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6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:12 pm

Six men were arrested and taken off of a US flight going MSP to PHX. Police were called by the cabin crew before the plane even left the gate and they took six men off the plane. They were described as being of Middle Eastern descent. I don't have any links because it is breaking news. Does anyone have any more information?
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:20 pm

heres a link

h**p://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S20152.html?cat=1

This link for Fox affliate story and video
h**p://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=1548600&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:25 pm

I was just watching WCCO and they said that the 6 men were removed from the aircraft but have not been placed under arrest as of yet.
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:38 pm

See this stuff always happens when I am on my days off. I can't wait to hear all about this.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:50 pm

It'll be interesting to see what the suspicious behavior was. Nervous flyers? Devoutly religious? Dry run gone awry? Hmmmm.


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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting 777fan (Reply 5):
Dry run gone awry? Hmmmm.

I'll bet thats what it was
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:25 pm

Link from KARE 11 TV Minneapolis.
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=140079

Six passengers were removed from a US Airways flight Monday at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport and taken for questioning by police, an airport spokesman said.

The passengers boarded US Airways Flight 300, bound for Phoenix, around 6:30 p.m. when crew members "saw suspicious activity" by the men and called airport police, said the spokesman, Pat Hogan. Police escorted the men off the plane and took them to be questioned, he said.

Hogan said the crew described the men as "Middle Eastern" in appearance, though he said he didn't immediately know where they were from. He said more information would likely be released Tuesday.

The other passengers on the flight, which was carrying 170 people, were re-screened for boarding. The plane took off about three hours after the men were removed from the flight.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting DC10extender (Thread starter):
They were described as being of Middle Eastern descent.

Considering how many are up there, this isn't much of a surprise.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:45 pm

This link is about the same, but added;

A passenger initially raised concerns about the group through a note passed to a flight attendant, said Andrea Rader, a spokeswoman for US Airways. Police were called after the men refused requests by the captain and airport security workers to leave the plane.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15824096/
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:18 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
Its about damn time US Airlines get paranoid about these folks...

What the 'ell is that supposed to mean? Another one of your typical ignorant paranoid "because they are Middle Eastern looking they need to be profiled" comments?  sarcastic 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 8):
The other passengers on the flight, which was carrying 170 people

170 people? Was there a group sleeping in the cargo hold? Last time I checked, our A320s were only certified to hold 150 passengers plus 5 crew. I don't think that adds up to 170 people. Quality journalism folks.

I sympathize with the good Muslims a bit. If they stay true to their religion in every way they risk getting harrassed anytime they get near a plane, and if they choose to dress a little more plain and blend in a little more, they are abandoning their religious beliefs for the sake of convience. I think Islam as a religion is completely whack and not the way to live a life, but they have a right to live their life accordingly, and it can't be easy right now.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:40 pm

Quoting Terryb99 (Reply 10):
A passenger initially raised concerns about the group through a note passed to a flight attendant, said Andrea Rader, a spokeswoman for US Airways. Police were called after the men refused requests by the captain and airport security workers to leave the plane.

Hopefully there is more to this than a paranoid, note-passing, passenger.
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:45 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
"because they are Middle Eastern looking they need to be profiled"

We do need to profile these people. If they are true muslims then they will understand. If they are terrorists then oh well we got them.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:50 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
Its about damn time US Airlines get paranoid about these folks...

You mean ethnic profiling?? Could you please explain yourself?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Another one of your typical ignorant paranoid "because they are Middle Eastern looking they need to be profiled" comments?

I think you're right... this comment is definitely ignorant...

and just for your FYI, i suggested deleting reply #1.

Zaki

edit: typo

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:53 pm

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 14):
If they are true muslims then they will understand

And how on earth do you know that? Are you a muslim by any chance?
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:01 pm

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 14):

We do need to profile these people. If they are true muslims then they will understand.

Sorry dude, can't agree...I'm a Muslim...last week, I was taking photos in the AAdmiral's Club in ORD....management asked me to stop taking photos (hobby which I love) because people were getting concerned....

Told the manager that there were no laws against it, but I shall respect her decision and not take photos for rest of the duration....she thanked me for it and quietly told me that there are no laws against it...but since enough pax were "concerned" she had to ask me to stop...

I also know for a fact she wasn't lying, as I saw a few people staring at me while I was taking photos and knew it was only a matter of time before I will be asked to stop...

Now, why should I be harassed and subjugated to this? Because of the way I look? Becuase of a few paranoid people?

I've done nothing wrong, I'm not causing a commotion...so what's the bloody problem?

Oh I know..I'm not a balding white guy with a cheesy tattoo on my arm.. sarcastic 

It's because of the way I look...simple as that..

To make matters worse, I just missed a NH 777... mad 

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:03 pm

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 15):
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
Its about damn time US Airlines get paranoid about these folks...

You mean ethic profiling?? Could you please explain yourself?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Another one of your typical ignorant paranoid "because they are Middle Eastern looking they need to be profiled" comments?

I think you're right... this comment is definitely ignorant...

and just for your FYI, i suggested deleting reply #1.

Zaki

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:04 pm

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 14):
We do need to profile these people. If they are true muslims then they will understand. If they are terrorists then oh well we got them.

Amen to that...

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 12):
170 people? Was there a group sleeping in the cargo hold? Last time I checked, our A320s were only certified to hold 150 passengers plus 5 crew. I don't think that adds up to 170 people. Quality journalism folks.

Haha, or it quite possibly just came from over the border?
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 14):
We do need to profile these people. If they are true muslims then they will understand.

That's quite an assumption there.  Yeah sure

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:38 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Sorry dude, can't agree...I'm a Muslim...last week, I was taking photos in the AAdmiral's Club in ORD....management asked me to stop taking photos (hobby which I love) because people were getting concerned....

Told the manager that there were no laws against it, but I shall respect her decision and not take photos for rest of the duration....she thanked me for it and quietly told me that there are no laws against it...but since enough pax were "concerned" she had to ask me to stop...

I also know for a fact she wasn't lying, as I saw a few people staring at me while I was taking photos and knew it was only a matter of time before I will be asked to stop...

Now, why should I be harassed and subjugated to this? Because of the way I look? Becuase of a few paranoid people?

My sympathies I agree everyone is tooo paranoid and pretty much scared of thier own shadow. good luck on any further picture taking expiditions.
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:47 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Sorry dude, can't agree...I'm a Muslim...last week, I was taking photos in the AAdmiral's Club in ORD....management asked me to stop taking photos (hobby which I love) because people were getting concerned....

Mate you don't say what you were taking photos of..if it was of the people sitting in the lounge, I would have told you to piss off with your camera. Muslim, white guy with tatts whatever, don't invade my privacy in an enclosed area. Having said that, I am reasonably sure you were taking pictures of aircraft...if so you should have been able to click away.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:48 pm

Well, someone else just posted on this and included a much newer news article with it.

Apparently these 6 men were all prominant scholars and mullahs, 5 from the Phoenix area and 1 from Bakersfield, CA. They were in MSP attending a major national Islamic conference that included Keith Ellison, just elected the first Moslem Member of Congress. They had gone so far as to alert the FBI and local police to their travels, even though they had no such obligation to do so. Once again, this was bigotry, pure and simple.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 8):
"saw suspicious activity"



Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 8):
"Middle Eastern"

It seems lately, that some in the American public see these as one in the same.

It's a shame  Sad

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:52 pm

Quoting Sunking737 (Reply 8):
"saw suspicious activity"

Also known as "Praying"  sarcastic 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:04 pm

I'm sure people would be singing a totally different tune if these guys had done something. If 6 honkies were passing notes and looking suspicious, I'm sure they would get a second look too. If news reports say they refused to leave the plane after the captain asked, and all this happened before departure, wouldn't one imagine that there is a little more to this story???

In useless news, I was on that flight the other night..woo.
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:04 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
Its about damn time US Airlines get paranoid about these folks...

what? i suppose your gonna say, "Its about damn time the US gets paranoid about black people" well guess what? they aint goin nowhere and it is very annoying when people just start stereotyping people like that. its not fair, and its not all "muslims' or "islamics" fault. ass........

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 14):

We do need to profile these people. If they are true muslims then they will understand.

thats like saying we need to profile black people for being loud and always eating fried chicken. that ain't rite. (im black just so yall know)

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 15):
and just for your FYI

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:31 pm

Well, in this case, i have to agree with US Airways decision. Any potential or suspicious behavior should be consider a serious target.

Look, I don't mean to discriminate Islamic people, but this should be a real good lesson for muslim people NOT TO DO SOMETHING STUPID when they are on the plane. Not even praying.

Just deal with the reality, LIFE is NOT FAIR.

This is not just for islamic people, but I BELIEVE if there is anyone (non muslim) and they act very suspicious on the plane, I'm sure that person will get the same treatment.
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:40 pm

Quoting Palladium (Reply 28):
Well, in this case, i have to agree with US Airways decision. Any potential or suspicious behavior should be consider a serious target.

Look, I don't mean to discriminate Islamic people, but this should be a real good lesson for muslim people NOT TO DO SOMETHING STUPID when they are on the plane. Not even praying.

Ah, so praying is now "suspicious activity?" I guess John Paul II should be happy in death given that he prayed constantly when flying because he was so frightened of it, not to mention almost killed in flight. These days, I guess he would have been kicked off a flight too.

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety

Damn fine quote, can't agree more. Those are some very wise words friend...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Ah, so praying is now "suspicious activity?

Indeed, I always say a short prayer before every flight, so does my wife. Should we now be removed from the flight?

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 12):
I think Islam as a religion is completely whack and not the way to live a life, but they have a right to live their life accordingly, and it can't be easy right now.

I suggest you learn a bit more about islam friend. You will be surprised that it is very similar to christianity, even more than judaism. In fact, islam holds Jesus (Issa) in very high regard as one of the five prophets. Jews don't believe in Jesus as you may know. You cannot condemn islam just because of what you see on tv from the middle east. And islam is treated and lived differently all over the world. A muslim from Saudi-arabia will be very different from a muslim from Turkey. Just like a catholic from Europe will experience his/her faith differently than a catholic from Brazil. It really tires me when I see ignorant statements like this.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:22 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
What the 'ell is that supposed to mean? Another one of your typical ignorant paranoid "because they are Middle Eastern looking they need to be profiled" comments?

Now, now, I think WesternA318 makes a very valid point... but not the one he intended to make. He proves that one or two people belonging to a single race, religion or creed can tarnish the reputation of all others.

I've recommended deletion as well. Jackass!
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:25 pm

Are they not aware that Immam's are not the ones doing the terrorist acts? Even IF (I EMPHASIZE IF) they were terrorists, it would be their disciples and not them who would be doing anything to the planes.

In a game of chess, the pawn goes first. Immams are definitely not the one at the frontline.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:38 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 27):
thats like saying we need to profile black people for being loud and always eating fried chicken. that ain't rite. (im black just so yall know)

I have yet to see a black man eating fried chicken crash a jetliner into a building full of innocent civilians either.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:40 pm

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 33):
I have yet to see a black man eating fried chicken crash a jetliner into a building full of innocent civilians either.

 relieved  LOL, right on!
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:42 pm

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 16):
And how on earth do you know that? Are you a muslim by any chance

No I am not. However if you would know your history all Japanese Americans were kept in camps in the AZ and NV desert during WWII. That was for attacking a military installation not innocent civilians. Maybe we should revert to those tactics. Close all the Mosques and move all people of Arab decent into camps so we could keep a eye on them. Which would you prefer??
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 35):
No I am not. However if you would know your history all Japanese Americans were kept in camps in the AZ and NV desert during WWII. That was for attacking a military installation not innocent civilians. Maybe we should revert to those tactics. Close all the Mosques and move all people of Arab decent into camps so we could keep a eye on them. Which would you prefer??

So you condone punishing an entire race of people for something a few did? So I guess you would also want to put away all white people after the Oklahoma bombing? Or all Israeli's for killing innocent Lebanese civilians and recently the Palestinian family (including small children). I really hope you are joking friend...

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 35):
No I am not. However if you would know your history all Japanese Americans were kept in camps in the AZ and NV desert during WWII. That was for attacking a military installation not innocent civilians. Maybe we should revert to those tactics. Close all the Mosques and move all people of Arab decent into camps so we could keep a eye on them. Which would you prefer??

Or perhaps we should file away all outdoor types who seem to own a lot of guns and have access to fertilizer? Perhaps a background check on every redneck who rents a U-Haul? How about making sure that every Catholic with red hair and freckles doesn't get near a trash can? Perhaps a restraining order keeping hippies 500 feet from a Hummer lot?

Terrorists come in all shapes, colors, creeds and religions. Not only is profiling bigoted, it is a way of growing complacent. Back in 1995, we were so preoccupied with Moslems, we almost missed catching Timothy McVeigh.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:00 pm

I think it is great fun with the profiling as it relax the other parts. Think of this.

If you where to blow up a plane. Would you dress in the traditional Taliban or religious matter? or how ever your stereotypical "terrorist" looks... how ever would you as a terrorist even try to recruit the typical look...no, I believe that the next plane that is being blown up by a militant group the group no matter if it is fundamentalistic muslim or christian, or neo-nazistic it will be blown up by the "chesseburger eating fat white man who has a tattoo on his arm."

It is not hard to cloud the minds of the weak and poor....

only my thoughts.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:00 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU42MXHPXMg

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:07 pm

From Yahoo News:

"Three of them stood and said their normal evening prayers together on the plane, as 1.7 billion Muslims around the world do every day, Shahin said. He attributed any concerns by passengers or crew to ignorance about Islam."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061121/ap_on_re_us/passengers_removed

This is most definitely "suspicious behavior"! Three muslim men stand up and start saying prayers on a crowded flight. Give me a break..there is a time and a place people! Considering recent events this kind of public display is unnecessary and only draws attention to oneself. The actions of the police should be commended, regardless of the fact. Had people been more alert to possible warning signs of impending danger 911 might have never happened.

Roll your eyes all you want...but if three men stand up on my flight and start chanting in a foreign language just before my flight takes off...you can bet your a*s I'm going to say something!
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:12 pm

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 41):
Roll your eyes all you want...but if three men stand up on my flight and start chanting in a foreign language just before my flight takes off...you can bet your a*s I'm going to say something!

Here in SLC not too long ago, there were several muslims working for AirServ in the Delta Air Logistics building. One day, they all took a break right at the same time, went out to the airside ramp and started praying. Good thing the SLC PD was right there.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:22 pm

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 43):
Good thing the SLC PD was right there.

This is a little bit of an overstatement. Clearly these men were not doing anything "wrong". My point is that there is a time and a place. Keep your religious beleifs and ceremonies private. A crowded airport or airplane is no place to be standing up and professing your faith to god out loud.
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 41):
He attributed any concerns by passengers or crew to ignorance about Islam."

His own remarks and apologetic response, are ignorant towards the feelings of the non-Muslim passengers.

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:41 pm

Quoting SAS330GOT (Reply 39):
If you where to blow up a plane. Would you dress in the traditional Taliban or religious matter?

Couldn't agree more. Racial Profiling has been proven to dramatically reduce airline security. By stating publicly that you're going to focus on one group of people, you are, by default, saying that all other groups won't get the same level of scrutiny. Random or blanket searches are still the most effective security measures. Racial profiling just makes bigots feel safer when they fly.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:50 pm

Racial profiling does not work. The Israelis have not used racial profiling for many years.

What really works, is "personality profiling". Someone can disguise a weapon cleverly, but the same guy/woman might not find it equally easy to hide their emotions.

All of the 9/11 hijackers, would have been busted at check in, had the airport/airline practiced "personality profiling. All the hijackers showed physical signs of stress, and all gave inconsistent replies to the most basic questions.

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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
Its about damn time US Airlines get paranoid about these folks...

No offence meant to anyone by this statement im going to make, but thats a very steriotypically American thing to say! A small minority have very stupid views on things like this. I know 9/11 was terrible, but as was 7/7 over here, you just have to get on with things. You cant go around thinking every muslim person wants to mame you! And making silly comments like this only makes things worse!  Angry

Amazingly guys, most muslims want to fly just like you and me....
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 37):
So you condone punishing an entire race of people for something a few did?

No I do not. The saying that a few bad apples spoils the bushel would apply here. However we all know that the terrorists have a penchant for aircraft. Unfortunantly they are of Middle Eastern Decent. If we seem a bit suspicious when there is a group of them on a airplane we have good reason, a precedent has been set. We must do whatever it takes to ensure that does not happen again. If that means that on occasion someone misses a flight or is detained for questioning I am all for that.
If a group of white supremists killled 3000 people and I drove through the neighborhood I would understand why I am being scrutinized.
I feel bad for the innocent true peace loving muslim, and I pray to god that nothing ever happens in this country again. I am afraid that people will take matters into their own hands and have vigilante justice.
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swissy
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:32 pm

Well profiling is dangerous, performed by "non trained" people...

I mean my dad looks like a hippy stuck in the 70's living in 2006, so each time he is near a airport security he knows he will get the special treatment, does he get upset? no, btw. he is the best dad Big grin

We have to find solutions to avoid these kind of situations because otherwise we end up on a dead end street.......

Cheers,
 
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:33 pm

Quoting Kappel (Reply 37):
all white people after the Oklahoma bombing

It was 3 white guys and all have been brought to justice. It was 20,000 terrorists of middle eastern decent.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:59 pm

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 51):
It was 20,000 terrorists of middle eastern decent.
Mark in MKE

May I ask where you found this number? Did 20,000 terrorists attack the US? I thought it was 11.

Don't getme wrong, Im all for fighting terrorism, but there are right and wrong ways to do it. Jacobin had the best quote:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."Franklin's Contributions to the Conference on February 17 (III) Fri, Feb 17, 1775

and I stand by it.
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RE: 6 Men Arrested At MSP

Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:02 pm

US airways obviousley has no religious tollerence, not all arabs are terrorists...
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