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US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:28 am

Something that has really got me thinking about this merger is why would US, if successful, keep the Delta name instead of the US Airways name?

While I understand that Delta, even in bankruptcy, is the bigger airline, "Delta" is the MOST regional of all the corporate titles in the industry. It doesn't even represent the United States so much as a small region of the country. On the other hand, "US Airways" screams "international airline based in, or can take you to the, United States." No shock there, since the whole name change was iirc take from British Airways - a name with the same cachet.

So, your thoughts: why keep Delta? Isn't US Airways the "better" name for the global airline that this merged entity would become?
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:47 am

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
So, your thoughts: why keep Delta? Isn't US Airways the "better" name for the global airline that this merged entity would become?

Since Parker is obviously trying to build the national flag airline of the USA with this ill advised fiasco I agree. It will take a democratic congress and a democratic president to bail the mess he creates out and be nationalized (headed by newly elected senator Bernard Sanders of VT!--a devout socialist). I say name this forthcoming mess Parker has proposed AirUSA as opposed to AirCanada (once upon a time a crown corporation--until the Canucks became more economically enlightened!).
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:50 am

Let me precursor this by saying I hope this "merger" doesn't happen.

That said, US/HP is a crap airline that has always had a bad reputation. When one thinks of US, they think of delayed flights on the east coast, dirty and old planes, and baggage meltdowns at PHL. Plus, US isn't really known outside of the USA, other than a few Carribbean markets and a few select European cities.

DL on the other hand, has a better reputation for service, and also, is much better known outside of the USA (and even is much better known inside the USA).
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
On the other hand, "US Airways" screams "international airline based in, or can take you to the, United States."

Why is that? I think it's the opposite. Delta is known a lot more internationally. The name is definitely recognized more easily.

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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 4:56 am

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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 2):
Let me precursor this by saying I hope this "merger" doesn't happen.

That said, US/HP is a crap airline that has always had a bad reputation. When one thinks of US, they think of delayed flights on the east coast, dirty and old planes, and baggage meltdowns at PHL. Plus, US isn't really known outside of the USA, other than a few Caribbean markets and a few select European cities.

DL on the other hand, has a better reputation for service, and also, is much better known outside of the USA (and even is much better known inside the USA).

Couldn't agree with you more. When I think of USAir, I think of an airline that is right there hand in hand with NW, for having overly zealous unions that live in their little fantasyland and agitate for anything and the impossible and always want more. USAir workers have such a bad-a$$ attitude that will for sure lose my bags and for sure won't work quickly to correct a technical glitch on an a/c since it would be against the slightest union rule to do so, and the flight will be delayed far longer than is needed.
The best thing for HP to have done would have been to let US die last year and liquidate as it was very quickly headed that direction if overcapacity is such a heated issue as Doug Parker likes to tout-off about. Going into this down cycle, both US and NW were the two that deserved to die and reduce overcapacity if that is such an issue.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
While I understand that Delta, even in bankruptcy, is the bigger airline, "Delta" is the MOST regional of all the corporate titles in the industry. It doesn't even represent the United States so much as a small region of the country. On the other hand, "US Airways" screams "international airline based in, or can take you to the, United States." No shock there, since the whole name change was iirc take from British Airways - a name with the same cachet.

So, your thoughts: why keep Delta? Isn't US Airways the "better" name for the global airline that this merged entity would become?

Delta is a globally recognized name in every way, service, reliability and scope, especially once their Asian expansion kicks into gear. US Airways, OTOH, has a severely tarnished name and image, which Parker and company will have to work serious overtime and then some to rehabilitate. It's better to change the name or acquire someone and rename the company. While I'll certainly miss US Airways/USAir, it's better than the status quo. The other LCCs will certainly keep things interesting. Why does everyone think that $79 tickets with oil possibly being $80 a barrel can possibly make money?
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:06 am

I think its because the Delta fan boys' heads will explode if the Delta name disappears and Parker doesn't want to be responsible for mass-genocide.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:15 am

It has nothing to do with who is better at customer service, better baggage handling stats, etc..

It boils down to name brand recognition. Like it was said earlier, DL is known more around the world (through places it flys to and acquiring of PA's routes to name two things) than US is.

US would be more than wise to keep the DL name. Widget and all.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:16 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 2):
That said, US/HP is a crap airline that has always had a bad reputation.

AAAAMMMMMMMEEEEEEENNNNNN!!!!!!!! Couldnt have said it better RwSEA!!! The US cheerleaders talk about how the airlines arent charities. I do recall a few years ago when US had to ask its employees to work for free for a day. They sure were singing a different tune then.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
It doesn't even represent the United States so much as a small region of the country.

While the "Delta" name ostensibly only refers to the Mississippi delta, the phrase is indelibly associated with the U.S. south as a whole. That's not a "small" region.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 2):
Let me precursor this by saying I hope this "merger" doesn't happen.

That said, US/HP is a crap airline that has always had a bad reputation. When one thinks of US, they think of delayed flights on the east coast, dirty and old planes, and baggage meltdowns at PHL. Plus, US isn't really known outside of the USA, other than a few Carribbean markets and a few select European cities.

DL on the other hand, has a better reputation for service, and also, is much better known outside of the USA (and even is much better known inside the USA).

Agree 100%. That says it all.

I also hope this merger winds up where it belongs, in the garbage pail.
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
It boils down to name brand recognition.

Sorry, but "USA" and "US" (the characters, not the airline) has more recognition than does the word "Delta"

While Delta has built a brand in Europe and South America, they have no presence in Asia (basically) nor does US Airways.

It makes no sense to me to see the name US Airways disappear in favor of Delta Airlines. Anyway, it's not going to happen either way...
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
It doesn't even represent the United States so much as a small region of the country.

Look at Northwest. Continental. United. None of them say "United States". But what they do have is name recognition of a US carrier overseas. US Airways flies to a few cities in Europe, the Caribbean, a few Mexican destinations and a few Canadian cities. Not all that well known outside those places. DL, on the other hand, flies to all continents but Australia and Antarctica. Their network is ginormous compared to US's. That is the reason why DL will be kept. Delta as a name is better known. As much as a die hard US/HP employee or die hard frequent flyer would argue otherwise, the reality is DL name goes farther in terms of brand.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
It boils down to name brand recognition.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:35 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
I think of an airline that is right there hand in hand with NW, for having overly zealous unions that live in their little fantasyland and agitate for anything and the impossible and always want more.

You apparently have no idea what your talking about, the mechanics were different then the rest of the unions, pilots gave up a lot and so did the FA's, WN employees make more then most NW employees now.

Delta makes more sense, the Delta name has been around longer, and just because US has US in it, doesn't mean anything, in Asia, when people think of US airlines they think of either Northwest or United, not American. In Europe people think of Delta, to some extent Northwest with the close partnership with KLM they they have always had.
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):
It boils down to name brand recognition.

Yes. So what it REALLY boils down to, is Parker eliminating some of the competition, stealing the name and I assume the logo, and hiding behind it as if he can fool everyone into believing it's the Delta of old.  Angry All this, before the paint has even dried on his precious new US Airways planes. Yeah, it would be nice to see the name and widget survive, but it would not be the same. At least that very lame US Airways logo would finally go away. Overall though, this marriage would be like Republic of the 1980s, but worse. Does Parker know Stephen Wolf by chance?  sarcastic 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
Sorry, but "USA" and "US" (the characters, not the airline) has more recognition than does the word "Delta"

Missed my point completely. I do agree with you that USA and US does ring a bell better to people than Delta as a stand alone "word" basis. But the "name brand" of Delta as an airline. as opposed to, US Airways, is more recognised.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
they have no presence in Asia (basically

DL flies to NRT, BOM. They flew to BKK, TPE, DEL, FUL, HKG, NGO and SEL . They may not be a 'major' in Asia, like UA or NW, but their name as an airline would be more known than US Airways.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
Anyway, it's not going to happen either way...

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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
Look at Northwest. Continental. United. None of them say "United States". But what they do have is name recognition of a US carrier overseas. US Airways flies to a few cities in Europe, the Caribbean, a few Mexican destinations and a few Canadian cities. Not all that well known outside those places. DL, on the other hand, flies to all continents but Australia and Antarctica. Their network is ginormous compared to US's. That is the reason why DL will be kept. Delta as a name is better known. As much as a die hard US/HP employee or die hard frequent flyer would argue otherwise, the reality is DL name goes farther in terms of brand.

I did not know Delta flew to Arctic!!!


It is all about branding and the value a brand that is established offers. Despite US Airways recognition as an airline out of the US, it is fairly new, not well known outside and does not have the time tested endurance. On the other hand, Delta has been around a long time, with the same name and effectively with the same visual branding (I am not talking about livery changes). It is like Coca-coal, even with minor tweaks to the brand, it is effectively constant. Rebuilding a brand such as US to tout a larger image will be time consuming and costly.

Also, look at the heritage and the international routes DL serves compared to US.
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting Mptpa (Reply 17):
I did not know Delta flew to Arctic!!!

Not a continent. Good try, though.  Wink
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 2):
When one thinks of US, they think of delayed flights on the east coast, dirty and old planes, and baggage meltdowns at PHL.

Especially baggage meltdowns in Philly, where your bags are almost guaranteed to be mishandled.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 2):
DL on the other hand, has a better reputation for service, and also, is much better known outside of the USA (and even is much better known inside the USA).

That anyone in the full possession of their faculties would for a moment think that US Airways is better known domestically or internationally than Delta is simply amazing.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:29 am

Well Delta has a world reputation (my opinion) US has a strong brand in the Americans, so I think somehow a new name should incorporate these two, like
US-Delta.....

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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:47 am

What the heck are you talking about??? Delta, at least had a good reputation world wide in the nineties.
US is now trying hard to become known through out the world. But still the
Delta Brand is superior and better known!
The merger, i hope, will not happen, is just here to get rid of a great competitor.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:50 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 2):
Let me precursor this by saying I hope this "merger" doesn't happen.

That said, US/HP is a crap airline that has always had a bad reputation. When one thinks of US, they think of delayed flights on the east coast, dirty and old planes, and baggage meltdowns at PHL. Plus, US isn't really known outside of the USA, other than a few Caribbean markets and a few select European cities.

DL on the other hand, has a better reputation for service, and also, is much better known outside of the USA (and even is much better known inside the USA).

Couldn't agree with you more. When I think of USAir, I think of an airline that is right there hand in hand with NW, for having overly zealous unions that live in their little fantasyland and agitate for anything and the impossible and always want more. USAir workers have such a bad-a$$ attitude that will for sure lose my bags and for sure won't work quickly to correct a technical glitch on an a/c since it would be against the slightest union rule to do so, and the flight will be delayed far longer than is needed.
The best thing for HP to have done would have been to let US die last year and liquidate as it was very quickly headed that direction if overcapacity is such a heated issue as Doug Parker likes to tout-off about. Going into this down cycle, both US and NW were the two that deserved to die and reduce overcapacity if that is such an issue.



Quoting Charger (Reply 11):
Agree 100%. That says it all.

I also hope this merger winds up where it belongs, in the garbage pail.

Of course your opinion of these airlines is all situational. I have had many great experiences on US -- and have acquired almost 500K miles on them in my flying history.

I have had good experiences on DL but I have had bad experiences on DL as well. None of the major US airlines are consistent with service and US is no different. They are just not worthy of the bashings they take on A.net.

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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:59 am

A little off-topic, but would DL/US merger mean a monopoly on BOS-LGA-DCA shuttle market?
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting DALelite (Reply 21):
US is now trying hard to become known through out the world.

And more power to them. All the best in their quest.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 21):
But still the
Delta Brand is superior and better known!

Exactly my point. Name brand recognition. Not word recognition.

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 22):
I have had good experiences on DL but I have had bad experiences on DL as well. None of the major US airlines are consistent with service and US is no different. They are just not worthy of the bashings they take on A.net.

EXACTLY. Well put.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:03 am

I suggested earlier before people started commenting on this absurb thread that it be deleted.

Any fool knows that no matter how you try to swing it, Delta Air Lines is much more known around the world. I fail to see how two letters forming "US" has any relevance to associating an airline to a country. KLM doesn't have the word "Europe" or "Netherlands" in it but I know its a Dutch airline. TWA didn't have "USA" or "America" in its name but everyone knew it was an American airline. PANAM...same thing. So I have no idea what point junior is trying to make.

DL will be the surviving name for good reason. US Airways should have died a long time ago, even before the merger with HP. When I was little I was so afraid of USAir. I associated that name with many crashes and poor service. And it doesn't help how the former USAir completely desicrated and dismantled the wonderful Pacific Southwest Airlines and for what??? Had the retained and expanded PSA's route structure US Airways would probably be a big name airline. Now they are too busy trying to bite off more than they could ever being to chew. Get real.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
While the "Delta" name ostensibly only refers to the Mississippi delta, the phrase is indelibly associated with the U.S. south as a whole. That's not a "small" region.

Oh come on. You can't tell a southerner like myself that the word "delta" refers to the whole south.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 6):
Delta is a globally recognized name in every way

Not saying it isn't recognized. It's not even in my opinion about who is recognized MORE than the other currently. In 2 years (assuming a successful merger), that question won't matter. What will matter will be ONLY what is a better name for the new carrier? US Airways, or Delta?

In other words, what if people abroad DON'T want to go to Atlanta? :-P

"US Airways" even sounds bigger. Maybe not to airline geeks like myself and the other people who frequent this site, but to the average Joe worldwide.

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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 26):
Oh come on. You can't tell a southerner like myself that the word "delta" refers to the whole south.

I didn't say it "referred" to the whole South. I said it was indelibly associated with the whole south. As in, we Yanks think of the South when we think of the word.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 25):
I fail to see how two letters forming "US" has any relevance to associating an airline to a country.

Any fool knows that US means United States.

Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 25):
So I have no idea what point junior is trying to make.

If you can't respond civilly, maybe you should take a time out. Just relax and answer the question, dude!
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 27):
I didn't say it "referred" to the whole South. I said it was indelibly associated with the whole south. As in, we Yanks think of the South when we think of the word.

I think most northerners would disagree, but that's neither here nor there in this context.

Even so, don't you think a global airline should refer to the whole of the area it serves? I know practically all of Delta's flights go to Atlanta (and I wouldn't have been surprised if they added an ATL-ATL flight just for good measure), but is that really the image that a global airline would want to portray?
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:30 am

Hope the merger doesn't happen either - because it will mean only one thing to the flying public --- higher fares.

But if it should, I think the name USAirways would be a better 'face' for the airline that will be a worldwide carrier, than Delta - which means little in the real world.

Delta left it's southern roots and values about twelve years ago - so the name has little meaning these days.
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:48 pm

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When I was little I was so afraid of USAir. I associated that name with many crashes and poor service

I was also scared of USAir when I was little. It seemed like they were having crash after crash......Most people I know that dont know jack about Aviation always mention something about Delta when they notice me talking about Aviation. Delta's name is far more reconized than US Airways.

Man, I hope and pray this merger doesent go into effect!!!!!

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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:44 pm

Delta is an internationally recognizable name because Delta is a Greek letter/symbol. Its a Classic!

That said, I don't think the merger will work. Too much ego everywhere, plus all the anti-trust stuff.
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
It makes no sense to me to see the name US Airways disappear in favor of Delta Airlines

For what it's worth (and this drives some of us insane) the name is
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
"US Airways" screams "international airline based in, or can take you to the, United States."

Sorry to flame, but IMNSHO US Airways has no cachet. This airline can't even take you for a decent flight within the U.S., much between the U.S. and any other country. This airline is actually more (in)famous for bad service, bankruptcy, disgruntled workers, and most likely wouldn't have survived on its own if not for its merger with America West.

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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:26 pm

I phoned a number of my friends when I saw this talk of a merger here in the UK and the general concensus was hope they keep the name US Airways as to Delta Air Lines, Delta is generally felt here in the UK as a small airline with dreadful service. US Airways seems to give a better service and for most people abroad would mean it is an American Airline.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:43 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 29):
I know practically all of Delta's flights go to Atlanta (and I wouldn't have been surprised if they added an ATL-ATL flight just for good measure), but is that really the image that a global airline would want to portray?

That can't be your strongest arguement, can it? Delta seems to have been pretty successful with ATL. Do you think that AA, UA and NW have nonstops to 50 cities in the United States from destinations overseas? NO - AA flies to JFK, ORD, DFW, MIA; UA to ORD (with AA, I might add), DEN, IAD, LAX; NW to MSP, DTW (and these are just examples, the hot spots if you will - i don't need the flameing and complete intl route lists for AA and UA - thanks) how in the world is that any different from DL flying to JFK, ATL, LAX and CVG? - Hopefully growing to SLC in the next year or two, and with any luck, again, from LAX to Asia soon.

Do you think people overseas would chomping at the bit to fly to PHL or CLT? I don' think so. How many to times do we see posts on here about "please US, start growing PIT again" - there's an international destination of choice.

Before the realization of overcapacity and operating routes just to hold on to them, DL had Intl gateways at PDX and LAX - had a few Intl routes from DFW over the years (I think most people know why that wasn't working) and have cut back Intl flying to CVG - If you can fill up A/C with less frequency and fewer central connecting points (i think thats why we call them "hubs" or "focus cities" these days), than why should we be flying Intl A/C all over the country?

Delta Air Lines is definately a much more globally recognized airline than US Airways (or USAir, or Piedmont, or Republic, or America West - whichever one it is this week). Not as recognized in some places as UA or AA (yet), but definately more than US.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:50 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
It doesn't even represent the United States so much as a small region of the country.

While the "Delta" name ostensibly only refers to the Mississippi delta, the phrase is indelibly associated with the U.S. south as a whole. That's not a "small" region.

You guys are some of the very few who understand the meaning behind the Delta name. Folks on here may know it but I would say that 99% of the people out there have no clue what it means and stands for. At the end of the day Delta has a more well known and better brand recognition. I do not want this merger to happen but heaven forbid it does I'll be glad the Delta name carries on.

One correction though...the name doesn't come from the Mississippi delta but instead the Delta region of west-central Mississippi and northeastern Louisiana close to Monroe, LA that is part of the Yazoo River delta region where it dumps into the Mississippi.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting UPSMD11 (Reply 22):

I have had good experiences on DL but I have had bad experiences on DL as well. None of the major US airlines are consistent with service and US is no different. They are just not worthy of the bashings they take on A.net.

While I understand the strong ties to an old carrier like Delta, all of a sudden when coupled with US Airways Delta becomes an airline wrapped in gold. Since when did DL become such an amazing carrier?

Since when did US become so terrible? I have flown US quite alot of times internationally and domestically. I have never had a problem with US Airways. Maybe I had good luck. Old and dirty airplanes? I have flown on their old 733s, 734s, and a few of their 757s. Trust for those of you who have never been on these airplanes don't listen to the 'old talk' as they are not that bad at all. I mean have you flown on Americans 757s? The ones usually used around MIA and SJU? I have duct tape holding pieces together on those airplanes. In many instances the US 733s were in better condition. And then they have a pretty large airbus fleet and those birds are very much in order.

I am saying all this to say that save for the dramatic situatiuons at times at PHL (I am sure other hubs have experiences hard times) US Airways ia a very typical US carrier. I am not from the US, but whether I fly US, AA, DL they all seem very similar to me. On the flights I have taken with AA, some of the ground staff and flight attendents were the most unfriendly people I have ever met, but hey just do your job, I don't care. On the contrary I have met really nice US Airways people who have went all out to help me in tight situations, or cheerful older FA's on board.

Summary? US Airways is not a terrible airline and in reality it is not any different to the majority of US carriers. The only thing we should be worried about where this is merger is concerned, is if it can succeed in terms of fleet, staff and profitablity. The US/HP situation is not rectified as yet I shudder to think the drama involved in a merger with a carrier as big as DL.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 2):
Let me precursor this by saying I hope this "merger" doesn't happen.

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Thank goodness!! This is probably the worst proposed merger I have heard of. I just think they won't mesh well together. On the other hand, a DL/NW merger I think would be good because they have the presence in the north (DTW, MSP) the south-east (ATL) and out west (SLC).
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:40 am

If the merger does happen, this would be the 4th livery in 15 years for Delta aircraft. That is what you call wasting money.
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 16):
Missed my point completely.

You need to differentiate between when someone doesn't agree that your point is the most important factor, and when they "miss" it. I didn't miss your point at all. My take is that the overall recognition of the term US Airways would be more valuable as a brand name going forward even though Delta has built a brand in some countries.

Ten years from now, no matter what name is chosen, it will have established it's own "brand loyalty" (assuming it doesn't fail). But then, when entering new markets, which name has more value?
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:53 am

Five years ago, when Comcast merged with AT&T Broadband, they said that the new company would be called AT&T Comcast. But once the big guys at 15th and Market had full control, they announced that the name would remain Comcast.

Maybe the same thing will happen here....
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
Look at Northwest. Continental. United. None of them say "United States".

Of those, I'd say only Northwest does not have a "global" sounding name. Continental and United are clearly expansive names. I'll throw another few in there for you: Western, and especially Piedmont. Remember, Piedmont was the international airline, and USAir was not - but they wisely chose to keep the USAir name when they merged. Piedmont is a name very much like Delta - it refered to just a small area of the Midatlantic while USAir was a much more national name.

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 34):
This airline is actually more (in)famous for bad service, bankruptcy, disgruntled workers, and most likely wouldn't have survived on its own if not for its merger with America West.

Not really. There are an awful lot of people that fly only US Airways, or choose US Airways over others when possible. The 5 crashes are ancient history, and pretty irrelevant to today's conversation (especially when you consider fault). BTW, has Delta survived? They are in bankruptcy, after all.

I think people are allowing their emotional attachment or dislike for the airlines to get in the way of logic.

Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Reply 36):
Delta seems to have been pretty successful with ATL.

I haven't said anything about Delta's success with routes... although they are successful enough to be bankrupt. I think you missed the point though: Atlanta is a great place, but BARELY a world destination. (SLC certainly isn't. Philly on the other hand is.) To a world audience, ATL is just a stopover to get to where they actually want to be.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 38):
Since when did DL become such an amazing carrier?
Since when did US become so terrible?

When Delta employees started posting on this board.  Wink Seriously, it's all exaggerated. To be sure, I have heard positive things about Delta, although I fly them rarely. As a NW elite, I flew them when NW didn't take me where I wanted to go. For the most part, they're fine. I've had only positive experiences with US Airways. As for old planes, I'm sorry, but are you talking about US? DL still flew 732s until earlier this year. US is mostly new Airbuses. But again, this discussion isn't about what's the "better airline" because arguments can be made for both. The discussion is about what name should endure. US is not a bad airline, and even if it were, it isn't bad enough that they should hide the name, a la ValuJet.

Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Reply 36):
Do you think people overseas would chomping at the bit to fly to PHL or CLT?

Do you think people overseas are chomping at the bit to fly to Atlanta, or *cough* Salt Lake City? I know you're from Atlanta, but even you must realize that it is not a world class city, while Philly certainly is.
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:29 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 43):
Not really. There are an awful lot of people that fly only US Airways, or choose US Airways over others when possible. The 5 crashes are ancient history, and pretty irrelevant to today's conversation (especially when you consider fault). BTW, has Delta survived? They are in bankruptcy, after all.

I believe not too long ago US Airways was in the same boat. In fact, even more so. Remeber this:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/usair_bankruptcy.html

And what about this:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...mi_qn4155/is_20041229/ai_n12573192

And dont say its ancient history, because this was less than 2 Years ago.

Quoting D L X (Reply 43):
I know you're from Atlanta, but even you must realize that it is not a world class city, while Philly certainly is.

Thats a matter of opinion.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:33 am

It's very simple. The Delta trademark is known for high quality service. Recently things have run amok, but Delta has a, what, 75+ year history of high quality service.

USAirways has never been seen as much more than mediocre in terms of service.

Makes sense to me.
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 2):

Wow thanks man..."crap airline," so who do you work for? And what does your crap opinion have to do with the name anyways?
 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 30):
Delta left it's southern roots and values about twelve years ago - so the name has little meaning these days.

That may have been true of the management philosophy, but not of every single employee. I have seen it in action.

Quoting Teixeim (Reply 32):
Delta is an internationally recognizable name because Delta is a Greek letter/symbol. Its a Classic!

Interesting take, though I have never heard that before from a passenger.

Quoting DALOCCDtyDrctr (Reply 33):
For what it's worth (and this drives some of us insane) the name is
Delta "Air Lines" - three seperate words - not "airlines" -   

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Quoting D L X (Reply 43):
Piedmont is a name very much like Delta - it refered to just a small area of the Midatlantic while USAir was a much more national name.

This is true, but I think marketing people sometimes make the mistake of sticking with a known brand name for something much more vauge. All of the components of US Airways: Allegheny, Piedmont and PSA had brand recognition. I liked all three. In a day and age when companies are given some of the most obtuse, dumb, names like Accenture, I would think that US Airways would seem a bit mundane. I actually do not mind the name US Airways so much as the bland logo. How anyone thought that was a good logo, I don't know.  confused 
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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 45):
It's very simple. The Delta trademark is known for high quality service.

What are you talking about? Where is this trademark known for high quality service? Are we talking about Emirates, Singapore or British Airways? To bring it closer to home, are we talking about Continental Airlines? While airline choice is really just that, choice, to say that Delta is renowned for its high quality service whereas US Airways is mediocre in terms of service is silly. I have never flown US in the days or US Air (not that it really matters in the present scheme of things), but I know US Airways, and I yet to see the issues so many on this site have with the airline. I have had much more complaints with DL and AA than I have had with US quite honestly. BTW American is my airline of choice.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 44):

I believe not too long ago US Airways was in the same boat. In fact, even more so. Remeber this:

Not that it matters now, as they can call some shots now, they have the 8Bill to prove it too. 

Personally I don't a US/DL merger makes a lot of sense, I must admit. But for reasons such as route and hub redundancy, and the fact the US/HP is hardly a settled matter, that in itself is still being worked out. SO for these reasons and from my point of view the 'armchair CEO'  I think this merger is not such a fantastic idea. But to say that US is not a good candidate because DL is such and amazing airline and US is too crappy, is ludicrous to say the least.

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RE: US/DL: Why Keep The Delta Name?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting Captaink (Reply 48):
Not that it matters now, as they can call some shots now, they have the 8Bill to prove it too.

My point is that not long ago US was in the same boat and US was given a chance to get out of it. They are in a better place then they were then, and if DL comes out stand alone, who knows where they will be in a couple of year? Maybe on top of the industry.

I just think its hypocritcal for people to come out and say US is great because they arent in bankruptcy and DL has no future because they are. Dont forget that part (if not most) of that will be in stock, which could be worth toilet paper in a year.
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