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Miat (Mongolian Airlines)'s Fleet And Routes

Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:39 pm

I saw a thing about the history of Mongolia and of course in my head turned it into "I wonder what MIAT is like?".

I knew that the US had recently signed a deal with Mongolia that created better trade and diplomatic relations (opening the door for 738). It also allows for joint military training exercises. Mongolia has been changing drastically since becoming a democracy and seems to be looking for relations with lots of countries. They have tight relations with China, Korea (Thank you Hyundai) and Russia. They also have strong cultural and diplomatic relations with Japan (thank you sumo wrestlers).

So I went to the home page and was surprised at what I found. I expected some kind of cheap website but what I found was:

  • a website in 7 languages
  • on-line booking (JAL barely has that in English)
  • good information about the airline (not enough but for an average person..ok)
  • webpage with TV commercials
  • airline with a mileage/FF program
  • page about maintainence (M&E) organization (EASA approved). You can actually look at the gallery and see the maintanence done on the 737.
  • airline with in-flight movies and audio as well as a magazine in 4 languages.
  • updated schedules (but do not say what the A/C is but I assume International are with the A310))


About their fleet

Quoting http://www.miat.com/company_intro.php?companyid=1:
In June 1994, 2 B-727 aircraft were purchased from the Republic of Korea making possible to operate international flights with own aircraft.

Upon the expansion of its international operation the company became a member of SITA reservation system in 1990, and IATA International Air Transport Association in 1996.

In May 1998, one A310-300 aircraft was leased in on financial lease from Airbus Industrie Financial Services in the framework of international and domestic fleet replacement project in order to meet foreign aviation authorities noise requirement.

B737-800 aircraft was delivered on operating lease from GATX in July 2002.

So what is their fleet made up of today? Break down and such?

MIAT serves: (Active Winter Schedule)

ULN-PEK: 3x
ULN-TXL: 1X (via SVO)
ULN-SVO: 1x
ULN-NRT: 1x
ULN-IKT: 2x
ULN-ICN: 2X
They also have several domestic routes.

That seems like a limited usage of aircraft. Much of the longer flights are done with the A310-300 and domestics are done with other aircraft including the 737-800.

Just to note ULN is served by MIAT, Aero Mongolia, Aeroflot, Air China, Korean Airlines, and JAL (Seasonal)

What is the potential market for Mongolia?
What is the future fleet possibilities for MIAT?
What are future routes for MIAT?
Has anyone here on A.net ever flown on Miat?
Why so few photos of MIAT...seems like it would be one of those "rare" birds that people would want to photograph? (not in photo search...less than 50 picts of MIAT planes in database most dating before 2000)

I know this thread is doomed to a quick and sudden death due to its obscurity but I thought it might be fun to discuss something besides US/DL or LCC new routes to small cities.
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:57 pm

As tourism takes off in Mongolia i expect to see MIAT expand .. Have seem quite a few travel related programs on Mongolia and it sounds like it will really take off at some stage .. A lot of people now want to go to unspoilt places and cultures and there are not many of those around ..

The airline MIAT will be linked with the amount of tourists visiting the country, as one expands so will the other ..
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:12 pm

I actually read a report from 2002 today that talked about the lack of infrastructure at ULN. As a land locked nation Mongolia not only will need ULN to be able to handle more pax travel but it will need to be able to support 767 or larger planes (cargo). The terminal at Genghis Khan International is limited and still needs lots of work. The apron is not quite up to standards.

But there seems to be a ton of investment from different organizations to build better infrastructure. First thing that was done was the creating of the M&E org for aircraft maintainence. If I rea it right, until recently all aircraft (Russian) were maintained by a group in IKT. But when the A310 and the 737s arrived maintainence of all aircraft went in house.

I guess that the government would not let MIAT expand or work on its own for years. They were also pushed around by the Soviet for decades and then by a Soviet style regime until only recently.

One kind of interesting thing.
SYD-HKG-LHR 9189 nm
SYD-ULN-HLR 9229 nm
SYD-PVG-LHR 9232 nm
SYD-SIN-LHR 9274 nm
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:19 pm

I've been to Mongolia as I have friends who used to be teachers there -- it really is one of the world's unspoiled places, beautiful and no McDonald's, Starbucks, etc.

I flew the 738 from PEK and the A310 back. MIAT's service is actually not too bad for the 2-3 hour flights they fly on average.

I've got some pictures of MIAT's plane (not a.net quality though), the onboard food, and the country at:

http://www.markwang.com/images/20030319_Mongolia/index.html

Enjoy!
 
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:27 pm

Quoting Ryu2 (Reply 3):
I've got some pictures of MIAT's plane

Nice picts. All those pictures were fun to look at. As a teacher it is always interesting to see into other classrooms.

Meal looked okay.

Love the font for Monglian Airlines. Reminds me of Mongolian cloth patterns.
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RE: Miat (Mongolian Airlines)'s Fleet And Routes

Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:45 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Meal looked okay.

I've been to a Mongolian restaurant once in Shanghai. It was really good, so that part shouldn't be a problem!
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
The apron is not quite up to standards.

Ah, that lovely apron:


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I remember that when I was there, several An-24's were parked on the apron, with snow on their wings (as it had been snowing that night). No de-icing fluid or anything, just a bunch of guys in long coats climbing onto the wing with brooms!!! They'd sweep one plane clean and off it went, then the next one.

I think it was this apron:


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Plenty of other relics too:


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Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:19 pm

Wow Wow Wow.

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That is one nice looking A310.

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How many 737s does MIAT have? Anyone know?

They certainly have a limited schedule.
Korean Flies to ULN 3 times a week while MIAT flies only what..twice a week to ICN. That is 5 a week. Not bad. Wonder if MIAT would increase. I was listening to a thing on the BBC a long while back about how Hyundai had hoped the Trans-Korean railroad would open so they could take parts to Mongolia over land instead of by air.
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Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:08 pm

I taught in UB for a year a few years back myself, 8/2002 - 6/2003. Flew in from ICN on the Airbus and back in after X-mas break on the Airbus again. (FYI, when I flew out for X-mas break, I was on Air China [737] and when I left for good in June of '03, I was on KE [332 or 333, which ever they have].)

I never got the chance to fly MIAT's 738. When I first got there, they had a 727 in their fleet. The 738 arrived while I was there, and at the time there was only one. Now, they may have acquired another. I don't know.

I never flew MIAT domestically, so I can't comment on their Russian prop planes.

I also remember MIAT's adding HKG to their route network while I was there, and FRA either while I was there or shortly after I left, for I remember seeing Frankfurt being advertized.

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Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:41 pm

They used to operate to MXP on summer season twice a week. One of these flights was via TXL and the other was direct to ULN with 763 equipment.
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RE: Miat (Mongolian Airlines)'s Fleet And Routes

Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
How many 737s does MIAT have? Anyone know?

I Believe they still only operate that one. I don't think they have any more on order either....maybe some options but I don't know.

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Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:56 am

Wow, I'm impressed! I too expected teh reminents of a Soviet-style dodgy airline, but this is way, way, above and beyond that. Respect!
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 10):
Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
How many 737s does MIAT have? Anyone know?

I Believe they still only operate that one.

Yes only one. But they have now also a B767-300.

Link to the fleet: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=OM&al_op=1 (sorry, not all aircraft).
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 12):
But they have now also a B767-300.

When did they aquire that?

I am trying to find the report from 2002 that I read. In there, they mention the 767. Interesting.
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RE: Miat (Mongolian Airlines)'s Fleet And Routes

Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:13 am

The B767 was phase-one about a month ago...
 
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Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:26 am

I read somewhere, a long time ago, that the B727 was donated to them by the Korean Government. Do they still operate the aircraft?
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Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 12):
Yes only one. But they have now also a B767-300.

Wasn't that the wet-lease of an Italian charter company which flew 1-2 times a week a MXP-TXL-(MOW)-ULN vv.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 15):
I read somewhere, a long time ago, that the B727 was donated to them by the Korean Government. Do they still operate the aircraft?

The 727 which was given as gift is stored at ULN due to "political" reason. The other 727 left to South Africa. They are, or where, operating for Nationwide.
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Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting Centrair (Thread starter):
........but I thought it might be fun to discuss something besides US/DL or LCC new routes to small cities.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU

I checked out their website and agree it isn't as bad as one might expect. I did have the pleasure of seeing their A310 in TXL. Definitely belongs to the more exotic carriers out there.
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Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:28 am

Hey

Here is the MIAT current fleet

They have 1000 people working in the company!

JU-1004 Antonov-24RV (Stored at ULN) Y48
JU-1006 Antonov-24RV (Stored at ULN) Y48
JU-1009 Antonov-24RV (Stored at ULN) Y48
JU-1014 Antonov-26B-100 Seating Y38/Combi/Freighter
EI-CXV Boeing 737-8CX (Winglets) C12 Y150
F-OHPT Airbus A310-304 C27 Y187

Hope this Helps!!

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RE: Miat (Mongolian Airlines)'s Fleet And Routes

Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 14):
The B767 was phase-one about a month ago...

May I ask what you mean by phase-one?

Thanks,
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:48 am

This is an awesome thread!
I've always wanted to visit Mongolia. I am a little concerned about other Western influences starting to go there and the military connection.
I still want to go however.


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Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:49 pm

They also operate dto Istanbul some years back.
 
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RE: Miat (Mongolian Airlines)'s Fleet And Routes

Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 19):
phase-one?

Sorry about that... phase in.

Blue Panorama give back this aircraft to the lessor and than MIAT lease this aircraft.

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