

Quoting KL808 (Reply 18):
But Boeing was one of those creditors. Basically thats what I meant. Boeing probably took some, if not all of the monies.

I would assume that if the deposits are gone, the orders are gone, but Boeing still lists the orders as outstanding, so can we assume that the deposits are still in place?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 39):
They fly to both, with an A320 to GUM...

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good ETOPS rant. It's the only quad argument left, and some people cling to it. PR could fly to LAX or SFO with ETOPS 120 if they had to, adding about 100nm to the trip. If the cost is lower, it would be worth it. I doubt they'll have to worry.
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Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:57 pm

Is ETOPS applied internationally or each country can "misuse" Etops rules? I ask because Philippenes authories could or could not allow 77W to fly without ETOP. True there is a risk involved, but they might be low.
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Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 41):
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good ETOPS rant. It's the only quad argument left, and some people cling to it. PR could fly to LAX or SFO with ETOPS 120 if they had to, adding about 100nm to the trip. If the cost is lower, it would be worth it. I doubt they'll have to worry.

I think that concept somehow got lost in my comments..but you are correct...PR could easily fly to SFO/LAX with the most basics of ETOPS regulations...
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Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 40):
According to Aviation Daily, PAL will sign for the 773ER.

Thanks for that info, Laxintl. I seldom see posts from you lately.

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Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 42):
Is ETOPS applied internationally or each country can "misuse" Etops rules? I ask because Philippenes authories could or could not allow 77W to fly without ETOP.

Commercial airlines had been flying internationally from the Philippines with a good safety record long before Qatar had its own. I suggest that you read up on ETOPS as the implication that local authorities could "misuse" the rules is unwarranted.
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 40):
Plans are to acquire 2+2 options directly from Boeing, plus an additional two airframes from an unspecified lessor. The firm Boeing aircraft are due to start arriving in 2009, the leased pair in 2010, and the optioned pair in 2011.

I wonder if two of those birds are from the 15 GECAS just ordered?

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 42):
Is ETOPS applied internationally or each country can "misuse" ETOPS rules? I ask because Philippine authorities could or could not allow 77W to fly without ETOPS. True there is a risk involved, but they might be low.

Even if the Philippine authorities were brazen enough to allow Philippine Airlines to get away with "bending" the rules (and PAL suffered a lack-of-judgement to agree), I imagine word would eventually leak out and the US and EU (amongst others) would ban PAL twins from serving their countries until they were back in compliance.

Therefore, I don't believe it would happen.
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:00 am

realistically how long would they have to run those new 77Ws around regional routes and get etops certified before they would be able to use them on transpac flights?
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:06 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 46):
realistically how long would they have to run those new 77Ws around regional routes and get etops certified before they would be able to use them on transpac flights?

You are assuming they are not ETOPS certified (I don't know either), but as using your argument, they already fly A320's to GUM...hence, there is a good chance ETOPS certification won't be a problem...
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 46):
realistically how long would they have to run those new 77Ws around regional routes and get etops certified before they would be able to use them on transpac flights?

PR should already be ETOPS certified. They used to use their A330s to HNL quite regularly on extra section flights. Since they should have an ETOPS program and the 77W is already ETOPS ready straight from the factory, PR would be able to use the 77W on ETOPS routes right away.
 
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RE: PAL A346/B773ER Decision Due Next Week

Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 45):
I wonder if two of those birds are from the 15 GECAS just ordered?

From all indications, none are part of the GECAS UFOs.
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