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Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:12 am

By Seonjin Cha
Nov. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Korean Air Lines Co., South Korea's biggest carrier, ordered 25 Boeing Co. planes, its largest ever deal, as it seeks to benefit from rising demand for passenger and cargo flights.


Just breaking now via bloomberg 10 x -Fs and 15 x PAX. Listed as followed;

1 x 737-700
4 x 737-900ER
5 x 747-8F
5 x 777-200F
10 x B777-300ER

Plus options for 8 further models. Largest order ever placed by KE with Boeing



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[EDIT - For models and Press Release will be on above link shortly]

[Edited 2006-11-21 03:22:18]

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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:21 am

I assume that you mean 777 freighters and 15 pax 777's? If so, what variant?

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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:24 am

The latest update from Bloomberg says the following on the order breakdown:

The Boeing passenger plane order comprises 10 777-300ERs, four 737-900ERs and a 737-700. The airline also ordered five 747- 8 freighters and five 777-200 freighters. The carrier has also agreed on options for eight more planes, comprising four 777- 300ERs, two 737-900ERS and two 747-8Fs, it said.

I guess this may be the source of some of last week's UFO 777 orders...
 
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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:26 am

Can't find a link anywhere, but I am excited. Korean is a great Boeing customer, and this proves their continued faith in Boeings product.
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:34 am

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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:39 am

Great news!! Thanks for sharing (yet again) PanAm_DC10.
Do you happen to know whether some (or any) of these announced orders are already listed on Boeing's orders page?

Much Appreciated  Smile

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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:45 am

What leaves the fleet to make room for these?
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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting Nirvarma (Reply 5):
Do you happen to know whether some (or any) of these announced orders are already listed on Boeing's orders page?

It is my understanding that these are all new orders and that none are listed as UFO on Boeings site.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 6):
What leaves the fleet to make room for these?

Not too much as it is mainly for fleet expansion;

Korean Air plans to increase its fleet to 137 planes by 2010 from the current 118, it said in August. The airline's fleet comprises 99 passenger planes and 19 747-400 freighters, as of the end of September, it said on its Web site. Three-quarters of its fleet are Boeing aircraft.

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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:01 pm

Wow..Could it be 1000 plus orders for Boeing in 2006??

If LH would hurry and make up its mind it might be.
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:01 pm

Once the 5 A380 are in service (2010?) and gradual introduction of 787 later this decade, Korea Air will have a very modern fleet.
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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:02 pm

So looks like KE will forge ahead with the A388 at the top end, and perhaps start to down-gauge some of their 744 fleet to 773ERs.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:08 pm

WOW, another great vote of confidence for T7. I wonder if this is somewhat related to the rumored delay in EIS of 350XWB. Also some more 747-8F, but no 474-8I yet....  Smile. Still great news for Boeing and Korean Air, Ciao
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:11 pm

Why just a single 737-700? They don't operate any at the moment.
No surprise with 739ERs as they already have the basic 739.

I guess KE didn't pull the trigger on the 748i.
Another carrier that is on the fence whether to go with the 748 or continue with the A388.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:12 pm

Quoting Tak (Reply 11):
WOW, another great vote of confidence for T7. I wonder if this is somewhat related to the rumored delay in EIS of 350XWB. Also some more 747-8F, but no 474-8I yet.... Smile. Still great news for Boeing and Korean Air, Ciao

I'm sure the 777-300ER orders were connected to the A380 delay. I think it also means no 747-8I orders.
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 12):
Another carrier that is on the fence whether to go with the 748 or continue with the A388.

Nothing to do with the A380, because Boeing can't make up its mind on which 747-8I to go with.
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 12):
Why just a single 737-700? They don't operate any at the moment.
No surprise with 739ERs as they already have the basic 739.

Well, in theory, the 737NG fleet ought to have pretty high commonality, so spares aren't a major issue. Maybe they want to use the 737-700 for some sort of shuttle service...or maybe it's a VIP aircraft? Actually, the oddballs in their 737NG fleet will be the 737-900ERs...they'll be the most different from the other 737s.
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 13):

I'm sure the 777-300ER orders were connected to the A380 delay. I think it also means no 747-8I orders.

No. ordering the 777-300ER and A380 does not rule out an order for the 747-8i.

777-300ER - 360
747-8i - ~450
A380 - 555

As one can see, neither of the 3 aircraft compete with each other. In fact, they are roughly 100 seats apart. Since they do not compete with each other, they are for different markets, and hence, an airline could very easily have the 747-8, 777-300ER, and A380 in the same fleet.
 
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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:24 pm

Very interesting. I'd expect to see either a KE cancellation of the A380s or at least a very long wait and see period. They have the time to do so with all of the delays.

The 73G must surely be for govt. flights.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:27 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 16):
ordering the 777-300ER and A380 does not rule out an order for the 747-8i.

Chances are getting slim for 747-8I at KE.

Korean Air was a serious potential launch customer for 747-8I however when Boeing inclined to go for 467-seater with 8000nm, the turned Korean Air (also Air New Zealand)'s interest off, and both were looking at 77W instead.

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Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:43 pm

Interestingly the last aircraft would be delivered in 2019....
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 6):
What leaves the fleet to make room for these?



Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 18):
Chances are getting slim for 747-8I at KE.

Well...remember that Boeing converted one of Korean's 747-400s into a 747-400BCF at TAECO and redelivered it to Korean in August 2006, and that Korean itself started converting one of its 747-400s into a BCF in August using a Boeing kit and Korean Airlines' Aerospace Division's shop and workers in Pusan, Korea. They have firm-ordered six (6) additional (i.e. total 7) BCF conversion kits for them to do their own conversions of (presumably) their own airplanes, and have options on 13 more kits. Some of those options may be used to convert other airlines' aircraft, but I think that the firm-order kits can be expected to be used to convert Korean's own 747-400s, so you'll see the pax -400 fleet shrink by six more over the next few years, and the cargo fleet to expand, to be supplemented by the 747-8Fs as they come on line.

So some of the new aircraft on order (and maybe "to be ordered") will address passenger fleet issues owing to conversions of the -400s into -400BCFs.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:09 pm

I believe the 737-700 is for govt flights. Congrats to Boeing and KE.

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Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:11 pm

Great news for Boeing, KE, and the 777 program!

This will be KE's first 300ER correct? Wonder when they start taking delivery?

Reuters link:
http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...BOEING-URGENT.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna

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Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 24):
This will be KE's first 300ER correct? Wonder when they start taking delivery?

Yes, it will be their first 773ER. Orders begin in 2009

Orders for the 777 program in 2006 now stand at 71 IIRC...
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:53 pm

Good news for Boeing, and KE. 1000 orders? Can Boeing reach it?


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Quoting W3ndytj4n (Reply 26):
Good news for Boeing, and KE. 1000 orders? Can Boeing reach it?

It would be a stretch: Boeing needs about 150 additional orders in 6-8 weeks.

With the KE order, Boeing now stands at 847 net orders this year. If Boeing completes the TAM order, that would put them at 851.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 27):

China will order 150 B737 Big grin

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Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:08 pm

Thanks yet again PanAm_DC10 (this is why you are on my RU list).

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 17):
The 73G must surely be for govt. flights

I believe the government currently use a 733 operated by the air force - it is a 3Z8, which is Boeings code for the Korean AF. It is 21 years old, one of the first classics, so suppose it is logical its due for replacement - i dont believe KE had anything to do with its operation though, apart from mex maybe.


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Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 28):
China will order 150 B737

Are you sure? I don't think China will order that big amount of planes again. Any sources?
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:17 pm

Yes, that's what I was thinking, YVRLTN; I guess Korean Air will operate the aircraft (albeit in RoKAF/presidential livery) and it will also look after maintenance.

Korean Air seems to have come on a lot in recent years; it's inflight product is very highly rated, it has modern IFE (including PTVs in Y class on long haul) and its safety record has improved considerably in recent years. How long is it now since its last serious accident (the 747F at Stansted is at least five years ago?)

Certainly a very good day for Boeing, but don't forget, Korean Air has been a good Airbus customer and if Airbus gets the A350XWB right, there's no reason why Airbus can't be a customer for this in the future; its EIS is 2015 and Korean Air's original 772s will be coming up to 20 years old by then. And, when the A380 finally gets into service and its bugs are ironed out, it will be a fine aircraft and I'm sure the original five aircraft won't be the last.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:26 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 31):
a good Airbus customer

KE is operating 29 Airbus planes:
10 Airbus 300-600
3 Airbus 330-200
16 Airbus 330-300

With 5 Airbus 380 on order

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Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:30 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 31):

Certainly a very good day for Boeing, but don't forget, Korean Air has been a good Airbus customer and if Airbus gets the A350XWB right, there's no reason why Airbus can't be a customer for this in the future; its EIS is 2015 and Korean Air's original 772s will be coming up to 20 years old by then.

Korean is already a 787 launch customer, which certainly doesn't help the A350.

By 2015, Boeing will most likely have the 787-10 in production which would serve as an equally compelling (perhaps superior) 772 replacement.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:21 pm

Quoting N754PR (Reply 22):
Yet another stupid post from a Yank... keep it up boys.

He's been on this board for seven years, has a respect rating of 11 and has written over 3,000 posts.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:02 pm

Very nice mixture of orders. Way to go Boeing and Korean Big grin
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:05 pm

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 23):
I believe the 737-700 is for govt flights. Congrats to Boeing and KE.

So, could the B-737-700 ordered actually be a B-737-BBJ?
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 13):
I think it also means no 747-8I orders.

Exactly, airlines seems to prefer combination of B773 + A380 - watch for LH!
 
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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:16 pm

Boeing has confirmed the order with a statement. Also it should be noted that they are all new orders, not UFO.

Boeing Statement on Korean Airlines' Purchase Announcement
SEATTLE, Nov. 20, 2006 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] is pleased that Korean Airlines has announced its purchase of 25 Boeing airplanes. The airline announced that it is purchasing 10 777-300ERs, five 747-8 Freighters, five 777 Freighters and five Next-Generation 737s, at a list value of approximately $5.5 billion.

This is the largest commercial airplane commitment in Korean history.

"Korean Air is a world class airline, and we value our long relationship with this important customer," said Larry Dickenson, Boeing Commercial Airplanes Vice President of Sales. "Korean Air is buying the world's most fuel-efficient, technologically advanced aircraft to meet their requirements, and we look forward to continuing our strong working relationship. We are proud to produce the airplanes that play a key role in Korean Air's plans for growth and leadership."

Korean Air, also the number one commercial cargo carrier for the past two consecutive years, continues to aggressively expand its cargo services. Korean Air is a key 747 Freighter operator and participant in the 747-400 Boeing Converted Freighter program.

Korean Air is a member of the 787 Dreamliner launch team, and in 2004, the airline celebrated its 100th Boeing jetliner delivery. Since receiving its first 707 in 1971, Korean Air has operated several Boeing models, including the Next-Generation 737, 747, 777, DC-9, DC-10, MD-11 and MD-80.


http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q4/061120d_nr.html

Shame the 73G isn't a 73GER

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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:33 pm

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 34):
He's been on this board for seven years, has a respect rating of 11 and has written over 3,000 posts.

If you're talking about SQ212, at whom N754PR aimed his comment, then you have your facts completely the wrong way round! In a thread congratulating Boeing on yet another good order, there was absolutley no need for a snide comment at Airbus's expense. sarcastic 


Congrats to Boeing on another large order. The only possible disappointment for them will be that many had KE down as a banker 748i customer.
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:10 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 39):
there was absolutley no need for a snide comment at Airbus's expense.

I'm more worried about the health aspect of John, knowing that he underwent heart bypass just a month ago. I just can't imagine what kind of pressure he has to endure after witnessing 380 delays and inability to launch 350 sooner, compounded with major widebody sales that went to Boeing. I would think he should enjoy life by taking it easy. I am sure he will have lots of fun selling more WB in addition to the best selling 320's.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:12 pm

One note, since Boeing has moved so many 777's and 787's this year, with KE's order being the latest - on sheer value terms they must be way ahaed of Airbus. Does anyone have a approximate value breakdown of the orders for both manufacturers?
A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:11 pm

Quoting Sq212 (Reply 40):
I'm more worried about the health aspect of John, knowing that he underwent heart bypass just a month ago.

He did even joke that his heart problem was caused by Boeing. The guy may be human after all!  Wow!
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:02 pm

Congratulations to both Korean Air and Boeing in what has to be considered a major order, for both it's PAX and Cargo division.

The B773ER seems to be a runaway success with new operators appearing nearly every month. It's also interesting to note that the B772F has sold extremely well, which should help cover the costs of this derivative.

What I did notice and must admit was surprised was the lack of a B748i order from Korean. Although their still plenty of time to do so. It curious to note that many of the current airlines that have the A380 on order are opting to simplify their fleet. I still believe that many will rather misuse the A380 instead of acquiring another type into the fleet.

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Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:14 pm

Good that Korean orders some 748Fs and 777Fs, too bad they didn´t opt for 747 passenger planes. Still waiting.
 
 
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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:04 pm

Another Airline chooses smart and as a result some cheerleaders are about to have hearth complications even indigestion.
Cheer up dudes! This news is worth celebrating.
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:14 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 45):
IIRC, Mr. Leahy underwent an angioplasty procedure where stents were put in a coronary artery, not coronary bypass surgery, there's a huge difference between the two types of treatment.

I hope you don't know from personal experience... Sad

I congratulate KE and B on this big deal, and I wish Mr. Leahy the best of health. Also, I don't see KE cancelling the A380. They bought them for a given purpose, and it seems that purpose is just as important now as then. Their overall growth rate is impressive, and I'm sure they can put a few A380s to good use.
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:15 pm

Hmmm, another generalization about Americans from another stupid Chinese person, how insulting to all the Americans who didn't make the post.
 
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Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 47):
Quoting Leelaw (Reply 45):
IIRC, Mr. Leahy underwent an angioplasty procedure where stents were put in a coronary artery, not coronary bypass surgery, there's a huge difference between the two types of treatment.


I hope you don't know from personal experience...

Quite a difference. angioplasty is not open heart surgery andi is performed while the patient is awake and alert. Usually the patient goes home the next day and returns to normal activity within a few days depending on the seriousness of the blockage. IF JL had a moderate block then he could have been back in action within a few days.
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RE: Korean Air Order 25 Boeings

Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:41 pm

Quoting N754PR (Reply 22):
Yet another stupid post from a Yank...

Thank you for your enlightened and positive comment about us Yanks  

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 39):
there was absolutley no need for a snide comment at Airbus's expense.

I agree but neither was there a need to make an immature generalization (A false one, BTW) about the American members of this board.


Nice order. Well the news reports about Boeing finalizing some large deals before the end of the year seem to be panning out.

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Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 43):
It curious to note that many of the current airlines that have the A380 on order are opting to simplify their fleet. I still believe that many will rather misuse the A380 instead of acquiring another type into the fleet.

Or they're hedging their bets and assuming traffic is either going to grow very strong (which means they'll need an A388) or not very strong (which means a 773ER will allow them to better tailor capacity to the profitable part of the demand curve). Only if one believes capacity will remain relatively flat would the 748I start to look like the right choice, perhaps?