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Question About German LoCo's...

Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:21 am


I would like to know if Air Berlin is TUI owned, I know they have bought DBA but doubt if they are a TUI owned company. If they are not, does anyone know if TUI have made an offer for the company? (the fact that DBA recently added "fly" to the beginning of their name suggests they might have been...)

Do TUI own any LoCos in Germany? I know Condor are Lufthansa-related, and have a feeling Germanwings are also accociated with Lufthansa...?

Hapag are on their tod, I think, and are merging Hapag Express with their main airline.

So, the main question above all is: do TUI own any airline in Germany, if they do, which ones. If they don't, isn't this a market they are missing in? Have they missed their chance or are they ok?

Cheers to any helpful replies, I know its a lot of questions in one post Smile

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RE: Question About German LoCo's...

Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:48 am

Oh dear...
just done some googling and good old wkipedia put me straight...
Germany based, and owns Hapag. How embarrased am I?

But still, do Air Berlin pose a threat, or Condor or LTU or anyone else in Germany? They seem very intent on spreading in other parts of Europe,, but their growth seems limited in Germany? Is this the case? Does LH have a big impact on sales either?

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RE: Question About German LoCo's...

Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:35 am

well, at the moment the four major players in the German charter (not LoCo!) market are Condor, LTU, Hapagfly and Air Berlin... not too long ago they roughly had a quarter of the market each, IIRC...

I guess the situation has somewhat changed in recent years with LTU falling back and Air Berlin growing (by itself as well as by the acquisition of dba). Condor's and Hapagfly's market shares should have been pretty steady, I think. Recently there are roumors of AB potentially taking HF over from TUI (or them merging under ABs leadership...), as TUI is reported to consider withdrawing from the German air transport market and concentrating on their core business (package holidays). They have started to do so by merging their LoCo Hapag-Lloyd-Express (hlx) into Hapagfly now.

With hlx and dba disappearing there remain Germanwings (subsidiary of Lufthansa's subsidiary Eurowings), Ryanair and Easyjet as major players in the German LoCo market (AB has it's share as well by way of their City-Shuttles, but they are largely seen as still being more a charter carrier than a LoCo).
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