EIPremier
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AS At SFO

Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:01 pm

I'm noticing that with the addition of the new evening SAN flights and LAX flight, the AS/QX gate area is getting really congested in the late evening hours. For example, they have 5 departures between 620 PM and 720 PM out of three gates (20,22,24). This is made worse on a day with weather delays, which has been probably 50% of the time recently. Both times I was there recently, I saw AS flights delayed simply because the previous flight hadn't vacated the gate yet. Gates 20-36 gates are pretty sparsely utilized otherwise (US, F9, CO, AC, YX), so I don't see why AS couldn't add another gate for evening operations (maybe 21 or 23). It just seems kind of pointless leaving planes sitting out on the tarmac when other nearby gates are vacant.
 
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RE: AS At SFO

Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting EIPremier (Thread starter):
Gates 20-36 gates are pretty sparsely utilized otherwise (US, F9, CO, AC, YX), so I don't see why AS couldn't add another gate for evening operations (maybe 21 or 23).

When I've been at SFO the CO gates seem to be filled with at least 2-3 airplanes and they will be joined before they head out on the lovely red eyes by a few more arrivals from IAH, CLE, and EWR that will be overnighters.....so not sure that term sparsely would be totally correct, IMO.
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RE: AS At SFO

Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:14 am

Well...I flew AC from SFO to YVR in the afternoon. I was suprised to see that AC has only ONE gate in the SFO airport. So the AC staff asked pax to hurry up cos there was another AC aircraft waiting for us to move. So we moved quickly and get ready for take off to YVR. I remember there are some AS gates across to AC gate.
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RE: AS At SFO

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:18 am

just to comment on the last quote about the AC gates. I personally feel they should move over to UA terminal. Makes more sense for connections and all the likes. I seen on numerous occasions people checking in at AC for a UA flight and vice versa and the airlines are on two opposite sides of the airport.

In terms of the AS gates, since they are somewhat close to the A gates on the Int'l terminal could they use those gates to deplane and they taxi the aircraft back to gates 20-26 for the departure portion? or is that going to be a logistical nightmare?

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RE: AS At SFO

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:31 am

Yes, with limited gates at SFO, AS was asking for problems when they entered the SFO-SAN and SFO-LAX markets. daily ATC delays wreak havoc at SFO on a schedule and if you don't have enough gates, you're screwed.
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RE: AS At SFO

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:53 am

Back about two years ago, AS and SFO were in talks to move their entire SFO ops out of International Terminal A. From what I was told by employees in the Alaska Lounge, the airline and SFO could not come to terms re: rent. I am not sure that would have been a wise move anyways as these days all of the International Terminal A gates are in use in the afternoon.
 
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RE: AS At SFO

Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:55 pm

I remember taking Western Airlines SFO-YVR out of Gate 20 in the mid-1975's! It is still the same gate, only now AS operates SFO-YVR. Left out of there this past summer, and things have not changed after over 30 years! That whole area of the airport is a big disgrace for a "World Class" city the size of San Francisco. I realize the have a brand new International terminal, which I shall call nothing but stark and cold. I guess the old terminal where AS is operating is slated for a rebuild, or I would imagine. It has become a very depressing place to leave from.
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RE: AS At SFO

Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting EIPremier (Thread starter):
Gates 20-36 gates are pretty sparsely utilized otherwise (US, F9, CO, AC, YX)

F9 has moved out - they're over with NW and DL now.

The five US gates are not particularly sparsely utilized - they push 5x PHX, 7x LAS, 4x PHL, 4x CLT, 1x PIT and 1x MCI. Especially in the evening red-eye push, pretty much every gate is full.
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RE: AS At SFO

Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:19 pm

Alaska has had some issue's in regards to gate use at SFO, thats for sure. But the evenings are made easier by arriving some flights at the international terminal. AS also will use gates 21,23,25 when needed and available.

EIPremier: Gates 21,23 are actually owned by DL. AC leases the gates and has full use of 23 at all times and gate 21 from 0700-2200. With DL being able to use the old international gates for RON A/C, AC frequently uses gate 21 as well over night. AS has been unable to pick up more gate space to this point. AS big mistake in my opinion was not picking up HP's old ticket counter space. There have been some issue's with long lines during the morning rush of flights after the added SAN flights. And thats without the SAN load picking up as of yet. As said above F9 now has gates 41,43

FlyboyOZ: As above AC actually leases 2 gates. They also have no problems using Alaska gates when they are open. AS/AC frequently use each others gates.

Bicoastal: AS will learn from this winter schedule and not make the mistake again. In the 7 years I was in SFO, they frequently made changes to schedules and improved them. By the way, how has AS made a mistake entering the SFO-LAX market, we have been doing this route since the early 90's, or do you mean the evening flight in which its load-factor is rising weekly?

Another unseen issue with Alaska's SFO gates is the CR7 poorly fits into gate 24 for some reason. Last I checked the issue couldn't be resolved by the jetway manufacturer.

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RE: AS At SFO

Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):

Somewhat sad that AS ends up with marginal facilities at both LAX and SFO.
If it was not for facility issues, I wonder what the potential schedules would really look like?

From being an outside observer of Alaska's actions I get the feeling the carrier has been hesitant to really improve its position when it comes to spending monies to either move, expand or remodel. Just getting the ticket counter remodel done at LAX took ages of discussions regarding whom should foot what portion of the bill with the city.

Maybe a wrong impression, I just dont see AS putting their money where they mouth is particularly about their vocal complaining about facilities at LAX.
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RE: AS At SFO

Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:49 pm

Well I know in past you and I have differed in our opinions, but I know how hard it is to get LAWA to do anything as well. Compared to SFO, the bureaucracy down here is unreal. Now SFO's issue is that I don't think AS had much planned growth there, but those plans seem to have changed in the last year or so. This could be the reason AS is behind with SFO facility's. Now I don't know if you have been to SFO lately, but the concourse there as cleaned up very nicely. Much better then T-3 in my opinion, even after this face lift. Now I agree that AS could have spent a few dollars here and there, but I obviously don't know the whole story.

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RE: AS At SFO

Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:01 pm

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 4):
Yes, with limited gates at SFO

And here I thought Terminal 1 had all kinds of room further down in concourse B....always seemed underutilized when I've been there.
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RE: AS At SFO

Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:19 pm

There *was* room in the old TWA rotunda of Concourse B (gates 26-31) but US has taken over all six gates for their operations after Rotunda A closed up.
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RE: AS At SFO

Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:40 am

Why not move AA to old int. terminal and move US and AC to old American gates. That way we can avoid bad connection times with that terrible bus. AC and US and UA would then all be under one roof and no security barrier. This also makes room for AS expansion.
Probably makes to much sense for everyone so lets just leave that terminal sitting there empty.
 
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RE: AS At SFO

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:34 am

Well...AC has own staff in SFO and two signboards on the gate. They will be disappointed if AC have planned to move to UA terminal and let UAL staff to take care of it. Yes of course, lots of AC pax flew UA aircraft to Canada. I also fly UA (under AC codeshare) to fly back to SFO. I was so lucky to visit three terminals.
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RE: AS At SFO

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:43 am

Actually AC is ground handled by CO but not sure of CS...It would be nice to have the Star Alliance all in one terminal, similar to the Int. terminal.
 
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RE: AS At SFO

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting Briguy1974 (Reply 15):
...It would be nice to have the Star Alliance all in one terminal, similar to the Int. terminal.

United Services handles Air Canada in 30 plus stations. I'm not sure why SFO especially being a UA hub has remained separate.

I know in the case of LAX, AC has remained away from UA and self handles simply due to its ownership stake in LAX-Two Corp (owner of Terminal-2) which provides the carrier significant revenues.
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RE: AS At SFO

Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
AS big mistake in my opinion was not picking up HP's old ticket counter space.

I agree, the ticket counter space for AS domestic at SFO is inadequate. The ticket counter lines were pretty long when I was there Monday morning.

"The five US gates are not particularly sparsely utilized - they push 5x PHX, 7x LAS, 4x PHL, 4x CLT, 1x PIT and 1x MCI. Especially in the evening red-eye push, pretty much every gate is full."

US has 6 gates and AS/QX have 3, AS operates just as many flights: 4x SAN, 2x LAX, 3x YVR, 5x PDX, 3x PSP, and 7x SEA. I guess the main thing AS can do for now is spread out the evening departures a bit more. Before late afternoon it's not an issue.

[Edited 2006-11-29 19:53:13]

[Edited 2006-11-29 20:17:24]
 
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RE: AS At SFO

Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:34 am

EIPremier, unfortunately our planning department doesn't look at it like that. They like to have as much of a hub and spoke operation as possible, yet as we know it doesn't work out of a 3 gate airport with chronic ATC issue's. We have the same issue in LAX now with 9 A/C on the domestic gates with only 7 dedicated AS gates in T-3 (I say dedicated lightly).

I know US gates at SFO are anything but under utilized, thats for sure. Many people feel AS missed an opportunity. I really can't go farther into saying where I think we went wrong except we should have got the ticket space and another gate last year. Currently if you look at the SFO schedule at night there are 4 scheduled domestic planes on the ground for 3 gates. Every night a plane waits. Nothing more I hate then making pax wait on a plane.We our a customer service company. But on the flip side in AS defence, SFO is extremely expensive airport and AS penny punchers our very good at balancing out cost.

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RE: AS At SFO

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:32 am

Thanks for the replies ASSFO. I agree with AS being a customer service-oriented company. I have always received good service, and fly with AS whenever possible.

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