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Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:46 am

With the Football charters thread I decided to see if anyone knows who the NHL teams use for travel?

I know that the Colorado Avalanche use Frontier

Anyone know of any others?


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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:53 am

I am not 100% sure who uses them but Midwest is in YVR alot and parked at the Shell FBO. I remember a tread a while back that explained who uses this airline but i am not even going to try and search as the new search engine can not find anything. I believe AC has the contracts for most if not all the Canadian teams with there subsidy Jetz. I know 100% that the Vancouver Canucks use Jetz.
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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:02 am

The Lightning use Miami Air, and there was a Miami Air 727 sitting on the ramp at TPA when the Florida Panthers were in town, so I'd guess that they also use them.


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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:09 am

Midwest does Atlanta thrashers. The used to do the Devils. However, not sure if they still do
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:42 am

Pull up the NHL schedule then check out what teams are playing that night and where they go next, then check the Flight Trackers.

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=Schedule

http://flightaware.com/

For example the Ottawa Senators played New Jersey Devils on Friday night, then Saturday night they had a home game.

ACA7047
Air Canada "Air Canada" (Canada)
Aircraft Airbus A320 (twin-jet) (A320/Q)
Origin Newark/New York Liberty Int'l (KEWR)
Destination Ottawa Macdonald Cartier Int'l (CYOW)
Route GREKI V419 JUDDS CAM MSS CYRIL DEANS2
Date Friday, Nov 17, 2006
Duration 56 minutes
Status Arrived over 16 hours ago (track log)
Departure 11:30PM EST 11:46PM EST
Arrival 12:20AM EST 12:42AM EST
Speed 443 kts
Altitude 35000 feet

So we can see that the Ottawa Senators use Air Canada Jetz

The Colorado Avalanch played the Columbus Blue Jackets on Friday night, then Saturday night play the Minnesota Wild.

PCE2316
Piedmont Aviation Services, Inc. D/B/A Pace Airlines "Pace"
Aircraft Boeing 757-200 (twin-jet) (B752/J)
Origin Port Columbus Int'l (KCMH)
Destination Minneapolis St Paul Int'l (KMSP)
Route TRAKK J30 MOPER J84 OBK J89 BAE EAU8
Date Friday, Nov 17, 2006
Duration 1 hour 29 minutes
Status Arrived over 17 hours ago (track log)
Departure 10:30PM EST 10:50PM EST
Arrival 11:04PM CST 11:19PM CST
Speed 461 kts
Altitude 38000 feet

So it would appear the Avalanch use PACE (and not Frontier) at least this time anyway.

etc., etc., etc.,

Now get to work all you aerogeek hockey fans and compile a complete list.
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:33 pm

Quoting AirEMS (Thread starter):
I know that the Colorado Avalanche use Frontier

Your archrivals...er...well...in the late '90s...have their own a/c...


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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:47 pm

Often, teams playing the Bruins in Boston arrive and depart from Hanscom Field in Bedford, Massachusetts rather than from Boston's Logan. Likewise, I use Flightaware to piece it together.

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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:15 pm

The Blackhawks use United...
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:46 pm

The Avalanche used to use Northwest when they had the specially configured charter 727's, im surprised NW hasn't turned a few A320's into those.
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:59 pm

How about the Devils? Anyone know what they used to get to Toronto on Saturday and what they're using to get to Phoenix? I know in NJ they use Teterboro, what airport do they use in Toronto?
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:08 pm

Quoting Skydogs (Reply 3):
Midwest does Atlanta thrashers.

They actually used Air Canada (ACA7027) on Friday night to fly up to YUL for last night's game. They flew back from YUL on YX.

The St. Louis Blues are another one of Midwest's customers as well.
 
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Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:33 pm

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RE: Hockey Charters

Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 5):

Your archrivals...er...well...in the late '90s...have their own a/c...

And they still do...
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 9):
I know in NJ they use Teterboro, what airport do they use in Toronto?

I would be surprised if any sports (or otherwise) charter to Toronto used anything but YYZ. I believe regulations prohibit landing jets at YTZ - while it's far closer to the Air Canada Centre, many jets wouldn't be able to use the 4,000 foot runway anyways. YZD isn't really used by much of anyone other than Bombardier, I don't think. Other than all those, the only other suitable airport would probably be YHM... but that's probably 60 miles from downtown Toronto.
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting JetCaptain (Reply 4):
So it would appear the Avalanch use PACE (and not Frontier) at least this time anyway.

Actually its SportsJet, based out of Phoenix. Pace provides the crews etc and operates with a pace Flt number. Sportsjets is the carrier for the Coyotes, Diamonbacks, and Suns. Pace also provides the crews etc for the NBA's Mavericks plane.
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting MyOthrCarsA777 (Reply 13):
Quoting Sammyk (Reply 9):
I know in NJ they use Teterboro, what airport do they use in Toronto?

I would be surprised if any sports (or otherwise) charter to Toronto used anything but YYZ. I believe regulations prohibit landing jets at YTZ - while it's far closer to the Air Canada Centre, many jets wouldn't be able to use the 4,000 foot runway anyways. YZD isn't really used by much of anyone other than Bombardier, I don't think. Other than all those, the only other suitable airport would probably be YHM... but that's probably 60 miles from downtown Toronto.

Actually we fairly often get NHL charters into YHM. Depends on the arrival time. Ex if lets ya Boston Bruins played on wednesday night and then thursday they have a game in Toronto due to night restrictions in yyz they come here.
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RE: Hockey Charters

Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:15 pm

I know for a fact that AC flies the montreal Canadians around ( I know a capt on the A320 series that has been flying them a few times)
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:56 pm

I asked this in a thread about the World Series charters, but got no response:

Often in hockey, teams will play a "home and home" series, for instance St. Louis at Toronto on Tuesday, then Toronto at St. Louis on Thursday (with neither team playing on Wednesday). So, both teams need to fly YYZ-STL. Would they ever charter a flight together? Or is this simply not done?
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:37 am

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RE: Hockey Charters

Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting Chase (Reply 17):
Often in hockey, teams will play a "home and home" series, for instance St. Louis at Toronto on Tuesday, then Toronto at St. Louis on Thursday (with neither team playing on Wednesday). So, both teams need to fly YYZ-STL. Would they ever charter a flight together? Or is this simply not done?

It's not done at all. Back during the preseason, the Thrashers and Blues had a home and home and flew out of ATL within minutes of each other. They both used Midwest, but the Thrashers' flight flew into STL while the Blues' flight flew into SUS. Sometimes teams don't even fly into the main airport. The Florida Panthers flew into BED instead of BOS yesterday for tonight's game against BOS. I know that most teams that fly in to play the Isles fly into FRG instead of ISP (Mainly because it's closer to the Nassau County Mausoleum Veteran's Memorial Colosseum). Same is true in Dallas as well. Team charters will use DAL instead of DFW.
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:21 am

I saw an AC Jetz A319 or 320 a few weeks ago at CMH that brought the Calgary Flames in for the Blue Jackets game.

As for the Jackets, they have an ex-Legend Airlines DC-9 of their own:

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RE: Hockey Charters

Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:44 am

IIRC I think that NW flew the Avalanche when they were still in Quebec and for a while after they moved to Denver until Frontier started again...


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RE: Hockey Charters

Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:42 am

You couldn't get two hockey teams onto a narrowbody aircraft (maybe a 757). They have too much cargo. When a team has a long road trip even the pits in the A320 get tight.
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RE: Hockey Charters

Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:25 am

Pilotpip has got it right about about the pits of a A320 getting tight on long road trips,after doing hockey charters for 7 years and working every a/c type that have been used for them you get to know what works and what doesn't.I can say the worst I've seen was when Carolina used to chater a DC-9-15,not much room down below but we made it fit.I found that the 727-200 was the best,just because of the amount of room you had in all the pits combined,the 2nd worst was when AC Jetz first started out with the 737-200ER that they inherited from the Canadian merger,you lost an entire hold(pit #3) to the aux fuel tank.This was a real problem in pre-season play simply because the teams hadn't made thier cuts yet and we actually had to put bags in one of the rear lavs.
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:35 am

I know that the Dallas Stars and The Texas Rangers use the same Boeing 727 and it is based at Dallas Love Field. Of course almost everyone knows that the Dallas Mavericks use their own B-757.

However, that bird was in Europe earlier this week and last week. Some high $$$$ people used it to fly to Tom and Katie's wedding in Italy. The poor Mavericks had to suffer and use someone else's aircraft this week.


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RE: Hockey Charters

Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting JayDavis (Reply 24):
Some high $$$$ people used it to fly to Tom and Katie's wedding in Italy.

In the words of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons:
Worse use of a 757 ever!!

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RE: Hockey Charters

Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 20):

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The Thrashers used it yesterday to fly up to Washington D.C. for tonight's game (They'll be using Midwest to fly down to Tampa [IAD-TPA] after the game tonight).

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RE: Hockey Charters

Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting LJ35 (Reply 23):
I found that the 727-200 was the best,just because of the amount of room you had in all the pits combined,the 2nd worst was when AC Jetz first started out with the 737-200ER that they inherited from the Canadian merger,you lost an entire hold(pit #3) to the aux fuel tank.This was a real problem in pre-season play simply because the teams hadn't made thier cuts yet and we actually had to put bags in one of the rear lavs.

I'll take an AC A-320 any day over a 737-200. Skyking used to fly a bunch of the Pacific division teams around. Vancouver and San Jose would take long road trips (8+ days) since the rest of the conference was so far away. There were a couple times that I had to push the nets back while somebody pulled the pit door down. After the door was nearly closed I'd slide myself out. That sucked.
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RE: Hockey Charters

Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:49 am

Although not quite a hockey charter I worked the Rolling Stones when they came through Ottawa in August 2005 on AC Jetz.Only 28 people on were on the flight but they managed to fill a 5 ton cube truck full.We had every pit filled(A320)plus the bulk overload and we still had to put bags upstairs.Thank god the equipment arrived 2.5 hours before the pax did.It at least gave us enough time to load everything,and of course it had to be the hottest day in August,well past 40 degrees celcius with the humidex,but I'm not complaining because it was good practice for the upcoming hockey charter season due to the lockout from the year before.
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:36 am

Each member of the Toronto Maple Leafs gets their own private jet, courtesy of the Teachers Pension union and the endless supply of lemmings that go to the games.

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RE: Hockey Charters

Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:27 pm

Hey LJ,

Did you have the luxury of putting Mic's weight set in the plane? I got to find out about that case the hard way this past summer.  Smile
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RE: Hockey Charters

Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:01 pm

We(CO) fly the New Jersey Devils. Kinda obvious when the arena at the Meadowlands is the Continental Airlines Arena.

I took them down to Ft. Lauderdale a couple years ago to play the Panthers.
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RE: Hockey Charters

Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting COIAH756CA (Reply 31):
We(CO) fly the New Jersey Devils. Kinda obvious when the arena at the Meadowlands is the Continental Airlines Arena.

I took them down to Ft. Lauderdale a couple years ago to play the Panthers.

Speaking of which, what would the North Dakota Fighting Sioux hockey team have taken to Anchorage last weekend for their series against the Alaska-Anchorage Seawolves? I looked on flightaware, and there was no notice of any flights from Grand Forks to Anchorage...would they have flown commercial on Northwest, and connected in Minneapolis? Now THAT just sounds stupid...
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RE: Hockey Charters

Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:01 pm

I'm sure that one or more of the heavy boxes contained it,thank god for beltloaders is all I have to say.It was funny because U2 came through 3 months later on the exact same plane and the offload was a wopping 10 bags.Quick question Pilotpip do you work for an FBO or a handling agent?
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:36 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 32):
I looked on flightaware, and there was no notice of any flights from Grand Forks to Anchorage...would they have flown commercial on Northwest, and connected in Minneapolis? Now THAT just sounds stupid...

Typically, the only athletic program at most schools that gets chartered flights are the football team, mainly due to the sheer number of people and equipment that has to be transported. At some bigger schools, the basketball team may fly charter.
 
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RE: Hockey Charters

Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 34):
Typically, the only athletic program at most schools that gets chartered flights are the football team, mainly due to the sheer number of people and equipment that has to be transported. At some bigger schools, the basketball team may fly charter.

At approximately $800 a ticket from Grand Forks to Anchorage, plus all of those danged excess baggage charges a hockey team would have to pay, it would probably be more cost-effective at that point for the North Dakota hockey team to fly charter. Besides, couldn't Ralph Englestad offer the team his plane? After all, he has enough money...he only built the ENTIRE HOCKEY/BASKETBALL ARENA ON HIS DIME!

BTW, having been a team manager for the Seton Hall basketball team, I happen to know that Seton Hall would occasionally fly charter, based on the availability of flights and the time of day their games were. Often, in fact, the team would fly commercial to the game and charter (or, for shortish trips, bus) back, to get back in time for classes the next day.
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RE: Hockey Charters

Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 5):
Your archrivals...er...well...in the late '90s...have their own a/c...

...Gotta love the Illitch family...or Little Cesars for that matter. You almost expect the Red Wings to fly NW.
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RE: Hockey Charters

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting COIAH756CA (Reply 31):
We(CO) fly the New Jersey Devils. Kinda obvious when the arena at the Meadowlands is the Continental Airlines Arena.

Corporate sponsorships have nothing to do with what company the team uses for its charters. There are AA signs and ads all over the Scottrade Center (where the Blues "play") but they fly on Midwest. There are Southwest signs all over Busch stadium, but the Cardinals fly on AA. The Dallas Stars/Mavericks play in the American Airlines Arena, but they fly on their own aircraft. Most teams will utilize aircraft that are set up with greater seat pitch than what is offerend in your standard coach configuration because athletes are much larger. In some cases, airlines do have specially configured charter aircraft but in many cases they utilize charter companies that specialize in getting sports teams from point A to B.
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RE: Hockey Charters

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:44 am

The Nashville Predators use Midwest Airlines as well. I have a few pictures onboard their plane prior to a flight, but it is on my personal site.
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RE: Hockey Charters

Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 32):
Speaking of which, what would the North Dakota Fighting Sioux hockey team have taken to Anchorage last weekend for their series against the Alaska-Anchorage Seawolves? I looked on flightaware, and there was no notice of any flights from Grand Forks to Anchorage...would they have flown commercial on Northwest, and connected in Minneapolis? Now THAT just sounds stupid...

Most likely commercial, when Northern Michigan was a part of the WCHA, the Colorado teams used to complain about the time and effort to get to the Upper Pennisula. When both Alaska-Anchorage and Alaska-Fairbanks joined the WCHA and CCHA part of the deal was that they had to pick up the travel costs for the schools to travel to Alaska. Eariler this month UAF played Nebraska-Omaha one weekend and then NMU the next, they just spend the week in the lower 48 than travel back and forth.