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B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:43 pm

Does anyone know what gate/gates B6 will be using when the come to ORD in January?

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:10 am

One of the TV stations reported that jetBlue will use Gate E8 in Terminal 2 at ORD (the former America West gate).
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:19 am

Was covered here. Also mentions ex America West gate.

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.main/3063867/
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:52 am

US is still (as of this week) using E8. Where are they going to put the third airplane when they need a third gate?
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:58 am

So if Jetblue has a gate and facilities at ORD, other then landing slots are there any other factors holding B6 back from growing. I knwo the landing slots are hotly contested, and are all allocated, but is there even gate space if B6 were to want to increase operations in a few years?

Competition and route performance will be the true evaluation factor in expansion and such, but surely there are more obstacles in the way. Other then AA and UA not wanting there routes competed on!

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting GoBlue (Reply 4):
So if Jetblue has a gate and facilities at ORD, other then landing slots are there any other factors holding B6 back from growing. I know the landing slots are hotly contested, and are all allocated, but is there even gate space if B6 were to want to increase operations in a few years?

LGB and JFK are offered by B6 just to have a small presence in CHI to cater to their customer base in NY and around LGB. Essentially, this is what it's about. B6 shouldn't and probably does not want to do any more than that in CHI. I can't hardly speak for the powers that be at B6, but it seems obvious to me.

So, to answer your question, gates are not available (or B6 would have more) and probably will not be available for B6 future expansion nor should B6 want additional gates.

I would be surprised if these routes produce any more than break even results, matter-of-fact, I would be surprised at break even.

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:47 am

I believe NW is giving up a gate, look for US to move to E5 or 7. I think there's already a new US logo on one of the NW bridges.
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting Tedex (Reply 6):
I believe NW is giving up a gate, look for US to move to E5 or 7. I think there's already a new US logo on one of the NW bridges.

Yeah, I forgot about that. NW has shared E7 forever. Privatair has used that gate from time to time, and the only time NW really needs it is for RON. How many birds does US RON?
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:40 am

I cant see B6 doing that well at ORD.Most AA pax going to JFK connect
to AA international flights.Business travelers on AA/UA like LGA better.
This entry into the Chicago ORD market is more talk than substance.
AA and UA will atleast match or beat the B6 fares.Also what about the B6 interline agreement or lack of.B6 belongs at MDW,not ORD.
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:26 am

Any chance B6 would consider ORD-Florida routes if and when they get established from JFK and LGB?
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:54 pm

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 9):
Any chance B6 would consider ORD-Florida routes if and when they get established from JFK and LGB?

Chicago-Florida is a bloodbath. Why would they want to get involved?
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:21 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
Chicago-Florida is a bloodbath. Why would they want to get involved?

Yea its already full with WN, NK, FL, UA, AA, etc on Chicago-Florida routes. The NYC and LA to ORD routes make sense because its going after business and leisure travelers which is what they want to start aiming for, business and leisure crowds. Florida is to crowded from ORD/MDW and it would be tough to break into that.

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 11):
business and leisure crowds

What other crowds are there?

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):
What other crowds are there?

No, opposed to just leisure from what they started as aiming for.

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:19 pm

I've been told that they will use E10...
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:33 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
US is still (as of this week) using E8. Where are they going to put the third airplane when they need a third gate?

That's still being negotiated. Part of HP giving back the counter space in Terminal two was gate E-8, it was a package deal for B6.
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 15):
Part of HP giving back the counter space in Terminal two was gate E-8, it was a package deal for B6.

There are 2 US RONs and 1 HP RON, right? So at least for that, they need three gates (I don't believe F8 and F10 can accomodate 3 aircraft, even if one is just on a stand).
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:14 am

US/HP has been RONing 4 aircraft, on F6, F8, F10 and E8. E6 was given back to CO and F6 is borrowed from UX for RON use (For US east metal). E8 is not really RON, because they bring a plane in at like 2:30am and send it back to PHX at 5am, then get a flight from LAS at 5:30am an back out at 8:30am. They get great utilization on the HP side of the operation. 6 PHX/4LAS all to E8
6 CLT/5PHL/4PIT to F9-F10 so not as good on the US side. I am not sure why they need 4 gates, they are so efficant.

NW has dropped to 4 RONs and has given up E7 to US/HP although I have never seens an aircraft on the gate even though their logo is on the bridge now. I think there was talk of E8 going to CO and E4 going to B6, because its on the otherside of the tug tunnel under the concourse. This would give CO uninterupted gates from E6-E14 (Evens).
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:26 am

what about Spirit (NK), what gate do they use?
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 18):
what about Spirit (NK), what gate do they use?

DL handles them, generally (though not always) out of L7 or L9.
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting SilentObserver (Reply 17):
NW has dropped to 4 RONs

Doesn't NW overnight 934, 142, 144, 1245, and 1247?
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:04 am

what about DL? they have all that space over in L, are they perhaps giving up a gate?
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:27 am

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 21):
what about DL? they have all that space over in L, are they perhaps giving up a gate?

Delta has subleased half of their 10 gates on L Concourse to AA. If I remember correctly I believe that the sublease runs through 2014.
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting Ordpark (Reply 14):
I've been told that they will use E10...

hopefully that'll be our gate cause thats works for me! get a nice java boost in the middle of turning my flight from Starbucks!!

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:05 pm

whats a RON?

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting Boeing 747-311 (Reply 24):
whats a RON?

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:43 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):

You're right. From the people I know there....that minor detail hasn't been resolved. Maybe there's room on the Delta gates (kidding).

I was through there last weekend and they have started reconstruction on the US ticket counter. I think they will only have 8 "model T" kiosks (16 total), and 4 full service counter positions....quite a drastic decrease in what they now have seperately.
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:21 pm

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 5):
LGB and JFK are offered by B6 just to have a small presence in CHI to cater to their customer base in NY and around LGB. Essentially, this is what it's about. B6 shouldn't and probably does not want to do any more than that in CHI. I can't hardly speak for the powers that be at B6, but it seems obvious to me.

Actually, B6 had said for some time that they wanted 4 or 5 gates, so that ORD could be a focus city. So, starting at ORD with 1 gate caught some people by surprise.

I think that B6 will have a rough time of it. There are a number of Chicago flyers that use either AA or UA, because their employers have contracts.

Here's something to think about. When B6 was flying out of ATL to OAK and LGB, DL moved its LAX and SFO departures to Concourse T. I assume that B6 was out on C or D.

AA might very well start putting departures to LGA, EWR, HPN, JFK, LAX, and/or SNA as close to the security checkpoints as possible on Concourses H and K, and UA might put these departures regularly on Concourse B.
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:42 pm

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):
What other crowds are there?

The a.net crowds?

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 27):
Actually, B6 had said for some time that they wanted 4 or 5 gates, so that ORD could be a focus city.

LOL, and how fast do you think UA/AA would respond to those routes?
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:47 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 28):
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 27):
Actually, B6 had said for some time that they wanted 4 or 5 gates, so that ORD could be a focus city.

LOL, and how fast do you think UA/AA would respond to those routes?

Oh, I agree, although some people though B6 was going to come in with a significant operation, when UA's exit from Chaper 11 looked a little iffy.
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:11 am

I wonder if the DL/ US merger goes through , what does that do for available slots and gates.

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 30):
I wonder if the DL/ US merger goes through , what does that do for available slots and gates.

Most likely the merged carrier would abandon decrepit Terminal 2 and would operate out of Delta's L Concourse Gates since they are newer (Opened 1990) and have a Crown Club. The new Delta would also have to opportunity to gain 5 more gates L Concourse in 2014 when a sublease with AA expires.

Moving US to L would open up several gates in Terminal 2. Generally when an airline merges or folds at ORD the City of Chicago Department of Aviation generally awards gates to airlines based on their tenure at the airport. For example when TWA folded HP got rights to its gate since it had operated at ORD for years but had to sublease from NW. Right now the non aligned domestic carriers operating at ORD that are subleasing gates from other airlines or the City of of Chicago in order of tenure are Spirit, USA 3000 and jetBlue. All of these carriers would have the opportunity to pick up 1-2 preferential use gates if a DL/US merger happens.
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 27):
AA might very well start putting departures to LGA, EWR, HPN, JFK, LAX, and/or SNA as close to the security checkpoints as possible on Concourses H and K, and UA might put these departures regularly on Concourse B.

UA LGA and EWR flights already do as they are Business 1 destinations.

Quoting AirportPlan (Reply 31):
Right now the non aligned domestic carriers operating at ORD that are subleasing gates from other airlines or the City of of Chicago in order of tenure are Spirit, USA 3000 and jetBlue. All of these carriers would have the opportunity to pick up 1-2 preferential use gates if a DL/US merger happens.

Is NK unhappy with their current setup? U5 might not be either as being over in M keeps all of their flights together.
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 32):
Is NK unhappy with their current setup? U5 might not be either as being over in M keeps all of their flights together

NK or U5 might choose to stay at their current locations. But U5 in particular operates at the will of the International carriers who have first rights on gates at Terminal 5 because in most cases they must arrive at there. Being the prime gate lessee rather than the sublease gives an airline more flexibility in choosing arrival and departure times that are more suited to their schedule. Historically sublease's at ORD have often been extorted by lessor airlines who often charge them much more than what they are paying to the City of Chicago. NW has a past reputation at ORD of doing this because they were one of the few airlines at ORD with excess gate capacity.
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting AirportPlan (Reply 33):
NW has a past reputation at ORD of doing this because they were one of the few airlines at ORD with excess gate capacity.

Just out of curiousity, to whom has NW done this?
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 34):
Quoting AirportPlan (Reply 33):
NW has a past reputation at ORD of doing this because they were one of the few airlines at ORD with excess gate capacity.

Just out of curiousity, to whom has NW done this?

IIRC, NW or CO (I can't remember which one) subleased one of their ORD gates to Independence Air during their brief existence.
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 34):
Just out of curiousity, to whom has NW done this?

TWA before their demise.
 
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 35):
IIRC, NW or CO (I can't remember which one) subleased one of their ORD gates to Independence Air during their brief existence.

Continental subleased the gate, i think it was gate E12
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 12):
Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 11):
business and leisure crowds

What other crowds are there?

Those are the main two crowds - but there are students, aviation fans, and last-minute, NON business travelers.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 28):
Quoting Ckfred (Reply 27):
Actually, B6 had said for some time that they wanted 4 or 5 gates, so that ORD could be a focus city.

LOL, and how fast do you think UA/AA would respond to those routes?

Maybe as fast as they responded on other competing routes (JFK/BOS/IAD-LGB/OAK)?? No one thought those routes would work for jetBlue but they in deed worked and continue to work very well.

Quoting Boeing 747-311 (Reply 24):
whats a RON?

Rest Over Night - the plane comes in for its last flight of the day, and sits on the ramp or at a gate over night. Usually planes are cleaned and/or light MX is occurs during these off hours.
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting Jetbluenyfl (Reply 38):
Maybe as fast as they responded on other competing routes (JFK/BOS/IAD-LGB/OAK)?? No one thought those routes would work for jetBlue but they in deed worked and continue to work very well.

But thos are not AA/UA fortresses. Anytime someone comes into the DAL/DFW market, AA usually chases them out with excess capacity. I for one, do hope this happens in B6's case. I stand to make more money anytime AA chases someone away.
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 37):
Continental subleased the gate, i think it was gate E12

I don't think it was subleased. I was under the impression that it was just a handling agreement a la DL and NK.
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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:25 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
Doesn't NW overnight 934, 142, 144, 1245, and 1247?

going by the schedules for today, to support ops in the morning, they would need 5 RONs, but they clearly only use four gate, where can you store a plane at T2? I know NWA used to have MX at ORD for a long time, is that a possiblity? There are actually six flights which look like they would RON tonight, add #610 to your list... two in to E9 and two into E11 based on flight status for tonights ops... it looks like an extra DC9, can anyone shed light on this?

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RE: B6 ORD -- What Gate?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:48 am

I hate to dredge up an old topic, but when I was at T-2 this morning, it looked like NW stuff (i.e. a podium) was being put in to E8, though the jetway still had an HP logo on it. Also, UA Express is using E10 some, leaving CO with about 3 1/2 gates. Can they compress more than that for B6?
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