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It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:47 pm

It looks like Korean Air is going to replace their Passenger 747 -400s with 777-300! They are converting all their 747s to frieghters! I will miss the passenger 747 when the day comes, I do look forward to the A380!
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:47 am

Many airlines have taken this approach since the 777 is far more economical to operate and maintain. The 777 was concieved as a replacement for early 747's, so no real surprise here.

What is surprising to me is the fact that it is replacing some early 744.
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:20 am

Anyone knows the pax config. on KAL 380´s?

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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 2):
Anyone knows the pax config. on KAL 380´s?

If KE is ordering them at all?
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:16 am

AHH! One of the best looking 747-400's PAX in the skies is going away. Sad

I had the pleasure of flying KE036 DFW-ICN on HL7488. I also got a ride on their 777-300 ICN-PEK. They will surely be missed.

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Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:24 am

I'm going to mess the graceful 747-400.

The glory days of all my favorite aircraft (747, 757, 767, A340) that i grew up with as a child are long gone. Hopefully the 747-800I will find its way into some fleets, but it wont be the same without those whiney RB211-524H/Ts.  Sad

When is KE expecting to withdraw the last 747 from passenger service?
 
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 5):
The glory days of all my favorite aircraft (747, 757, 767, A340) that i grew up with as a child are long gone.

HAHA....you must be young. I still remember DC-8's flying, DC-10's, and L-1011's gracing the skies.

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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:28 am

Makes one think what an airline like NW or UA would doto replace their 744s...

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 3):
If KE is ordering them at all?

Seems KE is still going to keep their orders.
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Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6):
HAHA....you must be young. I still remember DC-8's flying, DC-10's, and L-1011's gracing the skies.

Haha, you must be ditto. I recall Electras. DC-3/4/6/7. Connies,Viscounts. Vanguards. The Convairs. The mighty VC-10: airborne sculpture. The Caravelle, the Hansa Jet. The Martin 404.

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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:22 am

Quoting Curmudgeon (Reply 8):
How did I get so old.

I know...I can still remember those old.....uurrgghh scratch that I'm only 16. The only missed aircraft I can talk of are some DC-9's (still not all the way gone) DC-10's (getting there) or DL's 732 (and there still operated to)! Bummer.

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Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:53 am

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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4):
AHH! One of the best looking 747-400's PAX in the skies is going away.

They are certainly going to be missed... Sad

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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:10 pm

KE has over 20 pax 744s though some are leased out. They will continue flying 744 on the routes where capacity and range is needed. The KE 744 will continue to fly pax well into the 2010s.
KE is still monitoring the situation in regards to the capacity at the highest end, otherwise KE would have ordered 20+ 773ERs not ten. These will just cover for the 744s that are converted to freighters.
 
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:11 pm

What a beautiful livery on the plane. Just love that blue color. To bad it is going off my favorite plane, 744.
 
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting KE086 (Thread starter):
It looks like Korean Air is going to replace their Passenger 747 -400s with 777-300! They are converting all their 747s to frieghters!

Too bad, first the MD-11's (although many years ago) and now this. I hope this does not start a trend in the industry but I wouldn't be surprised if this became the norm.

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 5):
The glory days of all my favorite aircraft (747, 757, 767, A340) that i grew up with as a child are long gone

What are you talking about???? LOL Those aircraft are still in abundance throughout Europe and the US although the 747's are becoming less and less. When I think of classic aircraft I miss I think of th 727, DC10, L1011, A300, DC9, F100 and now soon the MD80 will be added to the list. Ten years ago these aircraft were everywhere. Funny how a take over and an increase in fuel prices can change things so quickly.
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 14):

I think RJ111 meant for Korean Air. Not just those aircrafts.
 
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:20 pm

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 15):
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 14):


I think RJ111 meant for Korean Air. Not just those aircrafts.

Korean Air has never flown the 767, 757, or A340....
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:08 pm

Since KE only ordered 10 B-777-300ERs, I think the door is still open for some B-747-800Is to replace the later B-747-400s they have.
 
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:41 pm

I meant the days when these aircraft were winning orders left right and centre like the 787 is now and they were the cutting edge of technology with a long future ahead of them. Hence my use of "glory days".

Now nearly all of these aircraft are looking to be replaced.  

At least, where i'm from.

[Edited 2006-11-23 12:47:34]
 
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:58 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4):
AHH! One of the best looking 747-400's PAX in the skies is going away



Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 13):
To bad it is going off my favorite plane, 744

No it isn't you just have to go someplace else. KE recently upsized their ICN-SYD flight from t7 to 744.
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:59 pm

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 1):
Many airlines have taken this approach since the 777 is far more economical to operate and maintain. The 777 was concieved as a replacement for early 747's, so no real surprise here.

This is truth and fact. Depending on carrier configuration, most airlines are giving up around 20 seats when switching from B747-400 to B777-300. The airlines are able to recover their revenue by increasing their yields. This, coupled with the much lower CASM of the B777, leads to very much increased profits. Its almost a no-brainer for airlines to make this switch. Expect to see the majority of B747's get switch to B777's with a few going to the A380. The only drawback one can expect is ETOPS which is still very restrictive when flying across the Pacific. I know Boeing is working on increasing ETOPS limits to reduce this burden. Expect the FAA to play along.
 
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 18):
I meant the days when these aircraft were winning orders left right and centre like the 787 is now and they were the cutting edge of technology with a long future ahead of them. Hence my use of "glory days".

Now nearly all of these aircraft are looking to be replaced

Well let's not kill the 767 yet. They just got another 5 orders last week for a total of 11. LOL. noone seems to know who ordered them yet tho.
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:41 pm

Which KE routes use 744s right now?
AC/AA/UA/DL/B6/WN/US*/CO*/FI/BA/IB/AF/SK/LX/Sabena*/TK/LY/SA/MN/SW/AM/CE*/CX/CA/MU/JL/SQ/TG/MH/KA/5J
 
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:55 pm

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 22):
Which KE routes use 744s right now?

ICN-ATL-ICN

Sorry don't know for sure but I think JFK & ORD might also get them?
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 6):
HAHA....you must be young. I still remember DC-8's flying, DC-10's, and L-1011's gracing the skies.

Ha ha . . . You must be young. I still remember cycling to LHR, sitting on the grass next to the ex-military tent that was the main terminal and watching the Strats and Connies fly in from the States. And then there was that first flight in a Viscount in August 1958 and as the flight landed there on the ramp at LBG was the prototype Caravelle F-BHHI and 707 N707PA on the first visit of the type to Europe.
 
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:10 am

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 22):
Which KE routes use 744s right now?

ICN-SYD
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 18):
I meant the days when these aircraft were winning orders left right and centre like the 787 is now and they were the cutting edge of technology with a long future ahead of them. Hence my use of "glory days".

Now nearly all of these aircraft are looking to be replaced.

At least, where i'm from.

Trust me, you will see these aircraft in the skies for a long time before they are all gone. McDonnell Douglas aircraft will be gone first before the 757, 767, and A340 are completely retired by the airlines.
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:29 am

How will the 747-8I's CASM rank with the 777-300ERs?
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 22):
Which KE routes use 744s right now?

According to 2006 summer schedule
ICN-LAX-ICN
ICN-ATL-ICN
ICN-JFK-ICN
ICN-JFK-ICN
ICN-SYD-ICN
ICN-NRT-ICN
GMP-HND-GMP
ICN-KIX-ICN
ICN-NGO-ICN
ICN-BKK-ICN
ICN-CDG-ICN
ICN-FRA-ICN
ICN-LHR-ICN
ICN-TSN-ICN
ICN-HKG-ICN
ICN-GUM-ICN
ICN-FCO-ICN
ICN-IAD-ICN
ICN-YYZ-ICN
 
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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:25 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 28):

According to 2006 summer schedule
ICN-LAX-ICN
ICN-ATL-ICN
ICN-JFK-ICN
ICN-JFK-ICN
ICN-SYD-ICN
ICN-NRT-ICN
GMP-HND-GMP
ICN-KIX-ICN
ICN-NGO-ICN
ICN-BKK-ICN
ICN-CDG-ICN
ICN-FRA-ICN
ICN-LHR-ICN
ICN-TSN-ICN
ICN-HKG-ICN
ICN-GUM-ICN
ICN-FCO-ICN
ICN-IAD-ICN
ICN-YYZ-ICN

I took this photo @ ORD in October of this year....so you can add ORD to the list... Smile

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RE: It Looks Like It's Goodbye To Korean Air's Pas 747

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:38 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 29):
I took this photo @ ORD in October of this year....so you can add ORD to the list...

Nice photo. Where at ORD did you go to get such a good view? Just wondering because I live in the Chicago area.
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